Starting a new Draft - Your Thoughts?

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Lately I've been hearing a lot of sentiment on the media and even this forum on imposing a new draft in America for the upcoming conflict in Iraq, or whatever other future conflict that we will face. Most of the people who are for the draft are either old ("kids these days need to learn honor and respect!") or otherwise unfit to serve in the event of a draft taking place. I know that sounds like a blanket statement, but all the opinions I ever hear about the people who would qualify for the draft are the same crap: kids don't know no respect, getting their heads blown off in a desert would learn them good!

Being a 19 year old male who can run more than 20 feet without collapsing and is able to see his feet, I would probably be one of the first people out there if a draft was called. I'm more than happy to serve my country but being forced to is a completely different story. I only have a limited scope of history right now, but I imagine morale was pretty low in the Vietnam conflict. Being forced away from home to die in a jungle for seemingly no reason doesn't seem like a good way to fight a war. During World War 2 there wasn't a draft that I know of and from what I read about it the war was won largely because of our valiant soldiers, seamen and airmen (well airmen were soldiers back then too but you know what I mean). Having a voluntary force seems like a much more effective way of fighting a war. I think that every soldier in Vietnam was just as courageous, my dad served, but he volunteered to fight, and today has no regrets or bitterness about being involved.

So then why do people think that a draft would be a good idea? I think a better idea - if we actually needed more enlistees - would to be just to pump up the media and offer incentives to potential recruits. Give them something to feel patriotic about instead of forcing them off to war where they would probably just become embittered, if they survived.

One last thing before I'm done rambling; I also have been reading about people who think mandatory service for young people would be a good idea. I kind of sort of agree, but mandatory service is different from a draft and I think they should be considered as seperate logic. Putting every kid through boot camp just raises the same issues that I talked about earlier though, for the kid who just turned 18 and graduated high school to be put through an 8 week camp involuntary is the same as throwing him in jail - nobody really benefits and you'll more than likely have a pissed off kid who won't want to have anything to do with the military in the situation that we need more soldiers.



 

ROTC1983

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I pretty much agree with everything you have to say. Dragging people into war is different then someone voluntarily fighting for the country. Still, if you were drafted, would you go?
 

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I'm a right-wing extremist.. and I don't believe in a draft or mandatory military service. While I do believe that military service would be good for many people, it should not be compulsatory.. that is not what this country is about.

But, that doesn't really matter. There is more than enough volunteers in the military to take care of Iraq many times over.
 

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Originally posted by: ROTC1983
I pretty much agree with everything you have to say. Dragging people into war is different then someone voluntarily fighting for the country. Still, if you were drafted, would you go?

Well I would be pretty pissed if they called me in before I was commissioned, but with the way the law is, what else could I do but go? It's either that or jail and I'd rather be shot than raped.
 

LAUST

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I thought we had TONS of people in the Military? Why do we need to draft?
 

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Originally posted by: Crimson
I'm a right-wing extremist.. and I don't believe in a draft or mandatory military service. While I do believe that military service would be good for many people, it should not be compulsatory.. that is not what this country is about.

But, that doesn't really matter. There is more than enough volunteers in the military to take care of Iraq many times over.

It isn't Iraq I'm concerned about, its the fact that if people are in favor of a draft for something as relatively small as a war with Iraq. What if something larger happens? I believe the draft should be an unpopular, last ditch option, ranking up there with shooting a nuke. I believe that a voluntary soldier makes a commitment and understands that he could die for his country, which is a belief many people are proud to serve under. But if the soldier was someone forced into the situation and didn't believe this condition, then I think it's as bad as mandatory prison time.
 

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Originally posted by: LAUST
I thought we had TONS of people in the Military? Why do we need to draft?

This is just in response to what I've been hearing on the media and in a few threads here. Wasn't really touching on why we would need a draft this instant, just more on the issues that arise from starting such an action in the event that it is needed.
 

Kadarin

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I'm past the required age bracket, but if I were drafted, I would go. However, I believe the draft should be reserved for times of dire national need, as if the US itself was threatened and an increase in military manpower would be necessary to combat the threat. On the other hand, invoking the draft when it's not absolutely needed would be wrong.

World War II was different in that the Japanese Empire declared war on us by desroying our Pacific fleet. When someone attacks your home, you have a tendency to take it personally. Hitler's Germany, on the other hand, was a clear threat to the entire world in ways that Japan never was, and that was not lost on the American people either.
 

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I do not agree with a draft at all. This is why. If a war is just and a country is fair, then enough people will go. Taking a look at the united states we have neither of those things, yet we have 250.000 people going, just imagine if we had a real war to fight. Also, this is a supposedly "free" country. Therefore the citizens should be able to choose if they want to go or not. Another thing is that how well would people fight that do not believe in the war or did not want to go.

Tim
 

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Originally posted by: TheShiz
I do not agree with a draft at all. This is why. If a war is just and a country is fair, then enough people will go. Taking a look at the united states we have neither of those things, yet we have 250.000 people going, just imagine if we had a real war to fight. Also, this is a supposedly "free" country. Therefore the citizens should be able to choose if they want to go or not. Another thing is that how well would people fight that do not believe in the war or did not want to go.

Tim

in a real conflict against an opponent of equal power, people SHOULD feel patriotic and volunteer, but if they don't, i feel the country has the right to ask its citizens to stand up and defend its flag and sovreignty.
 

hans007

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i think a draft is stupid.


i would serve my country. if it was for a reason that made any sense. basically forcing our will on a sovereign nation is not a good reason. operation invasion iraq which is what this is, is not a good reason. its the same reason people hated the draft for vietnam.


if iraq was ATTACKING us, then yeah sure, why not, its my country. but this administration we have in office are just a bunch of warmongering fools.



if i was drafted, i'd probably end up making sure the computers work, even though i can run damn fast, and am in great shape. so yeah it'd be pretty safe for me i'm pretty sure.
 

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Instituting a draft has become more and more unlikely with the permation of technology to the common soldier. The amount of training required to use many of the weapons today can't be taught in an 8 eight week basic training course. Also, the US Army is large enough that a draft seems very unlikely.
 

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I just don't understand WHY people think we need a draft. We can kick the crap out of Iraq without much effort. There is absolutely no reason we need a draft. Wars are no longer won by the countries with the most soldiers. They are won with technology and intelligence.
 

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I'm sorry but I would not fight for a country that forced me to. Not to mention a draft would take a big ol' crap on the 13th amendment.
 

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Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
I'm sorry but I would not fight for a country that forced me to. Not to mention a draft would take a big ol' crap on the 13th amendment.

But it's happened before, precedence would mean that it could be re-enacted in the future.
 

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Originally posted by: Zugzwang152
Originally posted by: TheShiz
I do not agree with a draft at all. This is why. If a war is just and a country is fair, then enough people will go. Taking a look at the united states we have neither of those things, yet we have 250.000 people going, just imagine if we had a real war to fight. Also, this is a supposedly "free" country. Therefore the citizens should be able to choose if they want to go or not. Another thing is that how well would people fight that do not believe in the war or did not want to go.

Tim

in a real conflict against an opponent of equal power, people SHOULD feel patriotic and volunteer, but if they don't, i feel the country has the right to ask its citizens to stand up and defend its flag and sovreignty.


the citizens ARE the county, asshat. if they don't want to go, the remaining people and political elite have no right to force them.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: LAUST
I thought we had TONS of people in the Military? Why do we need to draft?

We really dont need a draft, we could use more recruiting to increase numbers. Last week the Marines stopped letting people out(forcing people to stay beyond their initial commitment).
 

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: LAUST
I thought we had TONS of people in the Military? Why do we need to draft?

We really dont need a draft, we could use more recruiting to increase numbers. Last week the Marines stopped letting people out(forcing people to stay beyond their initial commitment).

More recruiting? Blah, the one recruiter I talked to I ended up telling him to sh!t in a hat. What a jackass that guy was. "Did you know that the military will pay for your college?" No, I only hear it 10 times a day on television. If I wanted to go into the military, I would do it. I don't need people calling my house telling me about the benefits of the armed forces.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Beast1284
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: LAUST
I thought we had TONS of people in the Military? Why do we need to draft?

We really dont need a draft, we could use more recruiting to increase numbers. Last week the Marines stopped letting people out(forcing people to stay beyond their initial commitment).

More recruiting? Blah, the one recruiter I talked to I ended up telling him to sh!t in a hat. What a jackass that guy was. "Did you know that the military will pay for your college?" No, I only hear it 10 times a day on television. If I wanted to go into the military, I would do it. I don't need people calling my house telling me about the benefits of the armed forces.

It will pass in a few years. I probably got about a dozen calls between ages of 18-22.
 

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Originally posted by: Beast1284
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: LAUST
I thought we had TONS of people in the Military? Why do we need to draft?

We really dont need a draft, we could use more recruiting to increase numbers. Last week the Marines stopped letting people out(forcing people to stay beyond their initial commitment).

More recruiting? Blah, the one recruiter I talked to I ended up telling him to sh!t in a hat. What a jackass that guy was. "Did you know that the military will pay for your college?" No, I only hear it 10 times a day on television. If I wanted to go into the military, I would do it. I don't need people calling my house telling me about the benefits of the armed forces.

Yeah, but did you know they also paid for college?

 

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"if i was drafted, i'd probably end up making sure the computers work, even though i can run damn fast, and am in great shape. so yeah it'd be pretty safe for me i'm pretty sure. "

Wrong my good friend..

If there is and ever will be the need for a draft, you will have no say in the matter on what you do. You will be drafted, and placed by the "needs of the military"... If you volunteer, and enlist.. then yes, you can pick the job you want.. if the jobs are available.. but with a draft, its not your call