Star Wars: The Force Awakens reviews *SPOILERS*

[Charmonium]

Why don't we analyze why Vader had a cape in the first place?

Was he just an elf/ranger wannabe? Is the dark Lord of the sith chilly? Death star a bit drafty? Why didn't he just turn up the heat? It boggles the mind! Why didn't ANH explain this? Oh the plot holes!

And wtf, why did Vader have a belt? It's a custom suit, did he lose weight?! Wtf is going oooooonnnnn???!

The cape added dramatic effect in the original so it sort of made sense. I don't really remember but aren't there some slo-mo shots of Vader with his cape flapping in the breeze? Yeah it was superfluous but it made for a good visual.

 

[Phoenix86]

No cape!

 

[Aikouka]

In the past, capes were typically something worn by people of note or influence. Today, we usually see capes on our superheroes -- people of power. In other words, it's just a cool thing to wear that makes him seem more important and more prominent. I actually like Kylo Ren's look... well, when he keeps the hood up. The mask seems a bit oddly proportioned in the back when the hood isn't there.

 

[Kaido]

I hadn't considered the relationship between Chewbacca & Kylo before:

http://imgur.com/gallery/B0VBNGa

 

[Sonikku]

Why don't we analyze why Vader had a cape in the first place?

Was he just an elf/ranger wannabe? Is the dark Lord of the sith chilly? Death star a bit drafty? Why didn't he just turn up the heat? It boggles the mind! Why didn't ANH explain this? Oh the plot holes!

And wtf, why did Vader have a belt? It's a custom suit, did he lose weight?! Wtf is going oooooonnnnn???!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0ffCICQ-bU

 

[Childs]

Why don't we analyze why Vader had a cape in the first place?

Was he just an elf/ranger wannabe? Is the dark Lord of the sith chilly? Death star a bit drafty? Why didn't he just turn up the heat? It boggles the mind! Why didn't ANH explain this? Oh the plot holes!

And wtf, why did Vader have a belt? It's a custom suit, did he lose weight?! Wtf is going oooooonnnnn???!

Boba Fett had a cape. Jedis and the Emperor walked around in hooded robes. A cape is still in the same clothing family as the robe. Its probably just fashionable to wear such clothing in the SW universe, like it was in our history. Capes should make a comeback. In a way it seems strange that they went out of fashion, since they protect you from the elements and allow freer movement than a jacket. I'd love to walk around in a cape and mask. And screw it, open carry swords and guns. Every day would be like Comic-Con.

 

[zinfamous]

lol

It's almost like Disney ripped off the Road Runner scripts

Or maybe Rylo didn't know any better seeing how his training isn't complete.

He's not yet force sensitive enough to see into the past.

....:hmm:

 

[Ichinisan]

Why don't we analyze why Vader had a cape in the first place?

Was he just an elf/ranger wannabe? Is the dark Lord of the sith chilly? Death star a bit drafty? Why didn't he just turn up the heat? It boggles the mind! Why didn't ANH explain this? Oh the plot holes!

And wtf, why did Vader have a belt? It's a custom suit, did he lose weight?! Wtf is going oooooonnnnn???!

http://redlettermedia.com/top-ten-things-you-didnt-know-about-darth-vaders-suit/

:awe:

 

[lk2500]

It's very easy. Capes and helmets make for cooler toys.

 

[zerocool84]

http://redlettermedia.com/top-ten-things-you-didnt-know-about-darth-vaders-suit/

:awe:

Good god that laugh from that guy is extremely annoying, I had to turn it off.

 

[Aikouka]

I hadn't considered the relationship between Chewbacca & Kylo before:

http://imgur.com/gallery/B0VBNGa

Actually, I'm fairly certain that person is just speculating, and it's probably incorrect. This is part of Chewbacca's bio from after the war:

Once Kashyyyk was freed from the Imperials, Chewbacca returned to his homeworld and reestablished connections with his family. Nevertheless, when Han Solo resumed his smuggling activities, Chewbacca decided to join him. Fortunately, the strong familial bonds and the extended lifespan of the Wookiees allowed him to spend decades away from his people

Han left to become a smuggler back when Ben turned to the Dark Side and destroyed the new Jedi order. So, chances are, Chewbacca was on Kashyyyk when Ben Solo was growing up. Although, maybe Han and Leia brought over young Ben for a wonderful Life Day celebration? If only we had a new holiday special to let us know. :'(

 

[Fire&Blood]

Preordering blu ray's/dvd's is a thing now? :\
Anyway, it's $20, Target link: http://www.target.com/p/star-wars-t...+Wars:+The+Force+Awakens+(Blu-ray/DVD/Digital

 

[paperfist]

Preordering blu ray's/dvd's is a thing now? :\
Anyway, it's $20, Target link: http://www.target.com/p/star-dwars-...+Wars:+The+Force+Awakens+(Blu-ray/DVD/Digital

I didn't know they came out so soon...

Lol at first user review: JJ Abrams gives credibility to the franchise.

 

[CZroe]

You're just ignoring the arguments as to why the character might wear it, as you'd rather make evidence fit your theory than acknowledge the possibility of a different conclusion.

No. I'm criticizing that part of the writing. I'm saying that they are stupid reasons that only make sense for the motivations of children in cartoons. Don't expect the viewer to buy that when your character is A GROWN MAN.

Wait... You missed that he's emulating Vader, his grandfather and idol?! Were you drunk and or high when you watched it?

That's the reason. That's it. He didn't need it.

No. I directly addressed it and explained why it was A REALLY STUPID REASON. Would you hire/respect a grown man who dresses up in a costume everyday to emulate his idol?! That's why it's a stupid explanation.

Rip off of A New Hope because Luke wore a helmet too? Oh wait.

And so what if he looks up to his grandpa and also wants to wear a helmet. So freakin' what. Lol

You just described a 3-year old. That's "what." Our villain's motivations are only believable if you think of him as a 3yo and I can't criticize that? I'm sorry if I'm more discriminating than you are, but that's some poor storytelling and a blatant excuse for dressing him up like Vader.

And of course this was going to mirror A New Hope to some extent. What did people expect? Luke and Han doing backflips at 75? No. 30 years after part 6, new characters are going to be introduced and take over. New force users are going to be discovered and trained to fight this new evil. Unless people wanted them to already be established Jedis? Then people would just cry about wondering why they didn't show how they became Jedi/Jedi Knights.

We want a new story without every act correlating to something from ANH. How hard is that? Is that unreasonable?

I'm sick of hearing this like it's a bad thing. People liked A New Hope, and frankly it hasn't aged well. I liked getting a new version with more humor.

It *is* a bad thing. Was Empire a rip-off re-telling of Hope? Next thing you're going to tell me is that Abrahms did the right thing when he made Star Trek Into Darkness retread Star Trek II.

The cape added dramatic effect in the original so it sort of made sense. I don't really remember but aren't there some slo-mo shots of Vader with his cape flapping in the breeze? Yeah it was superfluous but it made for a good visual.

Also, he wasn't nearly the only one with a cape. Capes have been used to signify rank and royalty in our history and every indication is that The Empire has a similar custom.

Preordering blu ray's/dvd's is a thing now? :\

Anyway, it's $20, Target link: http://www.target.com/p/star-wars-t...+Wars:+The+Force+Awakens+(Blu-ray/DVD/Digital

Uhh, when has it not? What I noticed it's that cardboard-backed digital copy preorders were on the shelves at Wal-Mart the day after the movie started playing in theaters. IIRC, it had a bunch of extra content you could watch right away, but I'm still baffled: isn't the point of preordering to ensure proper distribution of stock and adequate supply before release? How does that apply to a DIGITAL copy with no physical media?!

 

[A Casual Fitz]

Good god that laugh from that guy is extremely annoying, I had to turn it off.

Lol I love Rich's laugh

 

[JTsyo]

Wait... You missed that he's emulating Vader, his grandfather and idol?! Were you drunk and or high when you watched it?

That's the reason. That's it. He didn't need it.

I don't know, with a face like that, he might need it for others to take him seriously.

 

[Homerboy]

I don't know, with a face like that, he might need it for others to take him seriously.

I love these rips on his face. You do realize he is pretty much a sex symbol, correct?

 

[CZroe]

I love these rips on his face. You do realize he is pretty much a sex symbol, correct?

Which only goes to show that he's a pretty boy. We aren't saying he's ugly: we're saying he's doesn't fit our idea of an intimidating villain.

 

[Homerboy]

Which only goes to show that he's a pretty boy. We aren't saying he's ugly: we're saying he's doesn't fit our idea of an intimidating villain.

I'm fine with it.

This is really one of my favorite threads ever. The amount of nitpicking is just unprecedented...

Now we're bitching about hoods and masks and shit. I'm really amazed at how some of you can enjoy anything in life.

#teenangst

 

[zinfamous]

No. I'm criticizing that part of the writing. I'm saying that they are stupid reasons that only make sense for the motivations of children in cartoons. Don't expect the viewer to buy that when your character is A GROWN MAN.


No. I directly addressed it and explained why it was A REALLY STUPID REASON. Would you hire/respect a grown man who dresses up in a costume everyday to emulate his idol?! That's why it's a stupid explanation.


You just described a 3-year old. That's "what." Our villain's motivations are only believable if you think of him as a 3yo and I can't criticize that? I'm sorry if I'm more discriminating than you are, but that's some poor storytelling and a blatant excuse for dressing him up like Vader.


We want a new story without every act correlating to something from ANH. How hard is that? Is that unreasonable?



It *is* a bad thing. Was Empire a rip-off re-telling of Hope? Next thing you're going to tell me is that Abrahms did the right thing when he made Star Trek Into Darkness retread Star Trek II.


Also, he wasn't nearly the only one with a cape. Capes have been used to signify rank and royalty in our history and every indication is that The Empire has a similar custom.



Uhh, when has it not? What I noticed it's that cardboard-backed digital copy preorders were on the shelves at Wal-Mart the day after the movie started playing in theaters. IIRC, it had a bunch of extra content you could watch right away, but I'm still baffled: isn't the point of preordering to ensure proper distribution of stock and adequate supply before release? How does that apply to a DIGITAL copy with no physical media?!

You seem to think that Sith Lords are supposed to be bankers on planet earth. They are not.

This is a fantasy film, first and foremost. It has always been a fantasy franchise. Masks have been rather prevalent from the beginning of the series and through the decades of what was considered canon and now non-canon.

None of us can fathom why you choose to commit the fallacy of ignoring the reality of the world presented in this fantasy setting and ascribe the social values of the world you see in daily life.

It makes no sense, and smacks of an obstinate refusal to analyze and appreciate content for what it is. You're also picking a fight that no logical viewer of this content would think is worth picking.

You seem to know better than everyone, including the creators, what the denizens of the Star Wars galaxy consider "Respectable," "terrifying," "worthy of leadership."

No one is buying it, but we continue to be puzzled and mildly humored at your uninformed flailing about on such an infantile non-issue as this sith lord wearing a mask.

Masks and armor and "pointless regalia" (often used to inspire dread and respect) has long been a staple of classical mythology and epic tales--what Star Wars is primarily inspired by. I can't honestly fathom why you make this very same argument for why a useless cape is acceptable in this world, yet masks or not. One might request that you settle down and consider your blatant contradictions, but we all know that you won't. You're history around here is rather...profound.

But please, ignore every explanation presented to you with your repeated "I know what is right in this fantasy world and you don't" 7th grade argument.

Also, what do you have to say about these guys?

 

[zinfamous]

I love these rips on his face. You do realize he is pretty much a sex symbol, correct?

which isn't very "sithy" I'm guessing he is going to get a drastic makeover for the next film.

But, hell, that further works against CZroe's silly argument: the mask further adds to his galaxy's notion of what a terrifying sith lord should be. Without it, he's just another pretty boy like his local Nazi commander.

 

[Pens1566]

I'm fine with it.

This is really one of my favorite threads ever. The amount of nitpicking is just unprecedented...

Now we're bitching about hoods and masks and shit. I'm really amazed at how some of you can enjoy anything in life.

#teenangst

Yep. It's a continuation of the "Lucas raped my childhood" vitriol from the prequels. Warms my heart to watch nerds thrash over something so ridiculous.

 

[Homerboy]

which isn't very "sithy" I'm guessing he is going to get a drastic makeover for the next film.

But, hell, that further works against CZroe's silly argument: the mask further adds to his galaxy's notion of what a terrifying sith lord should be. Without it, he's just another pretty boy like his local Nazi commander.

But realize the whole point of Ren is that you're supposed to sort of like him... he's a Solo for God's sake. He's NOT pure evil -- that is why he struggles throughout the movie.

He WILL be redeemed by the end of EP9 -- most likely by the hand of Rey. They are relatives of some sort, and together they will overthrow Snoke. You're not supposed to hate Ren. You're supposed to, and will end up cheering for him in the end as Snoke and the First Order is defeated.

If they make him "hateable" now, then you will never cheer for him.

be prepared for another "copy" of EP6 -- were Vader... I mean Ren is redeemed in the end.

 

[Homerboy]

Yep. It's a continuation of the "Lucas raped my childhood" vitriol from the prequels. Warms my heart to watch nerds thrash over something so ridiculous.

It's not even that as I agree with most the "Lucas raped my childhood" vitriol from the prequels (because he did!) If people are arguing over masks and capes and incredibly nitpicky things that have been more than prevalent in the FANTASY series since beginning to end, than it just proves they have very little to find at fault with EP7

 

[Kelvrick]

But realize the whole point of Ren is that you're supposed to sort of like him... he's a Solo for God's sake. He's NOT pure evil -- that is why he struggles throughout the movie.

He WILL be redeemed by the end of EP9 -- most likely by the hand of Rey. They are relatives of some sort, and together they will overthrow Snoke. You're not supposed to hate Ren. You're supposed to, and will end up cheering for him in the end as Snoke and the First Order is defeated.

If they make him "hateable" now, then you will never cheer for him.

That will probably make me hate this trilogy ALMOST as much as I hate episodes 1-3. They've set him down the path of the dark side and added an exclamation mark by having him kill Han. Redeeming him at the end will basically say these three movies meant nothing because he wasn't a bad guy at all and we've all wasted our time because nothing really happened except some explosions and characters dying. A redeeming act at the end of his life doesn't justify all the bad things that he did/caused before.

EDIT: I'm giving Ep 7 a lot of passes regarding plot lines because I can understand the position that they want to establish new characters and recreate the wonders of the original trilogy (eps 4-6) for a new generation. They did homage/stole/whatever some plot lines from the episode 4, but the only way the story in episode 7 can stand by itself is by setting itself as the story of how Ren is indeed accepting his path to the Dark Side. Not just cramming a mirror of Vader's progression to evil and then redemption from eps 1-6 into 3 movies.