Starting at a Gym tonight

Falloutboy

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couple weeks ago I started down a road to lose weight finally and get in shape for the first time in my life. Started with my diet, which I think i've got under control it ain't perfect but its vastly better than what I used to eat. Currently I'm 6ft 1in and weigh 280 Below is a Sample Day of the diet basically 3 snacks thru the day and a good lunch and dinner

Orange for Breakfast 100ish cals
Tuna Salad Sandwhich on a whole wheat bun for Lunch 500ish cals (big sandwich)
Apple Mid Afternoon 100 cals
Chicken Stirfry for Dinner 800 Cals
Granola bar after I get out of work around midnight 100 cals (I don't sleep till 3am since i'm on seconds)

been sticking to 1600-1800 cals a day, with maybe a bit more on Sat and Sun if I go out drinking with friends.

joined a gym I've been looking at on my way to work today an going in after work to start. my current though is just get started with 30-45min of just straight cardio 3 times a week (Bike) but also know I don't want to lose muscle mass atleast, gaining a bit of upper body strength would be nice though. Anyone have a basic 3 day a week routine to get me started with? or have any thoughts?
 

KoolDrew

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Are you actually keeping track of calories or are you just kind of estimating?

Anyone have a basic 3 day a week routine to get me started with?
Try this:

Workout A
3x5 Squat
3x5 Bench Press
1x5 Deadlift

Workout B
3x5 Squat
3x5 Standing military press
3x5 Pendlay Rows

You would train on 3 non-consecutive days per week.

Week 1:
Monday - Workout A
Wednesday - Workout B
Friday - Workout A

Week 2:
Monday - Workout B
Wednesday - Workout A
Friday - Workout B

Repeat switching between both workouts.
 

TallBill

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1600-1800 cals is probably way to low.

If you don't want to do starting strength, they you could try this fairly simple 3 day split. Just choose 4-6 exercises from the pool and do 3 sets of 8-10 reps:

Day 1 - Chest + Triceps (must do at least one form of bench)
Flat bench (db or bb)
Incline bench (db or bb)
Dips
Tricep Pushdowns
Flyes
Bench Dips
Db Pullovers
Pushups
Skull Crushers


Day 2 - Back + Biceps
Deadlift (This is a must, no skipping)
Db Rows
Yates Row
Lat pushdowns
Hammer Curl
BB curls
Pullups (pronated or supinated)
T-Bar rows

Day 3 - Legs + Shoulders
Squat (required)
Step ups
Lunges
Leg curls
Overhead Press


The advantage to something like this is that you'll learn a lot about a lot of different exercises real fast. The disadvantage is that you won't know how to process all of the information, and it's not as structured as a program like starting strength. Eventually you probably wont want to deadlift and squat within days of each other. But starting out, the shock wont be so huge on your body.
 

MetalMat

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Originally posted by: TallBill
1600-1800 cals is probably way to low.

If you don't want to do starting strength, they you could try this fairly simple 3 day split. Just choose 4-6 exercises from the pool and do 3 sets of 8-10 reps:

Day 1 - Chest + Triceps (must do at least one form of bench)
Flat bench (db or bb)
Incline bench (db or bb)
Dips
Tricep Pushdowns
Flyes
Bench Dips
Db Pullovers
Pushups
Skull Crushers


Day 2 - Back + Biceps
Deadlift (This is a must, no skipping)
Db Rows
Yates Row
Lat pushdowns
Hammer Curl
BB curls
Pullups (pronated or supinated)
T-Bar rows

Day 3 - Legs + Shoulders
Squat (required)
Step ups
Lunges
Leg curls
Overhead Press


The advantage to something like this is that you'll learn a lot about a lot of different exercises real fast. The disadvantage is that you won't know how to process all of the information, and it's not as structured as a program like starting strength. Eventually you probably wont want to deadlift and squat within days of each other. But starting out, the shock wont be so huge on your body.

For shoulders you might want to add another exercise or two no? Like shrugs? Also dont forget to do some abs. And yes, 1600-1800 calories is too low pops.
 

Turkish

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Don't get me wrong but your diet is not well planned. I am no Christian Bale myself but I have had my times of bulking, cutting, etc and if I know one thing for sure, a light breakfast + heavy dinner is the complete opposite of what you should be doing.

Good luck.
 

Falloutboy

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Originally posted by: Turkish
Don't get me wrong but your diet is not well planned. I am no Christian Bale myself but I have had my times of bulking, cutting, etc and if I know one thing for sure, a light breakfast + heavy dinner is the complete opposite of what you should be doing.

Good luck.
hehe little changes lol, i've always been the type to NEVER eat breakfast, and if I did it was really just inplace of lunch. Basically I took my current eating schedule and made it more healthy. I work second shift so typically I wake up at around 10-11 am and go to bed around 3-4am. but yeah I'll look into incorporating some type of breakfast into it.

also why is 1600-1800 to low i'm looking to lose weight that puts me at about a 1000 calorie deficit combine that with working out and it should put me at 2-3 pounds lost per week. Calories are a bit of an estimate because I don't have the ability to weigh the food, but I'm off by 50-100 calories on dinner or lunch at most and I usually estimate toward counting too many. Yesterday was actually much less cals for me. had an apple for breakfast then was cooking a stir fry I was going to just reheat at dinner, it looked quite big (added more veggies to my recipe) so I took about a 1/3 of it for lunch and the rest for dinner. had a granola bar mid afternoon, and was going to eat another small snack after dinner, but lost track of time talking on the phone and just went to sleep without it. only ate about 1200 yesterday. I'm using daily plate to track my cals as well, but gets a little trick on meals I've cooked myself but I give it my best estimate.

Its actually working quite well so far, usually get hungry mid afternoon and after work which is when I eat a small snack but besides that rarely hungry. been on this for over a week and allowed myself a cheat day sunday to go eat some pizza with a friend (still only ate 2 slices 2 breadsticks and 3 beers according to dailyplate still only ate 2200 that day)

did go to the gym last night, started just with cardio and did 45min on the bike.

 

Redfraggle

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It's not simply calories that matter. What you are getting in those calories matters a lot. Since it sounds like you really aren't too sure, and haven't had a lot of success in the past, I'd highly suggest seeing a registered dietician/nutritionist for advice and help. If you are actually dedicated to getting healthy, this is the best way to go. We can all tell you what's worked for us and what hasn't, but we aren't you -- we don't have your lifestyle, metabolism, health level, strengths/weaknesses. I'm a relatively petite female (I'm only 5'4"ish) and I need more calories than that in a day. When I am not working out a lot (healing from injury for example) what you listed is about the number of calories I'd eat. However, I know how to create a variety of foods for health and fullness.
 

KoolDrew

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If you don't want to do starting strength, they you could try this fairly simple 3 day split. Just choose 4-6 exercises from the pool and do 3 sets of 8-10 reps:

Day 1 - Chest + Triceps (must do at least one form of bench)
Flat bench (db or bb)
Incline bench (db or bb)
Dips
Tricep Pushdowns
Flyes
Bench Dips
Db Pullovers
Pushups
Skull Crushers


Day 2 - Back + Biceps
Deadlift (This is a must, no skipping)
Db Rows
Yates Row
Lat pushdowns
Hammer Curl
BB curls
Pullups (pronated or supinated)
T-Bar rows

Day 3 - Legs + Shoulders
Squat (required)
Step ups
Lunges
Leg curls
Overhead Press


The advantage to something like this is that you'll learn a lot about a lot of different exercises real fast. The disadvantage is that you won't know how to process all of the information, and it's not as structured as a program like starting strength. Eventually you probably wont want to deadlift and squat within days of each other. But starting out, the shock wont be so huge on your body.

When I first looked at this routine I was going to say something along the lines of it being way too much volume and then I noticed you said "choose 4-6 exercises..."

Personally, I've always prefered full body workouts for beginners. Whether it be something like Starting Strength or a full body routine very similiar but with a few extra movements and repeated 3x a week. The concentration as a novice will be mostly form work anyway, so I tend to recommend them doing key movements more frequently as opposed to a split. For example, with the routine you posted he would only be squatting on four seperate workouts in a month. Following Starting Strength or something similiar it would be 12.

Beginners that I personally deal with I ussually recommend something along the lines of what Lyle McDonald recommends for beginners:

so a basic routine might be
back squat: 5 sets of 5
rdl (or leg curl): 2 sets of 5 or 6-8
bench press: 5 sets of 5
deadlift: 3 sets of 5 (1 heavy set). put cable row here if desired.
overhead press: 1-2X5 or 6-8
arms: 1X8-10 each
abs/low back: 1-2X8-10 each

the goal starting out should be on form over weight. So start light, get form right and add weight gradually, there's no hurry and learning good form upfront pays massive dividendds down the road. on the movements calling for 5X5, I like an ascending pyramid. start light and add 5-10 lbs/set but only if form stays solid. so first workout for back squats, you might go 45, 55, 65, 75, 85. or you might go 45,55,65,65,65 if your form gets sloppy. at the next workout, start heavier on the first set and work up again.

on the 6-8 stuff, pick a moderate weight. when you can do 2 sets of 8 easily, add a little bit of weight.

I tend to lean towards this a bit more since you are doing every exercise 3x a week, giving you plenty of practice, whereas with Starting Strength you deadlift 3x over a two week period. An individual would likely progress longer using Starting Strength and that's why I generally lean towards that method on online forums and there's a ton of info on the web on what to do if you hit a plateu, what to do afterwards, etc. For people I help personally I'll approach it a bit differently.

also why is 1600-1800 to low i'm looking to lose weight that puts me at about a 1000 calorie deficit combine that with working out and it should put me at 2-3 pounds lost per week.

At your weight losing 2-3 pounds a week will likely be alright, but keep in mind that later down the road I wouldn't suggest losing much more than a pound a week. As you get leaner lean body mass loss becomes more of a problem as well as hunger so you wouldn't want as much of a deficit. I would probably start with around 2800-3000 calories and see where it gets you. With an increase in activity and the weight you're at now I think you'd be surprised.

Also, make sure you are getting enough protein as well. Extra protein will help blunt hunger as well as help you maintain lean body mass. I would aim for 1g/lb of LBM. Lean body mass would be determined by your total weight - body fat in pounds. If you don't know your bodyfat percentage just use a calculator like http://www.freeweightloss.com/calculator1.html. It won't be accurate, but it'll give you a general idea.

Calories are a bit of an estimate because I don't have the ability to weigh the food

Go buy a digital scale.

Besides that I would just recommend keeping track of weight and waist measurements on a weekly basis to keep track of progress and make adjustments when needed.
 

Falloutboy

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yeah I agree with the calorie deficit I'm running I do run a risk of losing some muscle mass from my read, i've been getting alot of protein but don't think I"m getting the 1g per LBM, been averaging 100g a day in protein (alot of chicken and fish). just trying to take one change at a time, current plan I'm going with is going to the gym 2-3 more times this week and just continue with straight cardio (45min of bike and I was spent last night, best sleep i've had in a while though which is awsome) next week i'll start on lifting. I'm on a free week at the gym I'm thinking about, looking at the excersizes listed most of these are free lifts, unfortionally the gym i'm going to atm is rather small and only has machines and dumb bells. would the machine equiv to these be sufficent?

Workout A 3x5 Squat 3x5 Bench Press 1x5 Deadlift Workout B 3x5 Squat 3x5 Standing military press 3x5 Pendlay Rows You would train on 3 non-consecutive days per week. Week 1: Monday - Workout A Wednesday - Workout B Friday - Workout A Week 2: Monday - Workout B Wednesday - Workout A Friday - Workout B Repeat switching between both workouts.

this seems simple enough to be a good start for me but also not sure if the free weights are required.
 

brikis98

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Originally posted by: Falloutboy
i've been getting alot of protein but don't think I"m getting the 1g per LBM, been averaging 100g a day in protein (alot of chicken and fish).
100g a day for someone who is 280lbs is very low. In fact, if you are on a caloric deficit and exercising a lot, your protein needs are significantly higher than the average individual and 100g is no where near what you need. You'll want to double this number, if not more, and get yourself as close as possible to ~1g per pound of LBM. If you start weight training in addition to everything else, ~1g per pound of bodyweight may give even better results. It's tough, but the diet choices you make to get there are likely to be very beneficial. You can also checkout this thread of low calorie, high protein foods.

Originally posted by: Falloutboy
unfortionally the gym i'm going to atm is rather small and only has machines and dumb bells. would the machine equiv to these be sufficent?

Workout A 3x5 Squat 3x5 Bench Press 1x5 Deadlift Workout B 3x5 Squat 3x5 Standing military press 3x5 Pendlay Rows You would train on 3 non-consecutive days per week. Week 1: Monday - Workout A Wednesday - Workout B Friday - Workout A Week 2: Monday - Workout B Wednesday - Workout A Friday - Workout B Repeat switching between both workouts.

this seems simple enough to be a good start for me but also not sure if the free weights are required.
Free weights are essential for this workout program. In fact, free weights are the way to go for ANY good resistance training program. The machine versions are not even close and should be avoided. You can do many exercises using dumbbells, especially while the weight is still low, but eventually, you'll need access to a barbell and a squat rack.
 

Falloutboy

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Free weights are essential for this workout program. In fact, free weights are the way to go for ANY good resistance training program. The machine versions are not even close and should be avoided. You can do many exercises using dumbbells, especially while the weight is still low, but eventually, you'll need access to a barbell and a squat rack.

thats what I figured.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: brikis98

Free weights are essential for this workout program. In fact, free weights are the way to go for ANY good resistance training program. The machine versions are not even close and should be avoided. You can do many exercises using dumbbells, especially while the weight is still low, but eventually, you'll need access to a barbell and a squat rack.

Yeah, free weights > machine. There are a few cases were cables can be highly effective, but that's a whole different ball game.
 

brikis98

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: brikis98

Free weights are essential for this workout program. In fact, free weights are the way to go for ANY good resistance training program. The machine versions are not even close and should be avoided. You can do many exercises using dumbbells, especially while the weight is still low, but eventually, you'll need access to a barbell and a squat rack.

Yeah, free weights > machine. There are a few cases were cables can be highly effective, but that's a whole different ball game.

In fact, I'd expand that to:

Barbells, dumbbells, kettlebells, body weight exercises (gymnastics), plyometrics >> machines.
 

Falloutboy

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so using that thought, this gym I joined i'm on a free week, if all they have is machines and dumbells, if I took my 150 bucks (what I would spend for 3 months including enrollment and jazz) got a free bike from my dad (real nice 1000 dollar job he got when he was rehabing his hip) then spend 150 on a used weight set off craigs list(not sure what it would cost but figure I could get something decent for that) would that be sufficent? I have an extra room in my house that I was planning on using as an office but could use as a combo room with some equipment. what would be the bare min I should be looking to get with a basic weight set?
 

brikis98

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Originally posted by: Falloutboy
so using that thought, this gym I joined i'm on a free week, if all they have is machines and dumbells, if I took my 150 bucks (what I would spend for 3 months including enrollment and jazz) got a free bike from my dad (real nice 1000 dollar job he got when he was rehabing his hip) then spend 150 on a used weight set off craigs list(not sure what it would cost but figure I could get something decent for that) would that be sufficent? I have an extra room in my house that I was planning on using as an office but could use as a combo room with some equipment. what would be the bare min I should be looking to get with a basic weight set?

The bare minimum for one of these routines includes:

1. A power rack: needs to be sturdy. Pull-up bars at the top is a plus.
2. Bench: needs to be sturdy.
3. Barbell: get the olympic variety, 7 feet long, 45lbs.
4. Weights: get the olympic variety so they fit on the bar. At very the least, get a set that includes 2x45, 2x25, 2x10, 2x5 and 2x2.5. As you get stronger, you can buy more down the road. If you're strong already, another pair of 45's may be a good idea.

Even on craigslist, it might be tough to find all that for $150. If you can afford a gym membership, it's usually a better investment. It depends on the prices in your area, but I can get a membership near me for $30 a month or $360 a year - just a little more than the $300 you are planning to spend (which, as I said, would probably not be enough). Over multiple years, of course, you continue to spend, but gym memberships have numerous advantages, including access to more equipment (especially dumbbells), nicer equipment, and not having to worry about maintenance.
 

Falloutboy

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ok going to adjust my diet to include a protien shake after I workout at night I think, and then swaping my normal "breakfast snack" for either a more traditional high protien breakfast or another shake, anyone have a lowcost halfway decent tasting lowcarb high protien shake recipe?
 

KoolDrew

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On a diet it is preferable to get most of your protein from whole foods rather than supplements. The main reason being you will feel full much longer. Eat more lean beef, chicken, fish, eggs, etc.
 
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Originally posted by: KoolDrew
On a diet it is preferable to get most of your protein from whole foods rather than supplements. The main reason being you will feel full much longer. Eat more lean beef, chicken, fish, eggs, etc.

This information will keep you from starving yourself, I guarantee it. The only time a protein supplement really "needs" to be using is during a bulking period. Sometimes it's hard to get enough calories in without making yourself sick. That's where liquid calories (ie protein shake) come in to help with the job.