Stargate Worlds : ... and we're back! (8/24/09)

SunnyD

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1/12/09 Update:
The official word is that development on Stargate Worlds is currently suspended. The reason likely is that they have pulled whatever resources they have into finishing Stargate Resistance (FPS title) for a 2010Q1 launch in the hopes of generating revenue to finish Stargate Worlds.

In other words, SGW will most probably never see the light of day.

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Please note, this is still "technically" a rumor. But even so, it's been a long... LONG time coming.

Source: August 1st Deadline
According to sources, MGM may pull the license from Firesky's troubled Stargate Worlds MMO if no investment is secured by August 1st.

The next week and a half may finally bring resolution to the curious case of Stargate Worlds. According to a former employee who has recently left the company, Firesky has until August 1st to raise capital or MGM will pull the license.

At this time, the company?s last hope appears to be a group of doctors who are considering an $8 million investment into the company. This cash infusion would keep the company alive, allow it to pay off back wages and launch Stargate Worlds. However, our anonymous source does not believe that the deal will get done.
I have to say I'm not surprised one bit if this holds up to be true. There's a lot of rumors going around (such as various people essentially embezzling the $50 million or so of investor financing). Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment (CME - the developer) hasn't paid their devs in nearly a year, many of the dev team including the lead producer have left for greener pastures. CME also has several pending lawsuits - most dealing with breach of contract issues - filed against them by creditors.

If true, it will be sad to see this game go in some ways. I was eternally stoked when I heard about it initially. Because of their insanely restrictive NDA, I can't even tell you whether or not I participated in their "beta" last year ;). Needless to say, if this information is true, in 8 days you might actually get a postmortem - let's just say this was a long time coming.

Update 7/31/09:
Shane Hensley extends an invitation to MMORPG.com to have someone come to visit.

If you read the thread, Shane also virtually admits that after tomorrow, unless something drastic happens, there will be next to nobody left working at CME. He still states he's convinced that MGM isn't going to pull the license, but there's also no information about further investment into the game from outside sources either. In fact, he said after tomorrow, HE won't be at CME.

Pretty much the nail in the coffin so to speak. Stargate Worlds is all but dead.

Update 8/5/09:
Interestingly enough, Shane Hansley is actually keeping the remnants of the SGW community informed. Well, as informed as they can be. Shane apparently isn't even at CME right now - on leave. But he produced encouraging words today to the effect that they are demoing the game to various investors and have some money lined up. The catch however is that any money is tied up while the potential investors investigate CME's books. And of course, he states that they don't want people to get ahead of themselves, because they're trying to raise a FULL working amount, as piecemeal won't cut it at this time.

Ironically, nothing has materialized out of the MGM license issue yet. I have a feeling there's some sort of backroom deal that's holding onto the license until the fat lady sings.

It's really sad that it has taken until the company all but flatlines in order for the company to actually talk to the community. Or even listen to the community for that matter. I hope that if they do get their funding, they consider this a lesson learned. Even with the doom and gloom, the community is much happier that someone is actually talking to them now.

Update 8/10/09:
The rumor blog that seems to have started much of this info has apparently spun up some news that CME is getting operational funding here very shortly, and the lights will be left on so to speak. There's no 'official' word of this yet though.

Update 8/24/09:
Supposedly, the lights are back on at CME and Stargate Worlds is a-go... again... one more time...

?Things are actually very good here right now. We received some funding commitments that will provide financing over time and allow us to move forward with development and start catching up on our past due financial obligations, including some back payroll that we paid last week.?
According to Shane Hensley as stated above, CME has received funding to satisfy a good bit of their prior obligations, and they'll be looking to pay some paychecks here soon. There's also word that CME will be making some sore of announcement in September regarding what is supposed to be happening with the game.
 
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Glitchny

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Can't say I'm surprised they have been working on this for awhile now, and with the rumors and lawsuits etc it seemed likely that it would go under.

However this might be a good thing for Stargate fans as a whole. I was never very impressed with Stargate Worlds or with the little that they showed. Maybe now MGM can sell/give the license to another studio with a better track record and technology that will put out a quality game.

Also the Stargate license seems like it could spawn multiple games in multiple genres, not sure why they started with trying to make an MMO.
 

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Originally posted by: Glitchny
Can't say I'm surprised they have been working on this for awhile now, and with the rumors and lawsuits etc it seemed likely that it would go under.

However this might be a good thing for Stargate fans as a whole. I was never very impressed with Stargate Worlds or with the little that they showed. Maybe now MGM can sell/give the license to another studio with a better track record and technology that will put out a quality game.

Also the Stargate license seems like it could spawn multiple games in multiple genres, not sure why they started with trying to make an MMO.

A successful MMO = cash cow. Just ask Blizzard. Everyone since WoW has wanted a piece of that pie. With an MMO you have initial revenue, subscription revenue, expansion and content revenue, advertising revenue, the list goes on. But basically, if it's successful, you're basically printing your own money.
 

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Originally posted by: SunnyD...Because of their insanely restrictive NDA, I can't even tell you whether or not I participated in their "beta" last year ;). Needless to say, if this information is true, in 8 days you might actually get a postmortem - let's just say this was a long time coming.

In case anyone is dying to know how the beta was, I'll just say this.

It. Sucked. Giant. Donkey. Ass.
 

Glitchny

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Originally posted by: flashbacck
Originally posted by: SunnyD...Because of their insanely restrictive NDA, I can't even tell you whether or not I participated in their "beta" last year ;). Needless to say, if this information is true, in 8 days you might actually get a postmortem - let's just say this was a long time coming.

In case anyone is dying to know how the beta was, I'll just say this.

It. Sucked. Giant. Donkey. Ass.

details man details!
 

SunnyD

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Originally posted by: Glitchny
Originally posted by: flashbacck
Originally posted by: SunnyD...Because of their insanely restrictive NDA, I can't even tell you whether or not I participated in their "beta" last year ;). Needless to say, if this information is true, in 8 days you might actually get a postmortem - let's just say this was a long time coming.

In case anyone is dying to know how the beta was, I'll just say this.

It. Sucked. Giant. Donkey. Ass.

details man details!

Imagine this if you will: It shouldn't have even been called "Alpha", let alone "Beta".
 

Glitchny

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Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: Glitchny
Can't say I'm surprised they have been working on this for awhile now, and with the rumors and lawsuits etc it seemed likely that it would go under.

However this might be a good thing for Stargate fans as a whole. I was never very impressed with Stargate Worlds or with the little that they showed. Maybe now MGM can sell/give the license to another studio with a better track record and technology that will put out a quality game.

Also the Stargate license seems like it could spawn multiple games in multiple genres, not sure why they started with trying to make an MMO.

A successful MMO = cash cow. Just ask Blizzard. Everyone since WoW has wanted a piece of that pie. With an MMO you have initial revenue, subscription revenue, expansion and content revenue, advertising revenue, the list goes on. But basically, if it's successful, you're basically printing your own money.

I understand that MMO's print money if they are successful etc, but they are hard to get up and running correctly and require a large amount of start up funds. I'm not saying that a Stargate MMO wouldn't be cool but I think they should also look into making other games using the Stargate universe/back story. I mean off the top of my head it seems perfect for a Tatical Team based Shooter, a possible RTS, and a fps at least. If they made any of those quality it could help develop interest in the IP outside of just the nerds (myself included) who watch stargate.

LOL they better not get the money I want the real story/details on this beta and how it went. I knew the NDA was redic so it would be fun to know exactly what they were hiding.
 

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Originally posted by: Glitchny
I mean off the top of my head it seems perfect for a Tatical Team based Shooter, a possible RTS, and a fps at least.

It'd be neat if they mixed those up depending on the world/mission. One gate could lead to a town that needs to be built up and defended, another gate could be a FPS mission, they could have stealthy MGS style missions into Goa'uld territories, WiC style RTT missions, and even spaceship dogfighting would all fit into the Stargate universe.

I don't think it'd work too great as a MMO because the races would be completely unbalanced, most of the planets don't interact, and only a few classes would really make sense.
 

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I've been trolling around the various forums (pun intended) looking at the responses to this information and other general SGW news. Basically, I was right. It doesn't have much of a chance in hell even if it was released except maybe as a sleeper hit - which is almost impossible for an MMO-based game to be (you need subs from day 1 to keep you going). My guess is that with all the trouble CME has had over the last year and change, along with the miserable failure of a beta, word of mouth has essentially killed the game's chances.

It will be extremely interesting to see what happens IF they manage to secure additional funding.
 

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MGM should try to get either bioware or turbine (or even blizzard... although i doubt they'd be interested) to do the MMO, if either of those two studios are willing and able... fully fund development directly and give the dev. studio a large piece of the action so they are highly invested into make the game solid.

Turbine did a great job in fleshing out middle earth in LOTRO and continue to do a great job (very high quality and high server up time) and bioware is also very solid, although new to MMO's (we'll see how SW turns out.

Bottom line... if I had a high quality franchise MMO opportunity i wouldn't screw around with some rookie outfit... go to someone who knows what they are doing and has a proven track record.
 

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Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: Glitchny
Originally posted by: flashbacck
Originally posted by: SunnyD...Because of their insanely restrictive NDA, I can't even tell you whether or not I participated in their "beta" last year ;). Needless to say, if this information is true, in 8 days you might actually get a postmortem - let's just say this was a long time coming.

In case anyone is dying to know how the beta was, I'll just say this.

It. Sucked. Giant. Donkey. Ass.

details man details!

Imagine this if you will: It shouldn't have even been called "Alpha", let alone "Beta".

Ah, sounds like the "Horizons" debacle. What a clusterfuck that was.

 

SunnyD

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Yesterday, one of the (few?) devs, the QA dev in fact posted up a couple new screen grabs from the game. I'm not entirely sure, though I think by doing so he's either trying to quench the rumor flames or try to save face for the company.

Interestingly enough, one of the forum posts from the SGW community did mention something interesting: There is no sort of announcement or information regarding this situation on the MGM SGW website. Their website "appears" to be as if things are still going according to plan. Of course, MGM has no affiliation with the game other than providing the license, so it would stand to reason they won't say/change anything until AFTER whatever happens happens.

Anyhow, 4 days to go.
 

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I hope it doesn't die, but it really needed a LOT of work from the beta almost a year ago.

It certainly seems like a hard thing to get additional investment funds, when I'm sure part of the stipulation is the original investor has to be paid off first. Either in terms of profits from the game, or by the new investors.

Also, if so much staff has been laid off...how do you restart work on the project? Surely you can't get those same people back by now. And fresh talent coming in on a project mostly complete isn't exactly a recipe for greatness.
 

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If those investors had even spent an hour with the beta, they'd realize they're pissing away their money :p
 

SunnyD

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I'd update the title to reflect current events, but because it's an imported thread it won't let me.

Anyhow, the official word is that development on Stargate Worlds is currently suspended. The reason likely is that they have pulled whatever resources they have into finishing Stargate Resistance (FPS title) for a 2010Q1 launch in the hopes of generating revenue to finish Stargate Worlds.

In other words, SGW will most probably never see the light of day.
 

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I'd update the title to reflect current events, but because it's an imported thread it won't let me.

Anyhow, the official word is that development on Stargate Worlds is currently suspended. The reason likely is that they have pulled whatever resources they have into finishing Stargate Resistance (FPS title) for a 2010Q1 launch in the hopes of generating revenue to finish Stargate Worlds.

In other words, SGW will most probably never see the light of day.

"Indeed."