Star Trek (2009) - OFFICIAL REVIEW THREAD

[Agentbolt]

FWIW, the reason the Romulan Mining vessel is so badass in the film is explained in some Prequel comic they wrote to bridge the events between Nemesis and Spock's real time. The Nadron or whatever it's called got commandeered, and Nero stole a bunch of "Borg Weaponry" that made it a lethal killing machine even in the late 24th century.

Which means the Enterprise shooting down all of the projectiles like it did, or the Kelvin taking the beating it did for as long as it did, makes even less sense than it did before, but whatever. Sulu is a ninja now! Woohoo!!

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Plot hole: Young Spock mentions that Vulcans and Romulans share a common ancestry, but this was unknown until the original series episode "Balance of Terror," when the crew got the Federation's first look at a Romulan.

 

[JEDI]

so w/nimoy's spock living in the past, that means advanced weapons for the federation?

transwarp drive
quantum torps
Galaxy class warships next year
Enterprise-E in 5years instead of 125years?
conquer of klingon and romulan empires
etc
etc

 

[Newbian]

Did the federation even get transwarp drives working?

 

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: JEDI
so w/nimoy's spock living in the past, that means advanced weapons for the federation?

transwarp drive
quantum torps
Galaxy class warships next year
Enterprise-E in 5years instead of 125years?
conquer of klingon and romulan empires
etc
etc

Unless spock was the engineer on those projects, or has advanced knowledge, i doubt it.


If you went back in time 200 years, could you advise american engineers how to create an Uzi Machinegun or a Phoenix Long Range Missile? Just because someone from the future goes back in time, doesnt mean they bring the knowledge back with them to create weaponry..

 

[Newbian]

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: JEDI
so w/nimoy's spock living in the past, that means advanced weapons for the federation?

transwarp drive
quantum torps
Galaxy class warships next year
Enterprise-E in 5years instead of 125years?
conquer of klingon and romulan empires
etc
etc

Unless spock was the engineer on those projects, or has advanced knowledge, i doubt it.


If you went back in time 200 years, could you advise american engineers how to create an Uzi Machinegun or a Phoenix Long Range Missile? Just because someone from the future goes back in time, doesnt mean they bring the knowledge back with them to create weaponry..

Then again spock knew the way to warp people lights years away that we never saw before so who knows.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The only reason the Federations runs into the Borg is due to Q sending them half way across the galaxy. Without Q showing up the borg are probably 100+ years away from Fed space.

Not actually true. The Borg showed up in Federation space before the Q episode.

 

[Newbian]

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The only reason the Federations runs into the Borg is due to Q sending them half way across the galaxy. Without Q showing up the borg are probably 100+ years away from Fed space.

Not actually true. The Borg showed up in Federation space before the Q episode.

But only because of a time warp... 😉

 

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: Newbian

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The only reason the Federations runs into the Borg is due to Q sending them half way across the galaxy. Without Q showing up the borg are probably 100+ years away from Fed space.

Not actually true. The Borg showed up in Federation space before the Q episode.

But only because of a time warp... 😉

Was the Borg appearance during the ENTERPRISE episode a timewarp? i dont remember the specifics on the ep..

 

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: Newbian

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The only reason the Federations runs into the Borg is due to Q sending them half way across the galaxy. Without Q showing up the borg are probably 100+ years away from Fed space.

Not actually true. The Borg showed up in Federation space before the Q episode.

But only because of a time warp... 😉

Was the Borg appearance during the ENTERPRISE episode a timewarp? i dont remember the specifics on the ep..

Never mind... just found the info..

In the Enterprise episode "Regeneration", the remnants of the destroyed sphere from Star Trek: First Contact are discovered in the Arctic. Once unearthed, the Borg quickly revive and steal an unarmed research ship, modifying it to match Starfleet technology in a matter of hours. The drones manage to send a transmission toward the Delta Quadrant before they are destroyed. According to dialogue, their transmission would reach its destination in 200 years, essentially establishing a closed time loop with the events of "Q Who", explaining why the cube in the latter episode was already en route to Earth. Although the Borg never identify themselves as such in dialog, the episode's events prompt characters to allude to Zefram Cochrane's claims that "strange cybernetic creatures from the future" tried to interfere with first contact.

 

[BladeVenom]

Trekkies Bash New Star Trek Film as "Fun, Watchable"

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
Trekkies Bash New Star Trek Film as "Fun, Watchable"

That was great.

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: zerocool84
Some of you guys are giving an 8/10 or 9/10 but siting plot holes galore. Doesn't compute.

Exactly. I mentioned elsewhere that with summer blockbusters, when they have huge plot holes but excellent action, the big name critics give these movies mediocre scores, while geeks like us and lesser known critics may give higher scores.

It's very different with Star Trek. It's getting good reviews all around, yet even the reviewers themselves say you have to ignore the plot, because it's gobbledygook. They go on to say that Nero is a lame villain, yet still heartily recommend the movie as the best thing since sliced bread.

Does not compute for me either.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think it's a bad movie. I just don't think it worth anywhere near a 96% on RT. Maybe I was just expecting too much... like a well written storyline.

 

[Shadowknight]

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The only reason the Federations runs into the Borg is due to Q sending them half way across the galaxy. Without Q showing up the borg are probably 100+ years away from Fed space.

Not actually true. The Borg showed up in Federation space before the Q episode.

Originally the planet-scooping weapon was used by the Ferengi, but the writers decided that it didn't fit them and reassigned that weapon to the Borg.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

For anyone mentioning the series Enterprise, that is not considered to be part of regular Star Trek continuity.

 

[todpod]

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: IsLNdbOi
I was kind of surprised to see "Industrial Light & Magic - A Lucasfilm Company" listed in the ending credits.

Yeah I lol'd at that 😀

Nothing after the credits tho 🙁

You do realize ILM has been involved with Star Trek since at least The Wrath of Khan

STII

 

[Madwand1]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
Trekkies Bash New Star Trek Film as "Fun, Watchable"

The following video explains it all though -- jump to around 8:30, the point is made at around 9:45.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...9dak&feature=topvideos

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
RT Score: 96% / 91%

T-Meter Critics: 212 (203:9)
Top Critics: 35 (32:3)
Avg. Rating: 8.1/10.0

Consensus: Star Trek reignites a classic franchise with action, humor, a strong story, and brilliant visuals, and will please traditional Trekkies and new fans alike.

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IMDB User Rating: 8.4/10.0 (3,939 votes)

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Metacritic Score: 84/100

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My comments / reviews start on page 2 (after thread post #100).

it was good till the deus ex machina.
ie: Scotty comes and saves the day

spock was capt. he relieved himself because of emotional problems. kirk becaome capt. spock comes back to active duty. WHY IS NOT CAPTAIN AGAIN?!

kirk was a cadet. he becomes 1st officer by order of capt pike.
then star fleet makes him a real captain?!
cadet to capt in 3 simple steps. SIGH...

yup.. just as i expected from a Star Trek movie... PLOT HOLES GALORE

Hi, I overthink things, so have a hard time enjoying anything.

You were that kid in 1st grade during story time that kept interrupting saying "The amount of wood to heat an oven big enough to cook two children would not have been able to been gathered by a single old witch, and the heat would have burned her gingerbread house...not to mention if it rained the house would collapse!"

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: hofan41
way way WAY worse than the reviews suggested. this movie definitely did not deserve the 90+% on rottentomatoes. it all started going downhill when old spock was able to wave off mega-giant snow monster with a freaking torch. COME ON NOW!

Hmm....snow...fire....seems logical to me.

 

[RadioHead84]

It was a fun movie. It was funny, and it had action, and it was a space movie themed with star trek which is cool.

But some irks.

1. Uhora and Spok..that was way to abrupt and felt strange
2. Terrible pick for a russion
3. The ending with the speach from spok

Plot hole problems:

1. So nero and spok went back in time. Nero showed up 25 years earlier than spok. Nero attacks the Enterprise with kirk's dad looking for spok but learns he is 25 years earlier. Nero's ship gets jacked up by the kamikazi enterprise. SO. Giant romulan space ship from the future shows up and is floating in space damaged. The federation doesn't come to investigate more or try to stop them right there and then? They forget about the whole ordeal for 25 years? Nero hangs around in space for 25 years illuding everyone else in neighboring systems to return at the exact time that spok shows up? How did he know spok was showing up then? Mega awesome ship that appeared in the same fashion 25 years later is totally forgotton except by kirk? This is the major problem with the firlm for me.

2. Why are there no planetary defense sytems. Like, ok, nero's ship destroyed all ships in the system..ok fine..but you are telling me there is no shuttle on the surface that has a single weapon that could shoot at the drill?

3. Wouldn't creating black wholes all willy nilly like totally throw off orbits and gravitational pulls of other objects.



3.

 

[stag3]

1. the survivors knew kirk rammed the ship into the mining ship, maybe they assumed he destroyed/disabled it, but yea they still should have mentioned something when they were back @ starfleet

2. i think they relied on the starbase and starships

3. i would think so

 

[imported_Imp]

Originally posted by: RadioHead84

3. Wouldn't creating black wholes all willy nilly like totally throw off orbits and gravitational pulls of other objects.

Hey hey, we're not trying to bring the "ribbon" anywhere, so we don't have to take that into account.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: hofan41
way way WAY worse than the reviews suggested. this movie definitely did not deserve the 90+% on rottentomatoes. it all started going downhill when old spock was able to wave off mega-giant snow monster with a freaking torch. COME ON NOW!

Hmm....snow...fire....seems logical to me.

Most animals are terrified of fire. Its probably the only reason humans didn't go extinct.

This movie certainly had some plot holes and a few dumb parts, but a lot of the snipes people are taking are actually explained in the movie or made sense. I acknowledge it had a fast pace, but if you're going to shit on something for pretty minor crap at least get it right.

 

[Bateluer]

I saw the movie today. It was good right up until they destroyed Vulcan and you realized that time travel was involved. Seriously, can they not do a Star Trek story without time travel?

The actors were excellent though, Chris Pine did a fantastic job as Kirk.

 

[Doggiedog]

Just came back from watching the movie.

I liked it!

Besides what was mentioned, I didn't understand was how the Enterprise was only a few minutes behind Nero's ship when they went to Earth. Shouldn't Nero's ship have transwarp or warp 10 while the Enterprise only have warp 4 max? Wouldn't they realistically be days or weeks behind Nero?