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Star Citizen Development Discussion (Is Derek Smart Right?)

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SLU Aequitas

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SLU Aequitas

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Thank you.
I find interesting this post from user Karlias on rededit:


So my question would be is there reddit where people are more lets say neutral with their opinions about star citizen?
Define "neutral".

If we're talking about accepting and bringing up valid (i.e. substantiated) criticism of SC, I'd say the SC subreddit is a good place (just look at the upvotes regarding criticism over their horrible livestreams). If we're talking SA level JPEG redacted? SA or the Elite Dangerous SC thread have got you covered.



No profanity in the tech forums.


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JSt0rm

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No, not at all, the spirit of a forum is to have open communication between all members and voice differing opinions as we are clearly doing right now, there's nothing at all wrong with that. I'm talking about ridiculous photoshop garbage, jabs at other people's comments without actually returning anything constructive (or even making a point), and generally just trying to shut the conversation down by using the comment thread as a bludgeon instead of at least a soapbox.
We don't need to provide you with a safe space. You aren't being forced to read the thread.
 

werepossum

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On the flip side, are Derek Smart's games any good? Can't say I have ever played one. I saw where he was removing Line of Defense from Steam because it earned only two stars, but sadly, review bombing is a major thing today. Too many people have too little integrity.
 

JSt0rm

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On the flip side, are Derek Smart's games any good? Can't say I have ever played one. I saw where he was removing Line of Defense from Steam because it earned only two stars, but sadly, review bombing is a major thing today. Too many people have too little integrity.

He has a core group of people that enjoy his games. Think 300 page manual to play some of them. Reminder he makes games similar to sc so he kinda knows what hes talking about. Thats why he had a initial blog that talked about the feature creep and why it was bad. CIG then refunded his money for the game and said something about him. He then turned on the internet warlord and has dropped the bomb on them ever since. Its been fun.
 
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He has a core group of people that enjoy his games. Think 300 page manual to play some of them. Reminder he makes games similar to sc so he kinda knows what hes talking about. Thats why he had a initial blog that talked about the feature creep and why it was bad. CIG then refunded his money for the game and said something about him. He then turned on the internet warlord and has dropped the bomb on them ever since. Its been fun.
That initial blog post was nothing more than a stream of adverts for his own games. "They can't succeed, I tried and it doesn't work. By the way, come check out my own line of games..." He tried to turn a cool idea into a video game and failed. Now he seems obsessively upset that the Star Citizen team is actually doing what he failed to do. The man is literally crazy, anyone who doesn't see that either doesn't know enough about him or is pushing an agenda.
 

SLU Aequitas

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Derek Smart is an absolute joke "Tier 1" reject. He's not a developer, he's a narcissistic windbag that has never made a non bug ridden piece of software (it really needs to be somewhat fun to be called a game). He has tried his best to scam others (see LoD and refund refusals, see BC3K 2.0).

The closest thing to entertainment this "3 degrees" failure has produced has been his twitter feed (and usenet before that).

His whole life will be a sad case study for a psych major, if anyone were to actually care.

And sorry for the swear before, sometimes I confuse this thread with OT/P&N.

Source: https://reddit.com/r/DerekSmart
 

SLU Aequitas

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Neutral - opinion which is not colored with worshiping of Derek Smart or Cris Roberts and comes from people which think with their own head and bring good valid points about the development of star citizen.
Then you will find quite a few good topics on the Star Citizen subreddit (you'll have to ignore some fluff threads). Much, much better than the official forums, which I do not visit.

Seriously, go look at some of the top responses to the most recent ATV, there's quite a bit of criticism.
 

JSt0rm

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Derek Smart is an absolute joke "Tier 1" reject. He's not a developer, he's a narcissistic windbag that has never made a non bug ridden piece of software (it really needs to be somewhat fun to be called a game). He has tried his best to scam others (see LoD and refund refusals, see BC3K 2.0).

The closest thing to entertainment this "3 degrees" failure has produced has been his twitter feed (and usenet before that).

His whole life will be a sad case study for a psych major, if anyone were to actually care.

And sorry for the swear before, sometimes I confuse this thread with OT/P&N.

Source: https://reddit.com/r/DerekSmart
Horrible source
 
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JSt0rm

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The sickening truths have been revealed only today, and invigilation teams are still investigating the truths without setting foot in the galactic space of this sickening empire.
 

preslove

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The whole "derek smart is bad" line of argument is pathetic. Even if he's a terrible developer, that doesn't mean Chris Roberts is a great one. Every great critic is a failed artist. Even a bad writer is correct in saying 50 shades of grey is a terrible novel. Derek has been mostly self funded, too, so his making shitty games is far less of a problem than Roberts burning almost $150 million of random people's money with his incompetence.

And the release of Battlecruiser was done by Derek's publisher by breaking their contract, after which he sued, got a settlement and the ability to patch the game.. LOD games are on steam and have automatic refunds. SC only began giving easy refunds ****after**** Smart began his campaign and alerted various government offices.

So, if you think "derek smart is a bad person" is a valid argument, you should really take step back and try to learn basic critical thinking skills. Also, if you think a subreddit made specifically to attack one person is a good source of information on that person, you are incapable of basic information assessment.
 

JSt0rm

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Yeah DS patched that game on his own time and dime because of the evil publishers. He has knowledge of trying to make the EXACT type of game christ roberts has said he could make. And now everyone wants to discount him. The guy has done more them most people.
 

Dannar26

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In the last 500 years, the Fourth Stimpire has...snip
...come again?

Yeah DS patched that game on his own time and dime because of the evil publishers. He has knowledge of trying to make the EXACT type of game christ roberts has said he could make. And now everyone wants to discount him. The guy has done more them most people.
Be that as it may, it's quite obvious that he's emotionally committed to trashing SC to a level of dedication most people reserve for spouses and children. He doesn't seem credible most of the time. With him it's confusing to discern where honest critique ends and hateful ranting begins.
 

JSt0rm

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...come again?



Be that as it may, it's quite obvious that he's emotionally committed to trashing SC to a level of dedication most people reserve for spouses and children. He doesn't seem credible most of the time. With him it's confusing to discern where honest critique ends and hateful ranting begins.

DS is one of those guys who when poked drops nukes on you. CIG would of done well to ignore him initially and let him post his single blog about the game. Instead they publicly refunded his money and talked about him being a failed developer. Oops. Big mistake. CIG needed a real publicists but as we can see they dont do anything right.
 

Dannar26

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Yeah, no arguments there. I guess CR doesn't have a relative or a spouse that works in PR, huh?
 

preslove

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He wrote one blog post and then SC people starting attacking him relentlessly. Death threats, publishing his address, constant attacks on twitter. CR & others also attacked him endlessly. Smart is semi-retired and likes conflict. He has the time, lawyers on retainer, experience with lawsuits, and the personality to go after people.

CR turned Smart into a conspiracy theory to explain everything away. Consider the escapist article that was sourced with former employees. Chris Roberts wrote an insane rant response that is the most unprofessional thing I've ever read from someone in charge of a 7 figure budget, let alone a 9 figure one. Instead of addressing ANYTHING in the article, he asserts with no evidence that Smart was behind everything (libeling and slut shaming the author of the article along the way). He threatens to sue, but never followed through when they refused to retract.

Smart really went into high gear after this. This is when SA became really anti-SC. And, btw, I became convinced that the project was fubar (and that CR is a coke head) when I read through his insane rant.

Anyone who doesn't understand that Roberts' response letter pretty much confirmed the veracity of the article has low social intelligence.
 

JSt0rm

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low social intelligence people are the ones who have been preyed upon by sandy and co. They are literally praying for the day they can have no contact with the outside world and live out their fantasy in a space based mmo that allows you to do anything, has perfect graphics and has unlimited play styles. All of this will be done in 2 weeks.
 

Dannar26

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This is what worries me most. When you're a public figure, it doesn't serve you to get baited into fighting over every silly comment made about you or your project. The lack of discipline in this matter is, I feel, telling about how things are being managed at CIG. It's never good to act like you've got something to prove. If you've got the best game EVAR, and things are progressing at an acceptable rate, then you should just sit back secure in your knowledge that the naysayers are wrong.

They should have let DS roll off their shoulders....
 

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