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Enterprise isn't considered to be the same time line, universe, or whatever as the other shows. At least according to the creators back when they first went into production for it.
Then again, they also rewrote history for TNG.
Safeway
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It is obviously the same timeline/universe/whatever. Starfleet, Klingons, Vulcans, ...
The writers were just too lazy to write accurate prequels for TOS and TNG.
Edit: Hell, all the series refer to the same original creator of Warp technology. Whatever his name was.
Zephram Cochrane, and that was where they changed TOS/TNG history.
If you read their Enterprise notes, there consciously left out the "Star Trek" label for Enterprise for the reason I mentioned. This was mentioned in various articles that came out before the show, as well.
In reference to Zephram Cochrane, yes, he created Warp Drive in TOS, but in that series he was from Alpha Centauri, and gave it to visiting humans from Earth that travelled there in a near-light speed ship. In TNG, Zephram Cochrane was from Earth.
Well, the Cochrane in TOS had been rejuvenated to a younger state by the entity on that planet, but still, he looked 30ish, so I think he was done growing, at least vertically.
Modelworks
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Yep, you really need to start with the original and move to next generation , then DS9.
They often have plot lines that reference earlier series.
You can just start with any of them, but you might not understand why some characters react in certain ways.
They often have plot lines that reference earlier series.
You can just start with any of them, but you might not understand why some characters react in certain ways.
Throckmorton
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DS9 is by far the best, especially if you are into geopolitics and the like. You should start with TNG and then watch DS9 and then Voyager. I'd skip TOS. It doesn't meet moderns TV standards and might sully your view of Star Trek.
No worries, it was just the one thing that always stuck in my head about the divergence between TOS and TNG. I discovered TOS in reruns on network television as a kid, and watched every episode more times than I can remember. It was on television every weeknight at 5:00 P.M.
It was kind of bizarre though, for all of those reruns, there was one episode I never saw until I hit my twenties and another station was rerunning them. Somehow, for the years I watched it in my pre-teen and teen-age phases, they never showed The Conscience of the King. I only found out about that episode when reading the novelization of all of the TOS episodes by James Blish.
Reading Cochrane's biography on that site, it looks like they rewrote the history to say that he made a new home on Alpha Centauri, which is nice except that it doesn't flesh with the comments about how they gave the Warp Drive to the visiting humans from Earth as a gift, which allowed them to return home in a fraction of the time it took them to get to Alpha Centauri in the first place.
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Wait, so in Enterprise, Zephram Cochrane is not a human, and GAVE humans warp technology? The resourcefulness and ingenuity of humans is a core principle of Star Trek, and Enterprise just throws that out the window? And to think I considered buying the DVDs and watching it.
No, in Star Trek - TOS, Zephram Cochrane was from Alpha Centauri, and gave Warp Drive to humans when they visited from Earth, after a four year plus journey there at sub-light speeds. The residents of the worlds around Alpha Centauri just happened to look exactly like humans.
Star Trek - TNG retconned it so Zephram Cochrane was a human from Earth.If you take into account the TNG (I think it was TNG) episode where the Humans, Klingons, Vulcans, et cetera all find out that they were seeded on their various planets by one race, it helps a bit with the disbelief that such distant races all look so similar but for nose ridges, ears, and such.
Safeway
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Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
No, in Star Trek - TOS, Zephram Cochrane was from Alpha Centauri, and gave Warp Drive to humans when they visited from Earth, after a four year plus journey there at sub-light speeds. The residents of the worlds around Alpha Centauri just happened to look exactly like humans.
If you take into account the TNG (I think it was TNG) episode where the Humans, Klingons, Vulcans, et cetera all find out that they were seeded on their various planets by one race, it helps a bit with the disbelief that such distant races all look so similar but for nose ridges, ears, and such.
No way, I thought I had seen every TNG episode.
Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
No, in Star Trek - TOS, Zephram Cochrane was from Alpha Centauri, and gave Warp Drive to humans when they visited from Earth, after a four year plus journey there at sub-light speeds. The residents of the worlds around Alpha Centauri just happened to look exactly like humans.
If you take into account the TNG (I think it was TNG) episode where the Humans, Klingons, Vulcans, et cetera all find out that they were seeded on their various planets by one race, it helps a bit with the disbelief that such distant races all look so similar but for nose ridges, ears, and such.
No way, I thought I had seen every TNG episode.
It may have been DS9. I will see if I can find out which one.
EDIT: Found it. TNG: Season 6 - Episode 20
MotionMan
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Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
No, in Star Trek - TOS, Zephram Cochrane was from Alpha Centauri, and gave Warp Drive to humans when they visited from Earth, after a four year plus journey there at sub-light speeds. The residents of the worlds around Alpha Centauri just happened to look exactly like humans.
If you take into account the TNG (I think it was TNG) episode where the Humans, Klingons, Vulcans, et cetera all find out that they were seeded on their various planets by one race, it helps a bit with the disbelief that such distant races all look so similar but for nose ridges, ears, and such.
No way, I thought I had seen every TNG episode.
It may have been DS9. I will see if I can find out which one.
EDIT: Found it. TNG: Season 6 - Episode 20
Beat me to it. It was definitely TNG.
MotionMan
MotionMan
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I love the Star Trek universe. I have seen every episode of TOS, TNG and Voyager as well as every movie.
I tried watching DS9 numerous times (and I love Chief O'Brien) as well as Enterprise, and just found them mostly unwatchable.
Just my opinion, of course.
MotionMan
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it's not a journey if you've been down the same exact mediocre road for decades. Douglas Adams knew that.
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