Stark Reality for the GOP

[UberNeuman]

Ain't it a bitch?

The bubble that's been constructed to allow a false sense of what's right, ends up being a signal of sound and fury and nothing else....

\gop - take your party back....
\\make it a party worthy of votes....

 

[Moonbeam]

As I see it, the tremendous insanity of conservatives that we see in today's Republican party, thwarted by the bursting of their alternate reality and it's failure to persuade more ordinary people to vote for Romney may turn from the rage we see against Obama into genuine panic and fear. I think we are in for a spate of folk who are sure they are being probed by aliens and you don't have to be a mental case yourself to be affected by it. We could be in for some mass hysteria.

 

[UberNeuman]

As I see it, the tremendous insanity of conservatives that we see in today's Republican party, thwarted by the bursting of their alternate reality and it's failure to persuade more ordinary people to vote for Romney may turn from the rage we see against Obama into genuine panic and fear. I think we are in for a spate of folk who are sure they are being probed by aliens and you don't have to be a mental case yourself to be affected by it. We could be in for some mass hysteria.

and I have no doubt that this can or will happen - birth is a painful process...

 

[trenchfoot]

Might be too soon to say, but the current trend speaks to the notion that the filibustering, obstruction, hostage taking and all of those other nation wrecking self-serving acts the Repubs committed to deny Obama a second term isn't going to do what the Repubs had hoped for. The masses have wised up and have taken notice how far down the shitter the Repubs were willing to take the nation just to deny Obama a second term.

Along with that, the common folk have also noticed what's really in store for them should Romney and Ryan scam their way into the White House: even lower taxes for the "job creators" *urp*, deregulate every law possible that protects us from nefarious predatory business practices, kill every union on American soil ala Gov. Walker style legislative backstabbing tactics, privatizing for profit every social safety net program ever put into law and legislate religious beliefs into law thus denying women their right to control their own bodies, all at the expense of the "useless, irresponsible 47%".

 

[shortylickens]

Get rid of the fucking christian zealots. That solves about 3/4 of their problems right there.

 

[Moonbeam]

Get rid of the fucking christian zealots. That solves about 3/4 of their problems right there.

My dear friend, the Germans tried that. It wasn't nice. It turned out to be just another form of zealotry. It would be much easier, I think, to try to convert them to Christianity. The origin of madness is fear, the attempt by the body to repress all feeling, to focus the mind down to a single effort at fight or flight. The amorphous anxiety and we see in our society and the world is the result of the accumulation of unconscious guilt, the feeling acquired in childhood that we are evil and undeserving.

That is the feeling we must feel to regain our mental health and that is the feeling when we repress it, that causes our madness. And that feeling is touched off every time we run into some life experience that unconsciously reminds us of some childhood trauma. We do not want to feel the horror of worthlessness and guilt. It was for this reason that Christ died for us on the Cross, so that we could see our inner condition, so that we could know that there was never any guilt but the lie we were given, that we have been forgiven. The ego is the armor we create to tell us we are OK, a false and vain self representation, the denial of the truth of what we feel. But:

Did you but suffer you would not suffer. A saying attributed to Christ.

We were crucified and we can arise from the dead. The process of feeling our true grief is the path to healing. Within you is the Divine Being who loves you more than your ego ever could. There is only love for those who awaken.

 

[ky54]

The conservatives in both parties (yes, Virgina, there are conservative Democrats but they're not allowed a voice) will control the outcome of this election. I wonder how many on the radicalized left that runs the DNC will still be on board the USS Obama when the long-term tax and regulation bomb that's about to hit and keep hitting? I wonder as record amounts of small businesses, the core of this country, go belly-up and unemployment hits critical levels will we still be treated to the Pavlov-dog-bell-ringing salivation each time the words "hope and change" are muttered? Or what will the reaction be a couple of years from now when the full weight of Obama's failures sink in? Or when the middle east goes up in flames and there's no one there to stop the Russians (read up folks) from seizing the lion's share? Will we still be treated to the dull-eyed monotone same old sing song that it's all Bush's fault?

My pragmatic side tells me we need to change course but the sadistic side tells me what it fun it will be listening to all the teeth-gnashing from the left when, in 4 years from, none of their dreams came true and America survived. I'm still on the fence on that.

 

[lotus503]

The conservatives in both parties (yes, Virgina, there are conservative Democrats but they're not allowed a voice) will control the outcome of this election. I wonder how many on the radicalized left that runs the DNC will still be on board the USS Obama when the long-term tax and regulation bomb that's about to hit and keep hitting? I wonder as record amounts of small businesses, the core of this country, go belly-up and unemployment hits critical levels will we still be treated to the Pavlov-dog-bell-ringing salivation each time the words "hope and change" are muttered? Or what will the reaction be a couple of years from now when the full weight of Obama's failures sink in? Or when the middle east goes up in flames and there's no one there to stop the Russians (read up folks) from seizing the lion's share? Will we still be treated to the dull-eyed monotone same old sing song that it's all Bush's fault?

My pragmatic side tells me we need to change course but the sadistic side tells me what it fun it will be listening to all the teeth-gnashing from the left when, in 4 years from, none of their dreams came true and America survived. I'm still on the fence on that.

Easy to say when you have a record number of filibusters. I'm getting tired of the GOP lighting a fire keeping a steady stream of gas on it, then complaining its not being put out fast enough.

All I hear from the right is complaining, no solutions at all. Other than more of the same shit that got us into this mess.

Sooner we admit as a nation supply side Econ is a failure the sooner we can dig our way out.

 

[ky54]

Easy to say when you have a record number of filibusters. I'm getting tired of the GOP lighting a fire keeping a steady stream of gas on it, then complaining its not being put out fast enough.

All I hear from the right is complaining, no solutions at all. Other than more of the same shit that got us into this mess.

Sooner we admit as a nation supply side Econ is a failure the sooner we can dig our way out.

The next time we try it let me know. As we have seen we are now in the age of redistribution and all is going as planned. The people are dispirited, the country is a mess, and our standing is lower than Al Qaeda.

Yes, 4 more years of this should bury liberalism/socialism forever... at least in this country.

 

[Arkaign]

The next time we try it let me know. As we have seen we are now in the age of redistribution and all is going as planned. The people are dispirited, the country is a mess, and our standing is lower than Al Qaeda.

Yes, 4 more years of this should bury liberalism/socialism forever... at least in this country.

Hahahaha, allllll-righty dude

Our tax system is not really set up for more "redistribution" than before. In fact, taxes are lower than in Reagan's era, to say nothing of Eisenhower's heyday. This is particularly true for the very rich, and those able to earn their incomes at the 15% or lower rates compared to the up to 35% rate that the middle-class earn.

You can argue that spending is high, and that's certainly true, but with unfinanced wars and socialism (Medicare Part D!) during Bush's 8 years, one can't really point to either party and say convincingly that they have a grasp on balancing budgets.

As for your last line, I think you're on drugs. Only people who are completely twisted by partisan hackery think that way. It's really the same way it's always been, and the wise men see this instead :

Seriously man, just look at the money men who pull the strings. They're interchangable with any POTUS/Administration. Plug and play corruption baby! Cash is KING.

 

[nehalem256]

Hahahaha, allllll-righty dude

Our tax system is not really set up for more "redistribution" than before. In fact, taxes are lower than in Reagan's era, to say nothing of Eisenhower's heyday. This is particularly true for the very rich, and those able to earn their incomes at the 15% or lower rates compared to the up to 35% rate that the middle-class earn.

You do realize that 35% rate kicks in at $388,000 right? Even Mitt Romney does not think that is middle class.

And congratulations on once again not understanding the difference between capital gains and earned income.

 

[Agent11]

Both parties spend money like drunken sailors true, but it was the Republican appointed justices that gave us citizens united though. You cannot say that both parties are equivalents.

 

[lotus503]

Both parties spend money like drunken sailors true, but it was the Republican appointed justices that gave us citizens united though. You cannot say that both parties are equivalents.

Yup and it's that decision that is driving me to vote Obama, who I actually dislike, had huntsman been in the race I probably would have voted for him.

The GOP and its base are so batshit crazy they can't be trusted with anything, ever!

 

[nehalem256]

Yup and it's that decision that is driving me to vote Obama, who I actually dislike, had huntsman been in the race I probably would have voted for him.

The GOP and its base are so batshit crazy they can't be trusted with anything, ever!

And which part of the Democrat base do you trust?

 

[lotus503]

And which part of the Democrat base do you trust?

I think a substantial portion of the dem base is ignorant, especially in regards to fiscal issues, politicians are as well.

However my life experience in dealing with both sides I find the GOP base and it's politicians far more intellectually dishonest, outright liars and generally the type of people that want to hold the country back.

Take you for example, you use this forum yet add little to no value to it whatsoever, intellectually dishonest, misogynistic and all around douche.

I find more compassion for the fellow man from the left, which allows me to look past their ignorance to a point.

 

[Arkaign]

You do realize that 35% rate kicks in at $388,000 right? Even Mitt Romney does not think that is middle class.

And congratulations on once again not understanding the difference between capital gains and earned income.

Oh, I know the difference between capital gains and "earned" income, but the fact of the matter is that many of the very rich are able to make their income exclusively at the CG rates rather than earned income. I can't say I blame them, the way it's set up.

As you seem like you might be a Romney supporter :

Do you think Romney hasn't "worked" in XX years simply because he makes his money through "investments" rather than regular salary?

35% is kind of a red herring. Most that I consider truly middle-class pay between 25-28, which is still hugely higher than 15% or less.

Would you care to actually address the points I made rather than deflect with nonsense? Also, I don't know why you say "yet again", when I post in P&N maybe every 2nd blue moon, and I doubt I've ever written anything on CG vs. standard tax brackets before, here or anywhere else.

 

[nehalem256]

Oh, I know the difference between capital gains and "earned" income, but the fact of the matter is that many of the very rich are able to make their income exclusively at the CG rates rather than earned income. I can't say I blame them, the way it's set up.

As you seem like you might be a Romney supporter :

Actually I probably won't vote. Romney is a horrible candidate

Do you think Romney hasn't "worked" in XX years simply because he makes his money through "investments" rather than regular salary?

I think he has not worked because he has been too busy running for President and being governor of massachusetts

35% is kind of a red herring. Most that I consider truly middle-class pay between 25-28, which is still hugely higher than 15% or less.

And 15% is a red herring because 40-50% of capital "gains" are merely inflation. Adjusting for that
correct top rate is 17.5-21%

 

[michal1980]

so what you are saying in short is:

republicans become socialist liberal democrats and you will vote for them?

brilliant plan.

 

[EXman]

Get rid of the fucking christian zealots. That solves about 3/4 of their problems right there.

Yes Crucify them or send them to the gas chambers!

Bigot

 

[EXman]

I think a substantial portion of the dem base is ignorant, especially in regards to fiscal issues, politicians are as well.

However my life experience in dealing with both sides I find the GOP base and it's politicians far more intellectually dishonest, outright liars and generally the type of people that want to hold the country back.

In what ways are they holding it back?

 

[shortylickens]

Yes Crucify them or send them to the gas chambers!

Bigot

I love it. You propose the massacre of an entire people and call me a bigot.