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Star Wars: The Force Awakens reviews *SPOILERS*

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Sonikku said:
I think 3 was better than 7. It was a story of internal corruption and the death of democracy, which was a much stronger story than the rehash of 4 that 7 did. In this case I think the better idea with weaker execution was mildly stronger than the weaker idea with better execution.
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For the base story and plot of the prequels, I find them amazing. But then they went to shit with basically every other measure. Great actors even acted and sounded like shit. So whatever, I'll mostly ignore their existence now. But it is fun to think about what they could have been, if they had been in the right hands at the time.
 
Slew Foot said:
Not sure if its been mentioned yet but the planet Luke is on at the end of the movie is known as Ach-To and is the site of the first Jedi temple
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that sounds like a stupid place to hide if you're the last Jedi in the galaxy and you don't want anyone to find you.
 
BoberFett said:
That's part of the problem of course, it's basically a rehash, except now you're expected to know all these plot points that are apparently laid out in non-movie materials. Sorry, but these are movies to me. I'm not going to read books and websites, and watch cartoons to understand the story. The movies are the core, they should stand on their own.
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These sequels are ignoring the Extended Universe, and rightly so IMHO. I haven't followed a lick of it, and don't care to. If it was an EU of an original book series upon which the movies were based, that would be one thing, but these are all books by third-parties who expanded a universe developed in a movie trilogy, without the original creator's involvement. They can do and say anything, so what's the point?

Some of the story will be the same because it was sort of where the story was supposed to go in the first place, which is what some of the EU utilized as canon. But what we NEED to know will be demonstrated on screen eventually.

Remember, there will be two more direct sequels, and there are going to be individual movies on the side that will give us more of the backstory that fills in the gap between 6 and 7, which is awesome IMHO.

I think 7 had the role of basically getting everything started and pointed in the right direction. So it went through some of the same things to get new fans involved as well as quickly set up other plot elements. The back story movies and the sequels will now be able to move on full steam ahead.

In that regard, so 7 wasn't the most original of the series, but I thought it was perfectly done as it stands, the cinematography was terrific, directing and acting done right... I was very very pleased with the movie. In terms of cinematography, I think it was the best of the series, but by all other measures of a movie's worth, it was on par with the original series.
 
destrekor said:
These sequels are ignoring the Extended Universe, and rightly so IMHO. I haven't followed a lick of it, and don't care to. If it was an EU of an original book series upon which the movies were based, that would be one thing, but these are all books by third-parties who expanded a universe developed in a movie trilogy, without the original creator's involvement. They can do and say anything, so what's the point?
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That's not how the EU worked. Writers couldn't write whatever they pleased. Story arcs were suggested and approved by LucasArts. It wasn't some crazy fan-fiction site.

There was some crazy stuff that I'm glad is gone, but there was some really amazing work that got erased too...
 
blankslate said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F1d3QWsyk0
^More entertaining than EpIII



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I guess it's worth saying that the prequels being as bad as they were created a lot of entertainment in making fun of them... so there's that. If they were just average then they'd fade away and nothing would happen (which is probably what will happen with these new movies). Since they were so terrible it's been fun making fun of them. You get things like the Plinkett reviews which are so good it's almost worth having such terrible movies get made.
 
gorcorps said:
Any good that could be found in ep 3 (and there was very little) was completely ruined at the end.

Vader: "Where is Padme?"
Emperor: "YOU killed her"
Vader: "NOOOOOOO!"

There's so many things wrong with just this short scene it's embarrassing anybody could justify liking the movie. First, the completely awkward dialog of making Vader say "Padme" is cringe inducing. I'm not exaggerating, the first time I saw this movie this line made me wince... it was that awkward.

Then there's the confusion of Anakin who is clearly very strong with the force, but never even sensed when Padme died. It's happened several times in Star Wars, something awful happens somewhere and Yoda or someone will feel it and you can see the sadness in their eyes. They mirrored this in the new one when Han died, and you can see it in Leia's eyes (which was how they show the Skywalker family all is strong with the force, even if they aren't trained).

And of course everybody remembers THE moment: the worst thing to happen in the Star Wars prequels, and a fitting end to the giant pile of shit that Lucas served up to us for three straight movies. It was worse than midichlorians, worse than Jar Jar, worse than a 20 minute CGI lava fight, when we finally see what we've building up to for almost 7 hours of total prequel runtime. One of the most iconic villains in film history has completed his origin story and we see him in the mask and suit that he's made his own. Giddy with anticipation, we finally get to see how Darth Vader enters the world... and the fucker stumbles off the table like Frankenstein's monster and yells "NOOOOOOOOOOO!" What a god awful waste of time.

There is no excusing what episode 3 did to Vader, none at all. It boggles the mind to think that any self respecting fan would like it... and I'm not even THAT big of a fan. It's just that bad
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+1
 
gorcorps said:
Any good that could be found in ep 3 (and there was very little) was completely ruined at the end.

Vader: "Where is Padme?"
Emperor: "YOU killed her"
Vader: "NOOOOOOO!"

There's so many things wrong with just this short scene it's embarrassing anybody could justify liking the movie. First, the completely awkward dialog of making Vader say "Padme" is cringe inducing. I'm not exaggerating, the first time I saw this movie this line made me wince... it was that awkward.

Then there's the confusion of Anakin who is clearly very strong with the force, but never even sensed when Padme died. It's happened several times in Star Wars, something awful happens somewhere and Yoda or someone will feel it and you can see the sadness in their eyes. They mirrored this in the new one when Han died, and you can see it in Leia's eyes (which was how they show the Skywalker family all is strong with the force, even if they aren't trained).

And of course everybody remembers THE moment: the worst thing to happen in the Star Wars prequels, and a fitting end to the giant pile of shit that Lucas served up to us for three straight movies. It was worse than midichlorians, worse than Jar Jar, worse than a 20 minute CGI lava fight, when we finally see what we've building up to for almost 7 hours of total prequel runtime. One of the most iconic villains in film history has completed his origin story and we see him in the mask and suit that he's made his own. Giddy with anticipation, we finally get to see how Darth Vader enters the world... and the fucker stumbles off the table like Frankenstein's monster and yells "NOOOOOOOOOOO!" What a god awful waste of time.

There is no excusing what episode 3 did to Vader, none at all. It boggles the mind to think that any self respecting fan would like it... and I'm not even THAT big of a fan. It's just that bad
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:thumbsup:

Vader was a mysterious badass in Episode IV and was an awesome villain throughout the OT. Lucas did his best to ruin that image AND to introduce the stupidity of midichlorians to diminish the mystery around the Force in the prequels.

I decided I hadn't seen Episode I in awhile and decided to watch it last night. It brought back a lot of horrible memories and yes, just like I felt nearly 17 years ago, I felt the urgent need to punch George Lucas for his idiocy. And the REALLY sad part is that Episode I was Citizen Kane compared to Episode II. It just boggles my mind how someone who created such masterpieces (Episode IV, Episode V) could screw everything up so badly. After seeing the cutesy Ewoks in Episode VI, I should've been prepared for his idiocy in The Phantom Menace. Nothing, however, could've prepared me for AotC. AotC is one of the few movies I've ever seen that actually gets much, much worse the more you see it.

EDIT: And let's not forget what Lucas did to even further ruin RotJ on the Blu-ray release - inserting Vader's "Noooooooooooo!" screams during the climactic thrown room scene and then inserting Hayden Christensen as Vader's ghost.
 
destrekor said:
These sequels are ignoring the Extended Universe, and rightly so IMHO. I haven't followed a lick of it, and don't care to. If it was an EU of an original book series upon which the movies were based, that would be one thing, but these are all books by third-parties who expanded a universe developed in a movie trilogy, without the original creator's involvement. They can do and say anything, so what's the point?
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Isn't that what this movie was?
 
Han's son looked incredibly dorky/emo looking for the offspring of a total bad ass. Kind of lame casting choice if you ask me..
 
z1ggy said:
Han's son looked incredibly dorky/emo looking for the offspring of a total bad ass. Kind of lame casting choice if you ask me..
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HA! Yeah. That was my one real big nitpick. Harrison Ford was a cool mofo back in the day. I couldn't help but think the casting was totally off. But consider this....

Camera 1:
http://media.aintitcool.com/media/uploads/2015/herc/han1_medium.jpg

Camera 2:
http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/53f3bcb1ecad04730fc03eed-1200-924/adam-driver-gq-1.jpg

Ignoring the hair style...I can sort of see the casting choice.

Doesn't excuse the Darth Hissyfit persona that they captured in the Kylo Ren character. But the Son-O-Solo clearly has some ragey daddy issues.
 
vi edit said:
Doesn't excuse the Darth Hissyfit persona that they captured in the Kylo Ren character.
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His temper tantrums were one of the reasons why I assumed the character was in his teens (i.e. around the same age as Rey), but he's actually about 30. 😱 Maybe they should spend less time developing Death Star 3.0, and work on the tenets of Psychology as ol' Ben could probably use a few sessions with a shrink. 😛
 
The character of Kylo Ren is supposed to be about 30. The guy who plays him is an ex-Marine.

There was an Abrams interview where he stated something to the effect that this trilogy was about the creation of a villian, not a hero. So like in the original trilogy in which Luke started out as a whiny little bitch before becoming a hero, presumably Kylo is a whiny little bitch before becoming a villain.

Some might argue that this was done before in the prequels, but c'mon, everyone's complaint was that they DIDN'T show Anakin's fall, it was like the switch was flipped one day for reasons.
 
vi edit said:
HA! Yeah. That was my one real big nitpick. Harrison Ford was a cool mofo back in the day. I couldn't help but think the casting was totally off. But consider this....

Camera 1:
http://media.aintitcool.com/media/uploads/2015/herc/han1_medium.jpg

Camera 2:
http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/53f3bcb1ecad04730fc03eed-1200-924/adam-driver-gq-1.jpg

Ignoring the hair style...I can sort of see the casting choice.

Doesn't excuse the Darth Hissyfit persona that they captured in the Kylo Ren character. But the Son-O-Solo clearly has some ragey daddy issues.
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Yeah I just expected more of a suave looking hunk that the ladies would love to hate. But it seems they chose more of a geeky looking loner that basement dwellers could connect with.

WHAT?!? REY ESCAPED?!? LET ME LIGHTSABER THIS ENTIRE ROOM IN A FIT OF RAGE, EVEN THOUGH I PROBABLY KNEW SHE COULD ESCAPE USING THE FORCE!!!!
 
You are all missing the overall theme that 7 presents. That history repeats repeatedly and the back and forth nature of the force.
 
sactoking said:
The character of Kylo Ren is supposed to be about 30. The guy who plays him is an ex-Marine.

There was an Abrams interview where he stated something to the effect that this trilogy was about the creation of a villian, not a hero. So like in the original trilogy in which Luke started out as a whiny little bitch before becoming a hero, presumably Kylo is a whiny little bitch before becoming a villain.

Some might argue that this was done before in the prequels, but c'mon, everyone's complaint was that they DIDN'T show Anakin's fall, it was like the switch was flipped one day for reasons.
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Yes, Adam Driver is a former Marine who was discharged for medical reasons. He also runs a non-profit for service members called Arts in the Armed Forces. http://www.aitaf.org/

He sounds like a good guy so maybe cut him some slack on his looks, jeez.
 
IndyColtsFan said:
Nothing, however, could've prepared me for AotC. AotC is one of the few movies I've ever seen that actually gets much, much worse the more you see it.

EDIT: And let's not forget what Lucas did to even further ruin RotJ on the Blu-ray release - inserting Vader's "Noooooooooooo!" screams during the climactic thrown room scene and then inserting Hayden Christensen as Vader's ghost.
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These two points exactly.
Everyone bashes on EP1 as they should -- but I will argue to my grave that EP2 is arguably not only the worst SW movie, but a complete and utter disaster of a movie -- top 10 worst "big" movies of all time. I can still watch EP1 (while gnashing my teeth) but EP2 is just... unbearable. The "love story" is just.... unspeakable.

And the insertion of "Nooooooooo!" in RotJ is as bad as you say.
 
FWIW I have NO PROBLEM with Adam Driver's casting and the character.
People need to stop throwing around the "Emo" adjective.

I will bet any of you that over the next 2 movies he's going to become a COMPLETE bad ass (with a violent temper). Vader had a temper, but he was not violent.
 
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