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Duvie

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Should I go water cooling with the Conroe or will I have issues getting FSB that high without hardmodding a board?...Basically will high end air be as good as I can go without hard-modding a boards FSB???

If not and water cooling is a good route...

Anybody have some favorites??
Will Conroe work with current waterblocks or will I have to wait anyways??

Should I get the water cooler as a separate or a case combo??


Also...

With high FSB what DDR2 are ppl using???
 
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Duvie

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How about you tell me....I dont like that site and the threads get too long with big stoke fest and little substance...Give me the roundup and save me the vomiting!!!!
 
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Personally I'd go air, in order for water to be any better it also has to be alot mroe expensive, and its not like Conroe is throwing out P4 type power, so you don't need water to pull off all the heat like you do on a P4. Also, remember that the FSB is 1066, you'd have to overclock to 1600 FSB in order to take the bandwidth off of dual channel DDR2-800, so if you overcock you can just use DDR-667, run it in dual channel and already have enough bandwidth to fill Conroes FSB even when overclcoked.
 
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Duvie

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Originally posted by: BrownTown
Personally I'd go air, in order for water to be any better it also has to be alot mroe expensive, and its not like Conroe is throwing out P4 type power, so you don't need water to pull off all the heat like you do on a P4. Also, remember that the FSB is 1066, you'd have to overclock to 1600 FSB in order to take the bandwidth off of dual channel DDR2-800, so if you overcock you can just use DDR-667, run it in dual channel and already have enough bandwidth to fill Conroes FSB even when overclcoked.
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YHPM...thanks...
 
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the Chase

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Agree with BrownTown. Cooling doesn't seem like it will be the limiting factor at all with Conroe. Good mobo selecting will be key, of which I don't have much knowledge on the best boards for Conroe.
 
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Duvie

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OK...I was expecting not much real good info on mobos until launch of the conroe....

Give me some good selects on some DDR2....

Out of the gate it will be running just 1 HDD with SATA Raid later....I wont to OC it then compare it to my quad box below and with the quad box hopefully Oc'd to 2.4-2.6ghz range...the chips down below are week 8's of 2006...so they should be good...
 
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stevty2889

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I would probably stick with DDR2-667 and run a divider. Bandwidth won't be as big a deal as it was with netburst. I'll probably go with a 975x chipset motherboard myself, I'm worried the 965 boards will have the overclocking issues that the 945 boards have. I've given up on going for my core duo setup, since the N4L-VM has turned out to be a very poor overclocker, and I'm not spending $300 for the Aopen board.

EDIT: Also, I see no reason to need water cooling. Decent air cooling will be plenty.
 
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thestain

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Come on Duvie.. you either gota hard mod the board or go with AMD... LOL

In regards to memory.. I like the middle ground, but would go with Mushkin..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820146108

Hey did you see where OCZ's new 700W XStream power supply is really the FSP Epsilon 700W.. take a look at the pics of both on NewEgg.

and.. get the 8 gallons of vegetable oil from Toms. and you are good to go, just kidding LOL..

We should know more this week on if AMD is worth staying with.. but it does look like the choices today for Intel are a lot like the choices three years ago were for AMD..

Now.. if AMD announces something neat, like they bumped up K8L by a year.. then maybe.. otherwise.. no need for X6800, E6700 will do great.
 
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ND40oz

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Check out this thread. The third post has a nice chart with processor and memory speeds for the E6600. Don't know which chip you plan on going with, but that's the one I'll be starting my July/Aug build with, that and most likely a new 975 board, unless by some miracle the gigabyte works with conroe.

With DDR2-667, your going to be limited to around 3 gigs with the E6600, I know I plan on taking mine higher then that. From the threads at XS, people are topping out around 3.4~3.5 on air.
 
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Duvie

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I agree with the item in that thread that says we need to look at the effects of 1:1 ram speed and see if it is worth it...Conroe may very well be like AMD and not be starved for bandwidth and thus divders and slower ram speed will have no ill effects...maybe lower speed but tight cas timings will do better...

i will wait for the reviews I guess....


Why I like the price point of the E6600 the 9x multi sucks unless most boards will handle 400 to 400+ fsb....


I have now decided to scrap my second quad box of dual opterons to shoot for a very very fast Conroe setup....The rest I might save for a woodcrest box if they are reasonably priced...
 
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ND40oz

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Originally posted by: Duvie

I have now decided to scrap my second quad box of dual opterons to shoot for a very very fast Conroe setup....The rest I might save for a woodcrest box if they are reasonably priced...
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From the Dell pricing I've seen, Woodcrest is going to be comparably priced with the current dempsey based systems. Hopefully that carries over to the retail market as well, same with FB-dimms, but only time will tell.
 
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Cooler

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Originally posted by: ND40oz
Check out this thread. The third post has a nice chart with processor and memory speeds for the E6600. Don't know which chip you plan on going with, but that's the one I'll be starting my July/Aug build with, that and most likely a new 975 board, unless by some miracle the gigabyte works with conroe.

With DDR2-667, your going to be limited to around 3 gigs with the E6600, I know I plan on taking mine higher then that. From the threads at XS, people are topping out around 3.4~3.5 on air.
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I think top water speed was ~3.7-3.9Ghz
 
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Most DDR2-667 memory can also overclock to 800 easily. That allows for 400x9 = 3600mhz. Should be plenty fast for air cooling. One purpose of overclocking is to save $. Why not also overclock the memory? Given that DDR2-667 is $110 or so for 2 gigs after MIR, unless DDR800 comes down in price and/or these processors overclock beyond 3600, DDR2-667 will probably be enough.

Also I am not sure 6600 is worth the price premium. Usually processors with less cache overclock better. With Conroe, increases in clock speeds might (or might not?) be better than double the cache.

E6600 - 2400mhz - $316 - 41% higher price, but only 13% (even if 4mb cache gives +5% we are looking at 18%) higher performance - bad price/performance ratio
E6400 - 2133mhz - $224

Hopefully 6600 can overclock much better than 6400, or it's not looking like the better value, especially since $100 can be put towards G80 :)

 
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thestain

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Off Topic, in response to the Russian Sensation:

$316 is not cheap enough for you?

If you are going to go the cheap route, you might as well go for the Pentium D 805.

I have not seen any test of the E6400, but my guess is they will not perform as closely to the E6600 as you think.. better wait for some reviews before you go to cheap.

The Stain
 
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the Chase

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Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Most DDR2-667 memory can also overclock to 800 easily. That allows for 400x9 = 3600mhz. Should be plenty fast for air cooling. One purpose of overclocking is to save $. Why not also overclock the memory? Given that DDR2-667 is $110 or so for 2 gigs after MIR, unless DDR800 comes down in price and/or these processors overclock beyond 3600, DDR2-667 will probably be enough.

Also I am not sure 6600 is worth the price premium. Usually processors with less cache overclock better. With Conroe, increases in clock speeds might (or might not?) be better than double the cache.

E6600 - 2400mhz - $316 - 41% higher price, but only 13% (even if 4mb cache gives +5% we are looking at 18%) higher performance - bad price/performance ratio
E6400 - 2133mhz - $224

Hopefully 6600 can overclock much better than 6400, or it's not looking like the better value, especially since $100 can be put towards G80 :)
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Also have to weigh in memory savings for the higher multiplier. The more I read it looks like Conroe is going to want it's memory at 1:1 or even 4:5 (memory running faster than CPU bus). So the higher multi might allow you to use some cheaper DDR2800 memory or good DDR2667 and still manage 1:1 memory speed at maximum overclocks. (And still keep some decent timings).

I guess it also depends on what most chips top out at if the higher multi is really needed or if mobos can hit high enough speeds to max out either chip. Sorry I'm stating/restating the obvious here...
 
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