Star Trek Into Darkness: 86% at RT.com (Post reviews here!)

[SithSolo1]

Saw it with my brothers Friday. As a movie it was ok but it didn't feel like a Star Trek movie. There was way too much action going on and not enough acting.

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When they were fighting on top of the "cars" at the end

, I thought someone had flipped over to a Star Wars prequel.

To be honest the thing I remember most about the movie is how badass the Superman preview looked.

 

[darkxshade]

Did anyone remember what year it was in this movie? Khan was supposedly awoken from a 300 year slumber. I recall it was 22xx so if he's been sleeping for 300 years, then he was put into cryostasis in the 1900s? I don't get how he could possibly have the knowledge to develop advanced weaponry.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Did anyone remember what year it was in this movie? Khan was supposedly awoken from a 300 year slumber. I recall it was 22xx so if he's been sleeping for 300 years, then he was put into cryostasis in the 1900s? I don't get how he could possibly have the knowledge to develop advanced weaponry.

They didn't wake him to develop weaponry, they woke him so that he could teach them how to REALLY fight.

Starfleet is supposed to be a peacekeeping/ science organization, not a full on military.

The dreadnought was the first combat focused vessel in starfleet which is a big deal. And they wanted Khan to teach them how to fight all out war, fight a type of war starfleet has forgotten how to fight because that was the only way they could fight against the Klingons.

 

[silverpig]

Did anyone remember what year it was in this movie? Khan was supposedly awoken from a 300 year slumber. I recall it was 22xx so if he's been sleeping for 300 years, then he was put into cryostasis in the 1900s? I don't get how he could possibly have the knowledge to develop advanced weaponry.

I think TOS said there was a global eugenics war with genetically enhanced people sometime in the 1990s. This was when Khan was created.

 

[Ichinisan]

They didn't wake him to develop weaponry, they woke him so that he could teach them how to REALLY fight.

Well he designed the torpedoes and stuck his crew members into them. Really lame. So why exactly did he have a falling-out with Starfleet?

Starfleet is supposed to be a peacekeeping/ science organization, not a full on military.

The dreadnought was the first combat focused vessel in starfleet which is a big deal. And they wanted Khan to teach them how to fight all out war, fight a type of war starfleet has forgotten how to fight because that was the only way they could fight against the Klingons.

Dumb. They don't have books and records to teach tactics?

 

[Fenixgoon]

saw the movie tonight.

i really enjoyed it, although some of the actions scenes were too fast, and there were numerous plotholes that i picked out almost immediately, and i'm not a hardcore trekkie.

in terms of plot, ST2009 was better, but you can't have kirk and not do khan at some point. i think the way they introduced him was fairly good, even yjouhj i haven't seen Space Seed (ST:TOS where khan is first introduced).

in terms of kirk vs. khan, in ST:TOS they are mortal enemies, whereas here it was khan vs. Starfleet and kirk is just in the middle trying to save the day.

i did like the homages to STII: TWK.

would i see it again? absolutely.

also, the music score is amazing. extraordinarily well done.

edit: and one last thing - for people saying khan wasn't fleshed out as a character, he was in 1 episode of ST:TOS and then in STII:TWK and that's it. so 3 hours of potential character development versus 2

 

[james1701]

For all the fan service, we didn't really get to see the Enterprise fire a single phaser or torpedo. Has that ever happened before in a trek film?

Star Trek the motion picture only had one torpedo fired at the asteroid. That's about as close as it gets.

 

[CZroe]

Well he designed the torpedoes and stuck his crew members into them. Really lame. So why exactly did he have a falling-out with Starfleet?



Dumb. They don't have books and records to teach tactics?

Because they renegged on their promise to wake up his family.

 

[CZroe]

Came in here to say this

Also how can a detonation of 72 photon torpedoes inside a ship not destroy it? :hmm:

A) Much larger ship than typical makes the blasts proportionally less powerful.
B) Overlapping blast radius (all beamed into same room) makes the destructive force only a bit more than one torpedo.
C) Minimal crew = minimal life support = minimal pressurized atmosphere for carrying the concussive force.
D) They were beamed into a less-critical part of the ship (cargo bay or something).

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Well he designed the torpedoes and stuck his crew members into them. Really lame. So why exactly did he have a falling-out with Starfleet?



Dumb. They don't have books and records to teach tactics?

Reading tactics from a book is much different than having a general that has the balls to fight a total war.

 

[CZroe]

This movie could have been good, if it were not a Star Trek movie, and if it didn't "borrow" half it's script from the greatest Star Trek movie ever. It ended up being not so much a movie but rather a "hey, I remember that!" kind of thing throughout.

The more I think about various things in this new movie afterwards, the more and more I hate the movie. As a "for instance" the first moment in the gathering of officers has Peter Weller at the lead (I had to look up his name), I could pretty much predict the basic layout of the remainder of the movie. Weller would play a good role as a Texas high-school football coach, not the top man in Starfleet Command...

And, no, Harold does _not_ get to be Sulu! I'm sorry you have been typecasted, you are not Sulu. It took you an entire night to find a White Castle, you are not qualified to helm the Enterprise.

What about Kal Pen (Kumar) on House as Doctor Kutner?

The thing I loved about the old Star Trek were the moral dilemmas and basic humanity. Now it's 90% mindless action, shut off your brain and watch things smash into other things!

That was what I hated most about the original series. It was always so laughably simplistic yet self-important, often blatantly wrong (look at the way they treat their women while asserting moral superiority), and mind-numbingly stupid (most of the "moral dilemmas" were something a two-year-old could handle).

I saw it today with my son. We both loved the movie. I'd like to see it again actually, probably pick it up when it comes out on Blue Ray.

Blu-Ray. "Blue" wouldn't be trademark-able.

I think the first is a great movie, not just a great Star Trek movie. I thought the opening sequence is some of the best movie magic and best writing ever.

The sequel is not as good. The vilains were tedious. Khan isn't British, he's Ricardo Montelban!! They should have had the character be a member of Khan's crew, if they didn't want to bother coming up with something new.

It's worth the money to see it.

This, though they'd have to explain how they got

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Khan back to sleep (Botany Bay was set to wake him up when first encountered)

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They didn't wake him to develop weaponry, they woke him so that he could teach them how to REALLY fight.

Starfleet is supposed to be a peacekeeping/ science organization, not a full on military.

The dreadnought was the first combat focused vessel in starfleet which is a big deal. And they wanted Khan to teach them how to fight all out war, fight a type of war starfleet has forgotten how to fight because that was the only way they could fight against the Klingons.

As a Starfleet agent he made the new "advanced" long-range torpedoes so I think he was doing a bit more than combat training.

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Also, they didn't "wake" him. If you watch Space Seed it is clear that, as their leader, their ship was set to wake him and him alone when they were found and he would decide when/if to wake the others. It's silly to think that they happened to wake up Khan out of 73 capsules when it's already been established that the leader automatically wakes up.

Star Trek the motion picture only had one torpedo fired at the asteroid. That's about as close as it gets.

Just got the Blu-Ray collection. Going to watch that next.

Saw it yesterday. Wasn't really sure how I felt about it, to be honest. Mulled it over and came to the conclusion:

I didn't really like it.

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Ultimately, I think Khan was written lazily as a villain. They traded his intellect for something more physically impressive/invulnerable. He wasn't particularly cunning, and a lot of stuff that he did seemed to make no sense whatsoever. He was just as hollow of a character as Nero was in Star Trek (2009).

Just one man's opinion. I avoided all reviews/spoilers prior to seeing it, so I wasn't even aware that a lot of Trek fans were disappointed.

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He was supposed to be as strong as 10 men all along but TOS had trouble showing it. He crushes a phaser and Shatner pretends that he's getting thrown around the room when they fight, but he always does that. Even in Star Trek II, they pretty much only show it by having him lift a crew member with a conveniently placed handle on his space suit with no indicator of what the gravity was like on this particular planet ("should I be impressed?").

IOW, that was a failure of the previous attempts to portray him and not a difference in this version of the character.

 

[Ichinisan]

...the story is moronic, but it was a fun ride anyway.

This.

 

[Ichinisan]

in terms of kirk vs. khan, in ST:TOS they are mortal enemies, whereas here it was khan vs. Starfleet and kirk is just in the middle trying to save the day.

Well, fitting with the other

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role reversals, Kirk wanted vengeance in the 2013 film for Khan killing Pike. In the 1982 film, Khan wanted vengeance for the misery he spent in exile...and for the deaths of his wife and crew members when the colony was neglected after the nearby planet exploded (which led to the mix-up where Chekov went to survey the wrong planet).

 

[Ichinisan]

Because they renegged on their promise to wake up his family.

If he had access to them (he put them in the torpedoes), why didn't he just wake them himself?

 

[Ichinisan]

Reading tactics from a book is much different than having a general that has the balls to fight a total war.

Why didn't they make him a general then? They asked him to...make torpedoes.

 

[CZroe]

If he had access to them (he put them in the torpedoes), why didn't he just wake them himself?

He intended to after smuggling them to safety but he was caught. Still not sure how putting them in torpedoes was going to help him smuggle them.

 

[Skel]

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He was supposed to be as strong as 10 men all along but TOS had trouble showing it. He crushes a phaser and Shatner pretends that he's getting thrown around the room when they fight, but he always does that. Even in Star Trek II, they pretty much only show it by having him lift a crew member with a conveniently placed handle on his space suit with no indicator of what the gravity was like on this particular planet ("should I be impressed?").

IOW, that was a failure of the previous attempts to portray him and not a difference in this version of the character.

I don't disagree that they didn't make it as clear as they should have in Star Trek II but there were many times where he was anywhere needing to show super strength. Though there was the scene at the end of him lifting rubble off of his crew member right before blowing the ship up.

 

[Ichinisan]

He intended to after smuggling them to safety but he was caught. Still not sure how putting them in torpedoes was going to help him smuggle them.

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He would have a better chance just waking them and escaping with their superior strength and intellect. An uprising of 73 superhumans would be hard to stop. Putting them into torpedoes is probably the worst possible scenario for Khan and his crew. Admiral Marcus apparently had discovered them and their presence didn't stop him or his plans.

 

[james1701]

Was there anything after the credits, like Khan's eyes opening in the tube or something?

 

[Sonikku]

Was there anything after the credits, like Khan's eyes opening in the tube or something?

No, what happens after the credits is a scene where the Federation is hopelessly outmatched by Klingon armadas in the opening battle of the Earth/Kronos war where Kirk turns suddenly to see a tear in the fabric of space and time and Kahn comes out. Only it's not Kahn, but Kahn with a beard and curly mustache. The camera then zooms in on Kahns bearded face and he says "You need my help." Then fade to black.

😉

 

[Fritzo]

Star Trek the motion picture only had one torpedo fired at the asteroid. That's about as close as it gets.

ST IV had no ships firing 🙂

 

[Balt]

ST IV had no ships firing 🙂

A whaling boat fired a harpoon. :awe:

 

[BeeBoop]

I agree. Pretty dumb story!

 

[Fenixgoon]

A whaling boat fired a harpoon. :awe:

checkmate :awe:

 

[Paratus]

Just saw it. I liked it.

Had one thought.

Anyone ever read the ST TOS novel #29 Dreadnaught about a rogue Star Fleet Admiral who creates a Dreadnaught class star ship?

:hmm:

Edit: also fuck lindeloff