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Star Trek Discovery premieres tonight

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lxskllr said:
Yea, Discovery is a special effects fest. They can't be faulted for not looking good. All style, no substance. I'd cut the effects budget by at least 50%, and give it to some *different* writers. Really, I guess just do another show. This ship's been underway too long to change course now.
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Idk.... that never stopped them from making radical changes (for the worse mostly so far) before!

😛
 
crashtech said:
At risk of triggering the cordonbleu device, I think the ST attitude toward tech is something more like a veneration of unadulterated human achievement reinforced by mindfulness of the horrors genetic tampering produced in the past, this is well established ST lore. But as to the rest, the everyday life of a Federation citizen is a tech tour de force, they revel in it, aside from a few "Luddites" like Dr. McCoy.

I do think you are right that there is significant restraint, but to assert their outlook as "grim," that's a little over the top!
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A continuing theme in ST is the ethical, moral, and often life threatening implications of advanced technologies especially including the general dangers of good intentions or just general fumbling about with powerful tech. It's not really just about the stuff itself.

Also there are more than a few luddites (or close to it) which seems realistic across the various series.
 
crashtech said:
But as to the rest, the everyday life of a Federation citizen is a tech tour de force, they revel in it, aside from a few "Luddites" like Dr. McCoy.
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I wasn't talking so much about the people in the federation but about the outlook of the show itself,
because almost every episode is about how technology almost destroyed everything.
But even for the citizens, outside of the replicators, and the holodeck on the starships, they seldomly show them using any tech, they are always shown sitting in bistros and cafes reading books and talking, or if they are colonists they look like the people that conquered the west and have about the same amount of tech, well they do have a force field most of the times.
On the flag ship of the federation...they put up plays and concerts on real classical organs, at least on voyager they watched a movie from time to time.
Picard visited his brother and the vineyard looked like it hadn't changed since the middle ages.

But then again there aren't many episodes that show normal people in general.
 
@TheELF , I like the concept of being in a high tech environment but still being centered in what I guess you might call a traditional conception of humanity. A perfect balance of progress and tradition. Decidedly not what devotees of the Singularity envision.
 
lxskllr said:
Yea, Discovery is a special effects fest. They can't be faulted for not looking good. All style, no substance. I'd cut the effects budget by at least 50%, and give it to some *different* writers. Really, I guess just do another show. This ship's been underway too long to change course now.
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This “no substance” jeeebus 🙂. There is long running intricate plots and they take on some of the hardest philosophical questions and come up with some suggestions… I specially like that latest with its take on how alien life may also look like and we’d struggle to find enough common ground to actually meaningfully communicate.
So there is some kisses and love and feelings.
Yall not modern men, you stuck in the past 🙂.

I enjoyed Picard as well though the whole Q thing is…. lazy writing 😉
 
cytg111 said:
This “no substance” jeeebus 🙂. There is long running intricate plots and they take on some of the hardest philosophical questions and come up with some suggestions… I specially like that latest with its take on how alien life may also look like and we’d struggle to find enough common ground to actually meaningfully communicate.
So there is some kisses and love and feelings.
Yall not modern men, you stuck in the past 🙂.

I enjoyed Picard as well though the whole Q thing is…. lazy writing 😉
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Yeah, I also don't know where the "no substance" rap is coming from. An alien race that doesn't look like a human with makeup and doesn't speak perfect English (thanks to a Universal Translator that is everywhere a person is standing)? What a concept!
 
The stories on paper are good. It's the way they get from one end to the other that sucks. The world's ending, and they're giving some tear laden speech. Who the fuck does that?! That's like losing control of your car, you're sliding on ice to a cliff ledge, and you stop everything to reminisce with your wife, and talk about how awesome prom was 20 years ago. It's bullshit drama that doesn't belong. These are supposed to be quasi military professionals. They operate with all the precision of a bunch of kids in Chuck E Cheese's ball pit.
 
Ketchup said:
Yeah, I also don't know where the "no substance" rap is coming from. An alien race that doesn't look like a human with makeup and doesn't speak perfect English (thanks to a Universal Translator that is everywhere a person is standing)? What a concept!
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That actually took me back to a book I read as a kid, the black cloud by Fred Hoyle. I like it.
 
lxskllr said:
The stories on paper are good. It's the way they get from one end to the other that sucks. The world's ending, and they're giving some tear laden speech. Who the fuck does that?! That's like losing control of your car, you're sliding on ice to a cliff ledge, and you stop everything to reminisce with your wife, and talk about how awesome prom was 20 years ago. It's bullshit drama that doesn't belong. These are supposed to be quasi military professionals. They operate with all the precision of a bunch of kids in Chuck E Cheese's ball pit.
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You want Trek to die with us or you wanna recruit a new generation? Trek doesnt belong to us, it belongs to everyone.

😉
 
Ketchup said:
Yeah, I also don't know where the "no substance" rap is coming from. An alien race that doesn't look like a human with makeup and doesn't speak perfect English (thanks to a Universal Translator that is everywhere a person is standing)? What a concept!
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I can't even tell if you are being sarcastic because this has been the main story of many startrek episodes, the pilot of TNG was about a space alien that was too different to communicate with that was abused to sustain a space station.
In an other diana troy was starman-ed so an alien could experience the human being because there would be no other way for it to do so.
Also Darmok (and Jalad) , although they had people in makeup, dealt with an alien species that had such a different concept of speech that the universal translator couldn't deal with it.
Ketchup said:
(thanks to a Universal Translator that is everywhere a person is standing) ?
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If it's not the main one on the ships bridge it's a handheld device or later on an in-ear-piece that everyone that deals with aliens wears. It's like google translate, you can have it on your smartphone with a Bluetooth bud in your ear.
 
cytg111 said:
You want Trek to die with us or you wanna recruit a new generation? Trek doesnt belong to us, it belongs to everyone.

😉
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Trek died long ago, It's dead Jim.
This is sci-fi action drama: The Series.
Just because they call it trek doesn't make it trek.
If the episode doesn't end with the captain giving a heart felt speech that resolves the conflict or wraps up the ethical dilemma it's not trek.
 
I hate giving Elon props but..

"I don't think we should try to have people live for a really long time. That it would cause asphyxiation of society because the truth is, most people don't change their mind, They just die. So, if they don't die, we will be stuck with old ideas and society wouldn't advance."

- Evolve or die people 🙂.
 
Racan said:
Evolve by watching better written sci fi shows like the Expanse.
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The Expanse was my favorite Sci-Fi show since SG1. No longer produced, although I hear there will be another series.

Discovery and Picard are decent. Not on the same level as The Expanse. Too many overly emotional moments that come off as cringy to me. They try to cater to a broader audience. The Expanse audience was more focused.
 
guidryp said:
It's a TV show for shits sake. We aren't required to like what you like.

I have much better thing to do that watch a bad actress ugly cry for 40 minutes.
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Lets realign expectations here, half, three quarters, here is me taking a piss. Its just non consequential opinion that can in no way alter my perception of anyones core persona.
Its just a laugh. 🙂.
 
AdamK47 said:
The Expanse was my favorite Sci-Fi show since SG1. No longer produced, although I hear there will be another series.

Discovery and Picard are decent. Not on the same level as The Expanse. Too many overly emotional moments that come off as cringy to me. They try to cater to a broader audience. The Expanse audience was more focused.
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In future you can save some time and simply refer to these as "the feels"!

😉
 
cytg111 said:
The Expanse sits on the Iron Throne IMO. No contest.
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It certainly shows relatively near-future advanced space-travel in the most realistic light I've ever seen in a movie or a series.

Before this the only times I've seen anything more than a cursory mention of "G-force acceleration/deceleration" limitations for what folks can survive has been in sci-fi novels.... video gets "dumbed down".

My favorite sci-fi series overall for the writing/story however was Babylon 5. (despite the very dated CGI)
 
Captante said:
It certainly shows relatively near-future advanced space-travel in the most realistic light I've ever seen in a movie or a series.

Before this the only times I've seen anything more than a cursory mention of "G-force acceleration/deceleration" limitations for what folks can survive has been in sci-fi novels.... video gets "dumbed down".

My favorite sci-fi series overall for the writing/story however was Babylon 5. (despite the very dated CGI)
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Even the newest additions to the Star Wards franchise still have space vehicles "floating on air" in outer space... Its ridiculous.
 
cytg111 said:
Even the newest additions to the Star Wards franchise still have space vehicles "floating on air" in outer space... Its ridiculous.
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How about Trek's "magical" inertial-dampening? 😛

I suppose at least they bothered to try to explain how everyone wasn't instantly vaporized when the ship jumped to warp!
 
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