Star Wars: The Force Awakens reviews *SPOILERS*

[paperfist]

When did Luke have a girl friend to make Rey?

There's a lot of holes in the film so it's possible, but I think she's Han's kid. Why else would he offer her a job, let her be co-pilot, etc?

 

[ctark]

Bleach, now reports say ALL the cast will return for ep 8. The more I think about it the more I actually start to hate this movie. It's a total rip off. Totally punked with Luke's appearance.

Probably because you read too many bullshit yahoo articles making up bullshit claims about Luke. I've known for a year now that he was only going to have a few seconds in the movie and I snickered this whole time when someone talked about his "role" in this movie. There simply wasn't enough screen time for him and it serves the story better going forward that he was left out. Don't forget, he IS the last remaining Jedi, and in the opening crawl it says Snoke is out to kill him. His first responsibility is to make sure the Jedi order survives.

 

[ctark]

When did Luke have a girl friend to make Rey?

There's a lot of holes in the film so it's possible, but I think she's Han's kid. Why else would he offer her a job, let her be co-pilot, etc?

Rey is not necessarily a Skywalker. Its pretty much an equal chance that she's either a Solo/Skywalker/Kenobi/Not related to anyone.

 

[ctark]

Ok I went to see Star Wars for the second time and picked up on quite a few things. Spoilers ahead.
First thing is rey Luke Skywalkers daughter?

There are many things in the movie that point to her being the son of the legendary Jedi.

#1 In the flashback scene when she touches the lightsaber for the first time, there are a few subtle hints. First the arm holding her back is the arm of the merchant she traded with. Second the ship that leaves her closely resembles the ship leia arrives on, when she comes to save Han and Fin. Third when you hear the young girl crying it's almost as if she's says "Father". Theory is that she was sent away to protect her from kylo ren.

#2 When Kylo Ren interrogates Rey after capturing her. He mentions a island and a ocean, as well as mentioned a father she never got to grow up with. These are things that were not shown in the flashback and were brought to light long before anyone knew the location of Luke. Maybe she had been to that island in the past?

#3 When Rey finally arrives at the resistance base for the first time it triggers a few events. First leia embraces Rey as though she knows her. Second R2D2 appears to come out of his hibernation upon her coming within his vicinity. Maybe he could since her presence? Third when she leaves it is as if her and leia had a long talk, and leia wishes her a farewell with the infamous line "May the force be with you". Which leaves to question of all people why send Rey to meet with Luke? Did leia tell Rey who her relation to Luke was?

#4 Arriving on the island. Just a couple things here. Firstly, when she meets Luke it does seem as though he is standing next to a grave, but who's grave? Everyone of importance died long ago, could it be his lost love slain in battle. It's all speculation, but leaves you to wonder. Secondly when they see each other the emotion they show almost signifies that they know each other and it's almost as if they have been reunited.

Most of this is speculation, but just little hints I noticed.

The second thing in speculation is, is supreme Lord snoke, Darth Plagueis? There are just a few things that point to this.

#1 Little history, Darth Plagueis was such a master of the force that he learned to manipulate the force to create life and to bring back the dead. This was told in the prequels by Palpatine aka Darth Sidious. So it is very likely that he could bring himself back to life or keep himself from dying. Even though Palaptine believe that he slayed his master.

#2 He closely resembles what Darth Plagueis would look like, including the scars to his face.

#3 We know he is a Powerful Sith Lord, because he wants to finish Kylo Ren's training of the dark side. If anything Yoda taught us there must be two sith "no more, no less", but that brings to question was Plagueis alive when Vader and Sidious were present in Star Wars?

If you read this, Thank You for taking the time and please reply.

#1 There are multiple hints in this flashback. The ones you mentioned plus someone says "Rey!", which has been confirmed that it was Ewan Mcgregor. Fueling speculation that she either has some connection to Kenobi, or that maybe she is a decedent of Kenobi. Right now its pretty much up in the air whether she's a Skywalker/Solo/Kenobi. There is evidence for all three.

#2 It definitely possible.

#3 I think Rey is the key to everything. She was the key to finding Luke all along. R2D2 doesn't wake up until Rey shows up with the lightsaber.

#4 I didn't notice a grave but we do know that it is the first jedi temple. It could just be a grave of an old Jedi. As far as the emotions, I thought I saw more hurt and shame on Lukes face. Don't forget that several planets with billions of people had just been blown up. He surely felt that. There are too many things to speculate about, so we probably wont know until later.

On the Darth Plagueis theory.

This has been my theory since Episode 7 was announced. However I'm leaning 66 percent NOT Plagueis, and 33 percent that it is Plagueis. If you go back and listen to the sound track of Episode III where Palpatine was talking about Darth Plagueis the wise, the music is eerily similar to the music they used for Supreme Leader Snoke. However Plagueis up until this point was always a Muun. The man we saw in Episode VII was not a Muun and looked nothing like a Muun. Also there was a line in the movie that said "The Supreme Leader is Wise", and we know that Plagueis is knows and "The Wise". That could just be a coincidence though. We tend to piece things together when we want something to be true. But I do think its a real possibility and its exciting to think about regardless of whether he is or not.

 

[Newbian]

When did Luke have a girl friend to make Rey?

There's a lot of holes in the film so it's possible, but I think she's Han's kid. Why else would he offer her a job, let her be co-pilot, etc?

Remember this is 30 years after rotj so there was time but I doubt she is lukes kid as she had flashbacks of her parents abandoning her and the wall of dates they were gone inside the at-at she was living in.

 

[Adrenaline]

I look at Finn's battle with Ren as Ren not wanting to use Force powers in case Rey got up. He felt he could deal with Finn normally as he "outclassed" Finn. Ren knew Rey had Force powers and Finn had zero.

I view Rey as having The Awakening. A large amount of training remembered that came out or her Force powers coming out all at once. It was so strong that Snoke felt it wherever he was.

 

[Spydermag68]

Andy86. Welcome to Anandtech.

I caught that in my first viewing of the movie. I also suspected Rey's link to Luke from the beginning. It was how they were linked I wanted to know. I guess we will find out in 2 years.

 

[akugami]

I thought the reveal on Kylo Ren's identity came too easily. They should have left the audiences guessing until the end. Kinda like the "Luke, I am your father" reveal.

I don't care how well trained or not well trained people think Kylo Ren is. How in the hell did Rey beat him in a light sabre fight? Training and experience favor Kylo. And while speculation, it looks like strength favors Kylo along with strength. Speed is unknown factor but usually it don't matter how fast you are, if we're trading sword blows.

Rey sure got proficient in the force fast.

Spoiler

Enough to order stormtrooper Daniel Craig into removing her restraints.

This was a fun campy "back to the original" movie that resets things. Were there plot holes? The size of a missing section of a galactic star map. But the movie was enjoyable! And that, is what is most important. It's a friggin movie, not a PHD thesis. Let's not over analyze things. That said, now it's time to move forward. I hope Episode 8 does not disappoint us.

 

[Spydermag68]

If you remember Rey grew up on a planet bey herself. She most likely had to learn to fight, and she does kick ass with her staff when she meets Finn.

 

[Andy86]

When did Luke have a girl friend to make Rey?

There's a lot of holes in the film so it's possible, but I think she's Han's kid. Why else would he offer her a job, let her be co-pilot, etc?

Possible Han had a sneaking suspicion of possibly being Lukes daughter and maybe wanted to protect her?

Also much of the expanded universe Luke is married, only difference is he has a boy named Ben solo instead of a daughter. So it's very possible they went that route, but changed a few things.

 

[Andy86]

Remember this is 30 years after rotj so there was time but I doubt she is lukes kid as she had flashbacks of her parents abandoning her and the wall of dates they were gone inside the at-at she was living in.

I believe the wall markings are just the days that she has been on jakku. It never shows who her parents are, so it leaves much speculation. The only evidence you get from the scene of her flashback is the hand holding her back (which belongs to the trader it seems) and the space ship flying away.

 

[maddogchen]

Possible Han had a sneaking suspicion of possibly being Lukes daughter and maybe wanted to protect her?



Also much of the expanded universe Luke is married, only difference is he has a boy named Ben solo instead of a daughter. So it's very possible they went that route, but changed a few things.

Why would Luke Skywalker's son be named Ben Solo?

 

[cronos]

Why would Luke Skywalker's son be named Ben Solo?

It was a typo, Luke's son's name in the EU/Legends is Ben Skywalker.

 

[CZroe]

Exactly how I feel.

The story seems to be missing things that are necessary to tell a story. Why does she assume the droid doesn't belong to that other guy? Why does he let her "free" it? Why does it want to follow her after it was previously instructed to "go as far away as possible?" Why is Kylo Renn (spelling?) so upset with the storm trooper defector that he yells "TRRRAY-TARRRRR!!!"-? Didn't Kylo himself become a "traitor" when he turned to the Dark Side? Why does he wear a helmet at all when he doesn't need it?

The shifting tone / attitude of the commander/general type person is also confusing and strange. Then Rey does the Jedi mind trick immediately as soon as she starts to suspect she might have some force abilities? No sabbatical with Yoda in the Degobah system required. No extended apprenticeship with a wise master like Obi Wan Kenobi. Nope. Just immediately pulling off the Jedi mind trick and force pulls without any training whatsoever.

They said Luke went away because he was ashamed/dismayed when Kylo turned to the dark side. So he left when the Republic needed him most? Planets were destroyed. Countless innocents lost their lives. You're a real asshole, Luke!

I felt like the story was broken because it was designed by a committee, rather than written. That would be expected after Disney pays billions for the property, but I'm not 100% convinced that's why it's bad. The story was almost as flawed as the last JJ Abrams movie I watched (Into Darkness), and the flaws just seem all so similar.

It seems like an awful lot of issues could have been fixed in editing, like the nonsense "poison gas != smoke" thing that they wasted time setting up and then didn't do anything with (just get rid of it all) or the soft sand thing with the tie fighter that makes no sense and confuses people (adds nothing... just get rid of this "soft sand" BS). Get rid of Kylo stepping out on a balcony and telling his people to "find them" when everyone is already looking. Why did he chase her away from the place where the droid and everyone else was running around to ask her where the droid was? Good question, but why are you asking her? How would she know any more than you when you both just left while it was running around?!

Oh! And that's not how the Jedi mind trick works. The reason the trooper was repeating what Ben was saying was because Ben was making him tell the others that they weren't the droid's they were looking for. It wasn't because people being influenced just repeat what the Jedi says. 🙄

"Fancy running into you here." This planet-sized Star Destroyer or whatever it is it even more massive when you consider that it isn't just surface area, but they run into our heroine almost right away by complete chance. A line explaining why they might be headed to the same place would have fixed that. She was clearly as technically-minded as Han, so they should have come to the same realization about a vulnerability or an escape route.

I hate to ask after the travesty that happened to the original movies, but can we get a Special Edition that fixes this crap?

 

[CZroe]

Possible Han had a sneaking suspicion of possibly being Lukes daughter and maybe wanted to protect her?

Also much of the expanded universe Luke is married, only difference is he has a boy named Ben solo instead of a daughter. So it's very possible they went that route, but changed a few things.

Uh, no. Unless they are playing tricks on us, Han insisted that her parents weren't coming back for her because he was her father. He obviously wanted to protect her from her brother even knowing about her.

We have no indication Like was ever there while Han's Millenium Falcon was parked right outside her entire life.

 

[Chiropteran]

I don't care how well trained or not well trained people think Kylo Ren is. How in the hell did Rey beat him in a light sabre fight? Training and experience favor Kylo. And while speculation, it looks like strength favors Kylo along with strength. Speed is unknown factor but usually it don't matter how fast you are, if we're trading sword blows.

Were you actually watching the movie?

Kylo Ren was hit by Chewie's bowcaster, something that kills most enemies in a single shot.

Kylo Ren was also under orders to get the map from Rey, not kill her, so he was at a distinct disadvantage in the fight in that he had to win without killing her.

Also, Rey was a very experienced fighter, as shown earlier in the movie when she defeats several opponents at once with her staff. Just because she isn't a Jedi doesn't mean she can't fight.

Further, he had some idea that he could simply turn her to the dark side, so for that to happen he again had to defeat her without causing permanent physical damage.

And finally, it was a 2vs1 fight from the start, Fin & Rey were both attacking Kylo Ren.

So no, Rey didn't just beat Kylo Ren in a straight lightsaber fight, there was a lot more to it.

 

[Skel]

Uh, no. Unless they are playing tricks on us, Han insisted that her parents weren't coming back for her because he was her father. He obviously wanted to protect her from her brother even knowing about her.

We have no indication Like was ever there while Han's Millenium Falcon was parked right outside her entire life.

I'm not sure if I'm following you correctly, but if you're saying the Falcon being there is proof that she's Han's daughter than I'm not sure that would count. While the odds are ridiculoushttp://www.learnersdictionary.com/search/ridiculous, they did explain how the Falcon was there and it had nothing to do with Rey.

I'm also really unsure how the Jedi (or Sith) survived as long as they did with all the inbreeding. You'd think that the Force wouldn't be tied to a bloodline like all these theories are making it. Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised at Rey being someone's daughter. These movies are aping the old ones so I'm sure they're working towards their "I'm your father" moment, no matter how pointless or impractical it'll be.

 

[Andy86]

Uh, no. Unless they are playing tricks on us, Han insisted that her parents weren't coming back for her because he was her father. He obviously wanted to protect her from her brother even knowing about her.

We have no indication Like was ever there while Han's Millenium Falcon was parked right outside her entire life.

Well that could work either way. Han Solo knew Luke wasn't going to return on his own. Luke was also the one to train Ben Solo so why wouldn't he send his child off if she was in danger from her cousin? We also know kylo ren would have to be much older then Rey due to the age difference in the flashback. I don't think Luke ever stepped foot on Jakku to be honest she was sent away just as Luke and leia were sent away as children of a Jedi/Sith.

For the millennium falcon I'm unsure if that is pure luck as Han Soli mention by it being stolen. But one thing I know the same guy that was holding Rey back in her vision was the same trader who obtained the millennium falcon. So coincidence or not? That's the question. Han had no idea where is was from what he mentioned in the movie.

 

[Andy86]

Why would Luke Skywalker's son be named Ben Solo?

That was my bad. I meant Ben Skywalker. He was name after uncle Ben/ obi wan kenobi.

 

[Andy86]

I wanted to add something that was prevalent throughout the film. It would make much since if she was a decedent of anakin Skywalker due to her being extremely tech savvy, and a natural pilot. Also, it would make since for her to be naturally more powerful the Ben solo(Kylo ren) if her father was in fact Luke, because Luke was a natural force user and was well trained within the order. Luke was also a natural skilled pilot as well. But that could also go either way of her being leia or Luke's child.

 

[paperfist]

Remember this is 30 years after rotj so there was time but I doubt she is lukes kid as she had flashbacks of her parents abandoning her and the wall of dates they were gone inside the at-at she was living in.

True there is much emptiness not covered in this movie.

Like how the hell Han and Chewy lost the Falcon for 30 years, but are able to find Luke in 5 movie minutes.

 

[CZroe]

I wanted to add something that was prevalent throughout the film. It would make much since if she was a decedent of anakin Skywalker due to her being extremely tech savvy, and a natural pilot. Also, it would make since for her to be naturally more powerful the Ben solo(Kylo ren) if her father was in fact Luke, because Luke was a natural force user and was well trained within the order. Luke was also a natural skilled pilot as well. But that could also go either way of her being leia or Luke's child.

So being tech savvy and a natural pilot is genetic/inheritable too? It's bad enough that The Force went from being something which surrounds everyone and only needs to be tapped into by any sentient creature of any species (even droids like General Greivous) to now just being some stupid bloodline thing. Even so: Luke and Leia have the same bloodline, so it's as likely to be Han and Leia's daughter.

Also, if we are going with that, Han's understanding of the technical aspects of the ship was right there with hers.

 

[cubby1223]

The recent back and forth is the exact reason why I think this is a big disappointment of a movie. To make sense of the fine details you must make far-stretching assumptions & reasonings contradictory to the past movies. This is a mindless action-flick, it cannot be analyzed and digested. Stuff blew up and the audience cheered.

 

[CZroe]

Well that could work either way. Han Solo knew Luke wasn't going to return on his own. Luke was also the one to train Ben Solo so why wouldn't he send his child off if she was in danger from her cousin? We also know kylo ren would have to be much older then Rey due to the age difference in the flashback. I don't think Luke ever stepped foot on Jakku to be honest she was sent away just as Luke and leia were sent away as children of a Jedi/Sith.



For the millennium falcon I'm unsure if that is pure luck as Han Soli mention by it being stolen. But one thing I know the same guy that was holding Rey back in her vision was the same trader who obtained the millennium falcon. So coincidence or not? That's the question. Han had no idea where is was from what he mentioned in the movie.

It was obviously parked all those years because it was configured to summon/signal him somehow when it was used. It never got away from the planet so he didn't even have to ask where it came from.

IIRC, Han asked who stole it and she gave a name. Without questioning it, he turned to think about that name as if it had some meaning or familiarity to him. That's when she started spitting out other names of people who took it from other people. It changed hands a few times through the years but, according to Rey, was never flown. At least one of those people would be the one Han interacted with to lose it in the first place. It stands to reason that the person is a denizen of this planet.

Knowing all this, it's very likely that Han has been there before. Her flashback shows that someone who has been there before left her and never came back. If Han isn't her father then they are playing tricks with us by deliberately leading us to assume it.

 

[Childs]

I'm also really unsure how the Jedi (or Sith) survived as long as they did with all the inbreeding. You'd think that the Force wouldn't be tied to a bloodline like all these theories are making it.

Maybe thats why it was forbidden for Jedi to have kids. I know its common in religions for holy figures to not be married or have kids, and its probably what inspired Lucas to have that rule, but it could explain the Sith. Maybe using the ability to use the force is like a regressive gene, and each generation gets crazier and crazier.

Well that could work either way. Han Solo knew Luke wasn't going to return on his own. Luke was also the one to train Ben Solo so why wouldn't he send his child off if she was in danger from her cousin? We also know kylo ren would have to be much older then Rey due to the age difference in the flashback. I don't think Luke ever stepped foot on Jakku to be honest she was sent away just as Luke and leia were sent away as children of a Jedi/Sith.

I think Han was just being realistic when he said her parents weren't coming for her. She's been waiting on that planet for like 10-15 years and now shes a woman...how much longer is she gonna wait? If they haven't come by now they probably arent going to.