Star Wars: The Force Awakens reviews *SPOILERS*

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Phoenix86

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Why didn't they use, ya know, bombers for the bombing mission on the Starkiller?

Should have been y-wings with x-wings providing cover. Instead they just shoot it with lasers.
 

DAGTA

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Now I'm curious just what George's idea would have been for this trilogy, even though Disney went another way. The road not traveled if you will. I wonder if I would have liked it more, preferably in the hands of someone else running with his idea. It's possible, considering I took serious issue with the plot rehash of 7. I mean the Starkiller's destruction utterly paled in comparison to the impact of the first death star. Even the second one's destruction seemed more epic, and that wasn't even the climax of episode 6.

I agree with much of what Lucas had to say.

I think Lucas writing the story, someone else writing the movie script and dialogue, and someone else directing the movie would have been great.
 

Sonikku

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Jun 23, 2005
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Yeah that would have been perfect. Still, I might be too hard on Abrams. He may not have had a choice here. It's very possible the suits at Disney were all "Play it safe, don't you dare muck it up for us here on the first entry"
 

zinfamous

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I agree with much of what Lucas had to say.

I think Lucas writing the story, someone else writing the movie script and dialogue, and someone else directing the movie would have been great.

He should have done that for Episodes 1-3, like with Empire and Jedi. Every star wars film that he directed was pretty bad--yes, the first one was a bad movie. It was fun and great and all that--but it was just a bad movie.

But he didn't step away and it is very much unlikely that he would have for this.

Ideally, even knowing how bad he has been, I would have preferred him staying around for the story and producing while stepping away from all of the writing and directing for this.

I enjoyed a lot of TFA, but it was far too recycled.
 

SKORPI0

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Jan 18, 2000
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Better: they can jump inside the shield of the planet just fine in the falcon, so why don't the rebel fighters do the same?
The Millennium Falcon entered the planet at light speed as explained in the novelization of the movie. One second they are in hyperspace, then another split second they are few hundred feet from the surface of the modified ice planet. :awe:
 

Phoenix86

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The Millennium Falcon entered the planet at light speed as explained in the novelization of the movie. One second they are in hyperspace, then another split second they are few hundred feet from the surface of the modified ice planet. :awe:

Space travel really can't be explained in movies like this, you just have to accept it. Even a light speed drive would be woefully slow. It's best not to think about it too much.
 

Balt

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Yeah that would have been perfect. Still, I might be too hard on Abrams. He may not have had a choice here. It's very possible the suits at Disney were all "Play it safe, don't you dare muck it up for us here on the first entry"

Let's not give JJ too much credit. He was good at the pew-pew laser stuff in Star Wars and Star Trek, but IMO he's not great at developing the characters of his movies.
 

RampantAndroid

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The Millennium Falcon entered the planet at light speed as explained in the novelization of the movie. One second they are in hyperspace, then another split second they are few hundred feet from the surface of the modified ice planet. :awe:

Yes. I know. They explained it in the movie. X-Wings also can go to hyperspace. Why did they not just jump straight in, why did they need the shields lowered? Oh, right. They needed a way to write the rescue of Rey. :rolleyes:

Bad movie is bad.
 

Eug

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Mar 11, 2000
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well, that's what happened to Hamill between Star Wars and Empire, so they wrote in the wampa scene at the beginning, including the claws to his face, to explain his new and permanent scars.

Yes he had a car accident but the Abominable Snowman myth that it was written to account for his scars is just that, a myth. A popular and often repeated myth, but a myth nonetheless. Even Lucas himself has said that was bull.
 

Aikouka

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Nov 27, 2001
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Maybe, but $4B worth of butthurt.

From what I read, he gave it all away to charity. I mean... he has plenty of money from Star Wars prior to the sale.

Yes. I know. They explained it in the movie. X-Wings also can go to hyperspace. Why did they not just jump straight in, why did they need the shields lowered? Oh, right. They needed a way to write the rescue of Rey. :rolleyes:

Bad movie is bad.

I assume it's because Han is so bad ass of a pilot (but not a father :p) that he's the only one that could pull a maneuver like that. Of course, that's just one of those guesses. In a sense, you could say that part was just one of the parts of the movie that was on auto-pilot.
 

Sephire

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Sephire

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From the official screenplay:

Luke Skywalker Immediately Knows Who Rey Is and Why She Is Here

The script describes Luke Skywalker as being older now, with white hair and a beard. It says that he looks at Rey with a “kindness in his eyes, but there’s something tortured, too.” Most interestingly, it says that Luke “doesn’t need to ask her who she is, or what she is doing here.” Does this mean that he knows Rey is his child? Or does this mean that he knows because of the Force? The script only adds that “his look says it all.”

After Rey pulls Luke’s lightsaber from her pack, the script describes her holding it out to him as “An offer. A plea. The galaxy’s only hope.” And of course the script ends on “HOLD ON LUKE SKYWALKER’S INCREDIBLE FACE, amazed and conflicted at what he sees, as our MUSIC BUILDS, the promise of an adventure, just beginning…” It’s interesting that the script says Luke is both amazed and conflicted.

 

BrokenVisage

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Finally saw this last night, and as I feared the film moved so fast that it seemed to be saying "watch the pretty lasers and don't worry about the details." Things just happened without any explanation or reason to believe certain characters knew what they were doing or had an established motive. Rey was a fine protagonist and well-acted, but Kylo Ren was flimsy and Fin got annoying/unbelievable as time went on. Honestly I thought Harrison Ford saved the day when he came in as my interest waned. Was it good? By itself yeah it was a nice movie, it just felt like I saw it before and was much better as A New Hope, and you're crazy if you think this was even close to that as reviews/opinions make it out to be.

Edit: D'oh, forgot to end my quote, I hate people who do that.
 
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Eug

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Finally saw this last night, and as I feared the film moved so fast that it seemed to be saying "watch the pretty lasers and don't worry about the details. Things just happened without any explanation or reason to believe certain characters knew what they were doing or had an established motive. Rey was a fine protagonist and well-acted, but Kylo Ren was flimsy and Fin got annoying/unbelievable as time went on. Honestly I thought Harrison Ford saved the day when he came in as my interest waned. Was it good? By itself yeah it was a nice movie, it just felt like I saw it before and was much better as A New Hope, and you're crazy if you think this was even close to that as reviews/opinions make it out to be.

Review average at Metacritic is about 8/10. I would have been more in the 7/10 range but at least it's in the same ballpark.

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BTW, if you are about to buy a picture or other memorabilia with Mark Hamill's signature on it, you can tweet a pic of it to him and he will tell you if it is authentic or not. Cool.

http://cheezburger.com/706309/mark-hamill-helping-fans-spot-fake-autographs?ref=hero
 
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BrokenVisage

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Review average at Metacritic is about 8/10. I would have been more in the 7/10 range but at least it's in the same ballpark.

Yeah MC is an 8/10 for 50+ critic reviews which is VERY high for the site and the users put it at 7/10 which I would agree with.
 

zinfamous

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Yes he had a car accident but the Abominable Snowman myth that it was written to account for his scars is just that, a myth. A popular and often repeated myth, but a myth nonetheless. Even Lucas himself has said that was bull.

Lucas has said that Greedo always shot first, and it was never seen in the original cut because the effects were all jonky, for whatever reason. (this explanation for the first time with the BluRay release, and many years after already arguing that he changed it explicitly because he no longer saw Solo has a "Cold-blooded killer.")

So, yeah. I'm not interested in Lucas's so-called memory of events.

I think the wampa scene was always part of some version of script going in, but it's essentially impossible to argue against the injury to Luke's face as a simple, nearly meaningless way to explain the RL Hamill's injuries. It's not like that has never been done before in film, anyway.

Look at what they did a few years later with Harrison Ford's underlip scar (that he had always had) and Indy 3.