"Starting Strength, Basic Barbell Training" by Rippetoe & Kilgore

brikis98

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Disclaimer: I am not in any way associated with the book/authors/publisher, I'm not trying to sell the book, and I don't profit any way from this. I'm only writing this to bring attention to a great resource for strength training.


My background: I have been lifting consistently for ~4 years and I've spent a massive amount of time researching weight lifting, improving my routine and perfecting my form. I've worked with a number of gym trainers, several competitive lifters, and read a lot online (websites, forums, youtube, etc). I had considered myself pretty damn "informed" and "experienced".

Despite all that, I've learned a TON from reading this book. I honestly think this book should be required reading for anyone that participates in any form of strength training. It should be required to set foot in a gym, either as a member or as a trainer. It should even be required reading before posting on this forum :)

And NO, it's not just for people who are doing Rippetoe's routine (in fact, the "routine" is only briefly mentioned at the very end). The book is actually a general guide to strength training, including clearly written instructions on all the major lifts (with excellent photographs and illustrations) that not only explain how to do the lifts, but also WHY you do it that way. It also discusses why you would do strength training, why certain exercises were chosen, and contains just about everything you'd need for years of effective weight lifting. It appears extremely well researched and has been supported and endorsed by many experts.

I wish I had read this years ago. Even after years of working on my routine and form, I'm now seeing numerous flaws and issues I need to fix. Can't wait to get in the gym and start doing this properly :)
 

MegaVovaN

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Agreed. I am so glad I was advised by forum members here to grab that book before I even signed up for gym!
 

paulxcook

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Yep. I doubt I would've made as much progress as I have without it. There's so much crap information out there that it's hard to know what to believe, but the logic of the book coupled with the endorsement of it by people I respect makes it a solid foundation on which to build my routine. I don't do the vanilla SS progam, but I do use the principles behind it, amd I think I've really benefited from it.
 

gramboh

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Another thumbs up, this book is amazing. The only thing I'd add is that it is a super easy read, with humourous bits thrown in here and there. It's actually enjoyable to read!
 

Kev

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We should rename this forum from AT Health and Fitness to AT Starting Strength
 

brikis98

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actually, if you read my post, I recommend this book not for the starting strength routine, but rather for the instructions on how to do general weight lifting exercises which are applicable to any routine. and if we're going to rename this forum, how about "AT Starting Strength... and a couple of idiots who think they know better".
 

Kev

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I don't recall anyone saying they know better, it just gets tiresome hearing the same thing over and over and over again.
 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: Kev
I don't recall anyone saying they know better, it just gets tiresome hearing the same thing over and over and over again.

Exactly the point I was trying to make in the other thread....but don't worry, you're now doomed. By not mentioning starting strength in a sentence including "was sent to moses from god" or "is the greatest piece of literature in the history of man" or "should be a requirement to post on these forums", you will now be forever labeled as an ignorant fool. Sorry.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Kev
I don't recall anyone saying they know better, it just gets tiresome hearing the same thing over and over and over again.

Exactly the point I was trying to make in the other thread....but don't worry, you're now doomed. By not mentioning starting strength in a sentence including "was sent to moses from god" or "is the greatest piece of literature in the history of man" or "should be a requirement to post on these forums", you will now be forever labeled as an ignorant fool. Sorry.

Well I'm not a follower of that program but that doesn't mean it isn't good, there are just others methods and routines that work as well. I see no problem with people recommending it, I just have to shake my head when I see some guy whose been lifting for 2 or 3 months going on about it like he's some kind of expert. But in this case the OP has some experience and isn't one of these neophytes and his opinion does carry some weight.

 

crt1530

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Originally posted by: Kev
I don't recall anyone saying they know better, it just gets tiresome hearing the same thing over and over and over again.

You know what is tiresome? Having noobs ask the same question over and over and over again and expecting a new and super special routine every time.
 

gramboh

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Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Kev
I don't recall anyone saying they know better, it just gets tiresome hearing the same thing over and over and over again.

Exactly the point I was trying to make in the other thread....but don't worry, you're now doomed. By not mentioning starting strength in a sentence including "was sent to moses from god" or "is the greatest piece of literature in the history of man" or "should be a requirement to post on these forums", you will now be forever labeled as an ignorant fool. Sorry.

You should read Starting Strength!!! The humour that Rippetoe exhibits will help you to craft witty responses in the forum.

Seriously though, the book is good at describing the exercises, I know people get tired of hearing the same thing over and over, but I haven't seen a post yet in this forum where someone has recommended something better to a novice? If there is something better I'd love to hear it, and why.
 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Kev
I don't recall anyone saying they know better, it just gets tiresome hearing the same thing over and over and over again.

Exactly the point I was trying to make in the other thread....but don't worry, you're now doomed. By not mentioning starting strength in a sentence including "was sent to moses from god" or "is the greatest piece of literature in the history of man" or "should be a requirement to post on these forums", you will now be forever labeled as an ignorant fool. Sorry.

Well I'm not a follower of that program but that doesn't mean it isn't good, there are just others methods and routines that work as well. I see no problem with people recommending it, I just have to shake my head when I see some guy whose been lifting for 2 or 3 months going on about it like he's some kind of expert. But in this case the OP has some experience and isn't one of these neophytes and his opinion does carry some weight.

I don't disagree with anything you're saying, nor am I disparraging the OP for making this post. It's just slightly amusing, and irratating, that if you even suggest that there might be other things you can do to build muscle, you're attacked from all angles (see the other post I just replied to about perfect pushups).

Anyway, it's nothing against you, brikis98, or against Starting Strength. Just some of you that need to relax a little bit.
 

coreyb

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The basic lifts are definately the best ways to build strength and power. You don't have to follow the routines outlined in the books though for good results.
 

paulxcook

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Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Kev
I don't recall anyone saying they know better, it just gets tiresome hearing the same thing over and over and over again.

Exactly the point I was trying to make in the other thread....but don't worry, you're now doomed. By not mentioning starting strength in a sentence including "was sent to moses from god" or "is the greatest piece of literature in the history of man" or "should be a requirement to post on these forums", you will now be forever labeled as an ignorant fool. Sorry.

Well I'm not a follower of that program but that doesn't mean it isn't good, there are just others methods and routines that work as well. I see no problem with people recommending it, I just have to shake my head when I see some guy whose been lifting for 2 or 3 months going on about it like he's some kind of expert. But in this case the OP has some experience and isn't one of these neophytes and his opinion does carry some weight.

I don't disagree with anything you're saying, nor am I disparraging the OP for making this post. It's just slightly amusing, and irratating, that if you even suggest that there might be other things you can do to build muscle, you're attacked from all angles (see the other post I just replied to about perfect pushups).

Anyway, it's nothing against you, brikis98, or against Starting Strength. Just some of you that need to relax a little bit.

I don't particularly want to get involved in this as I don't personally follow the SS routine (though I've incorporated many of its principles) anymore, and because I like you Deeko, but in the original thread that started this nonsense you were the one that initiated it all.

Originally posted by: Deeko
Eat more than you do now and lift. You don't have to do the programs everyone here is obsessed with, but it's not a bad idea to look at them to give you an idea of what to do.

I went through my fanboy phase with SS like many others, so I can easily see why the bolded statement would be insulting. I think that's how you meant it, right? That's how it came off.

It IS annoying to have the same questions over and over again, even with the sticky at the top of H&F, and SS IS a good place for the average novice to start. You're suggesting that you were completely blindsided by the Cult of Rippetoe when you only innocently suggested an alternate routine, and that really isn't the case.

That said, it is a little stupid for someone still new to lifting to hand out more advice than they should. I've probably been guilty of this. I try to frame what I say now in the context of "I'm fairly new to this as well, but here's what other more experienced people have taught me" or "here's what has worked for me so far".

Any chance we can lay the hostilities to rest? Deek you've even said you respect the principles behind the SS program, so really there's no reason for either side to continue arguing.
 

EvilYoda

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No, without constant bickering, AT dies a little.

<--Picking up SS after he moves to see what all the fuss is about, along with looking for a place around Tempe that has o-lifting setups.