I was just using the same mindset of the uber anti-DRM people. And thats exactly what I'm saying, people do deserve to be paid for their work as do companies that employ people. I agree that it was a little far fetched, but seriously the only reason to hate drm is because you can't have whatever for free. This whole privacy/rights bs people rant about is just stupid.
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StarCraft II Gets DRM
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lupi
Lifer
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I have more actual physical copies of pc titles in my personal library than you have working brain cells. So next time you want to go down looney lane, I would recommend taking the plastic bag off from around your head so what you have left has a better chance to work.
As for the game, I finally watched the discussion from Blizzcon about the battlenet service; and boy should you be scared. While there is an offline mode, many of the features they are talking about that will enhance actual gameplay will be disabled "for security" when not connected online. With all games connected to a single account, if you do something they don't like and ban you then you lose access for all your games. Let your brother play under your bnet logon so he could play that copy of starcraft 2 you just bought, and he screws off, then you can say bye-bye to your wow account. They are heavily moving to rank everyone and adjust match making for your personal rating (since everyone will have only one bnet account. Sounds great, as long as the appropriate people at your level are playing (hello CoH matchmaking). And there's a reason I don't do facebok, twitter or that other crap. And I sure as hell don't want that crap in my game. And while I can't believe no one at the panels asked about the drm stuff, unless blizz is going to let you remove your cd key from your account (don't recommend holding your breath), it looks like your going to be locked into it just like at steam (which coincidentally enough was referenced a couple times in their reasons for bnet discussion).
All in all it was a lot about we know what you want and we're giving it to you regardless of want you actually want because this will be better for you and blizz, or at least for blizz.
mindcycle
Golden Member
What makes you think those of us against DRM are blindly signing away our rights in other aspects of our life just because we are against publishers taking away rights in a activity we enjoy? Discussing DRM trends in a PC game is a completely legitimate topic in a "PC Gaming" forum. If you want to make stupid assumptions about people's lives I suggest you head over to the off topic forum.
mindcycle
Golden Member
Because it doesn't work and only affects legit customers.
You're attempting to bring up an extremely tired argument that those of us against DRM are pirates, which is simply not the case. Ask yourself.. Why would pirates care about DRM when they aren't the ones that have to deal with it?
Use some simple reason and you'll recognize your view of the situation is just plain ignorant.
Sorry been busy with school, but I think that the DRM that steam uses is fine, and the little reading I did on blizzards DRM is fine(by my standards). Are there some that are invasive? sure. The reason pirates don't have to deal with this kind of DRM is because without hacking the companies network they're not going to be able to get it to work. Is it a little inconvenient for legit customers? Maybe. But seeing it from the companies side, the reason for DRM is to prevent pirating of their software. I guess I'm still not seeing why this is a big deal...until some company tries to access stuff on my computer they have no reason to or install rootkits or something similar I don't think I'd have a problem with DRM.
You also don't have to link your bnet and wow accounts, yet. I know you can but I'm 99% sure it's not a requirement.
mindcycle
Golden Member
If you are referring to the online requirement to install the game, then you are wrong, that won't prevent the game from being pirated. Just look at EA's attempt at online activation with Spore, Mass Effect, Mirror's Edge, etc.. All of which were cracked, some weeks before release. SC 2 will be no different.
If you are referring to bnet, then you are right. Bnet is an extra incentive to purchase the game, and one that pirates won't have access to. That's why i'm dumbfounded as to why Blizzard chose to require online access to install and also require you to sign up for a bnet account. If you purchased the game then you will probably want to sign up for an account anyway, but those that aren't interested (no internet access, not interested in MP, etc..) shouldn't be forced to jump through hoops to play their game.
That's fine, but the whole point of the required bnet account is to hinder used sales. There is no other reason.
RyanPaulShaffer
Diamond Member
Not yet, but Blizzard has stated that sometime in the future you will be required to. Probably right before Starcraft 2 is released.
lupi
Lifer
It probably won't be tied to the SC release. I know when the diablo guys were asked about it they said they didn't have any details as they wouldn't be involved with the bnet integration till closer to release time. Same thing is probably true with WoW and I'd expect to see it roll out with the next expansion patch.
Modelworks
Lifer
None of what blizzard is doing makes any sense.
Online activation can be patched out .
Battlenet is no loss to pirates as they just use an emulated battlenet server.
I'm guessing with pc sales slumping that blizzard has heard from their stockholders that they are concerned about losses to piracy. So they make the bold front for those stockholders that they are standing up against piracy.
I dont see what the big deal is with DRM. Its an inconvenience, but it should be obvious why its there.
With piracy running rampant and destroying PC Gaming, why wouldnt you want to attempt to protect your investment?
Getting mad because developers choose to try and protect themselves from piracy is just plain dumb.
With piracy running rampant and destroying PC Gaming, why wouldnt you want to attempt to protect your investment?
Getting mad because developers choose to try and protect themselves from piracy is just plain dumb.
Muadib
Lifer
Apparently you've forgotten this, and this. Can you tell me what will happen if Blizzard decides to do the same a year or two after SC2 is released?
Modelworks
Lifer
I think the reason why people are upset is because they know that it doesn't stop piracy but it does inconvenience the people that pay for the product. If it stopped piracy it would be a different story.
Regs
Lifer
A purchase has always been a compromise between the buyer and seller (opportunity costs, marginal costs, and marginal benefit). A consumer has to give up something in trade to get what they want. We barter, buy, bargain, and sell. It makes the world go round. Remember, the consumer is in the same boat as the seller. Finding equality or equal footing in the exchanges we partake everyday is what keeps a economy healthy.
wanderer27
Platinum Member
That's an excellent assessment :thumbsup:
So in the case of DRM, or in short adding the cost of me giving up rights as a consumer, to me equates to a minimum a doubling of the price.
Game hasn't been made that's worth that to me.
reallyscrued
Platinum Member
OMFG. IT'S LIKE ARGUING WITH A BRICK WALL!
It's not bad at all for companies to try and stop people from stealing their work, that's all well and good, but DRM does NOTHING to deter pirates.
I don't care if I get banned for asking this, but I want everyone to try something:
Go to thepiratebay.org and type in the name of ANY game imaginable and you will find results of working digital copies. WTF has DRM really done to stop any piracy?
It's just a nuisance for people who actually pay for a game.
They're both related to horrible music online stores. No surprise there.
Its still an inconvenience but i cant blame them.
Wake up. Piracy = extreme anti-pc developer.
People steal PC games, developers try to stop the theft to make actual money. The world goes round. Welcome to the real world.
I'd rather developers make a PC game with DRM, then it going to 360 or PS3 and never to PC. Which is what is happening with many games.
mindcycle
Golden Member
With DRM that doesn't work and only inconveniences legit customers.
A better way to deal with piracy is to include additional features such as downloadable content, MP, a user community, etc.. Things that aren't easily accessible by pirates and make the gaming experience better for the people who support the developer/publisher.
You're the one who needs to wake up and recognize how things actually work in the real world. Name me one game where DRM has succeeded and prevented piracy and we'll keep discussing the issue.
Good luck.
In case you've forgotten, you're the one who created this thread along with another topic on DRM. If you're just here to rant and everyone who doesnt have throw a tantrum when they see DRM is wrong, quit creating topics on it. 😕
I'm not here to argue, but I dont blame them for using DRM. Doesnt affect me one way or the other. Either i'll buy the game or i wont, life will continue believe it or not.
Cry more about it please.
mindcycle
Golden Member
I don't understand what you're trying to say here. How does discussion of DRM have anything to do with throwing a tantrum or who did or didn't create a thread?
I was replying to your post where you asked people to wake up and realize that DRM is somehow a necessity. I then asked you to provide the title of a game where DRM has succeeded in stopping piracy. My reasoning behind that is if you can provide me with that title then it would be worth further discussing your point, if not, it wouldn't. I don't know what's so confusing about that.
If that's the case then why are you posting in this thread?
It wont stop piracy, but it'll take at least a few days/weeks for the hackers to crack it. It'll at least grant an unhindered opening for the game's launch.
The activation will take 30 seconds to activate. Big deal. I guess that's 30 seconds people'll always wish they could have back. :/
The activation will take 30 seconds to activate. Big deal. I guess that's 30 seconds people'll always wish they could have back. :/
BlahBlahYouToo
Lifer
well i blame blizzard for making a game so desirable and fun, that pirates go out and hack it.
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