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Standard "critique my upgrades"

1. What YOUR PC will be used for. That means what types of tasks you'll be performing.

I'm interested in gaming competitively and I mostly play l4d2. Future-proofing is a significant, but not huge (maybe 20%) concern. I'm the guy who puts all the graphics on the lowest settings first thing after installing a new game: I want the highest framerate possible. Additionally, I use chess engines to analyze my tournament games, but I already know that the chip I have picked out is excellent for that. However, chess engines will account for why I am serious about maximizing the number of cores, within my budget.

2. What YOUR budget is. A price range is acceptable as long as it's not more than a 20% spread

My budget is about $800. I will consider being flexible if I can get something hugely better by putting in another $100 or so, but that would be a firm limit.

3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from.

Buying parts in California. Newegg charges me sales tax; Amazon, Tigerdirect do not.

4. IF YOU have a brand preference. That means, are you an Intel-Fanboy, AMD-Fanboy, ATI-Fanboy, nVidia-Fanboy, Seagate-Fanboy, WD-Fanboy, etc.

I'm not hugely loyal to Intel, but I get the sense that the wind has been blowing in their direction for a few years. I am very loyal to nVidia for their linux driver support; I will, at some point, be dual-booting linux on this system.

5. If YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts, and if so, what those parts are.

I'm going to be recycling some parts: case, PSU, PCI-e sound card, and hard drives. The rest (mobo, chip, vga, ram) are new.

6. IF YOU have searched and/or read similar threads.

I've read some articles on anandtech and tomshardware, but haven't paid close attention to guides in this forum. Sorry.

7. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds.

Default by default (lol?), but if you tell me that overclocking is easy and safe, I will likely try it. Most fps possible within the budget, remember.

8. What resolution YOU plan on gaming with.

Usually lower resolution. I wouldn't mind some flexibility on this, as I do play single player games occasionally, but it is not a priority.

9. WHEN do you plan to build it?

I plan to pull the trigger this month, maybe mid-January at the latest.

10. Don't ask for a build configuration critique or rating if you are thin skinned.

Do your worst!

Intel Core i7 950 3.06GHz 8M L3 Cache LGA1366 Desktop Processor - $294.99

Corsair TR3X6G1333C9 XMS3 6 GB 3 x 2 GB PC3-10666 1333MHz 240-Pin DDR3 Core i7 Memory Kit - $74.99

Gigabyte LGA1366 SATA3 ATI CrossFireX ATX Motherboard GA-X58A-UD3R - $190.99

EVGA 01G-P3-1366-TR GeForce GTX 460 SE (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card - $159.99

Total: $720.96

Concerns: The mobo is out of stock on Amazon, but I don't know of any reason to expect a long wait. But do I really need that exact model? Alternatives? Also, the video card is on Newegg, hence sales tax of $13, but there weren't any comparable deals. Other input?
 
GTX 460 SE
God no. This is slower than the 768MB (full) GTX 460 that can be had for $120.

For a budget build you're spending waaaay too much on x58. Go Lynnfield with an i5. If the chess engine really makes use of hyperthreading, the Lynnfield i7 870 would still save you $100 in motherboard costs.
 
This is horribly unbalanced.

1. you can do much better gaming with a i5 760 for $200

2. XMS3 6GB should be swapped for GSkill 4GB DDR3 1333 for $50

3. Swap for a lga 1156 for around $100

4. Use savings from above to buy a 570 for $350! It's by far the most important part in a gaming build.
 
I wouldn't recommend a Biostar Mobo, but the rest looks good. I would get a 570 before I would get a 5870 and 8GB RAM, given no game will use it yet.

EDIT: The OP also says he's loyal to NVidia.
 
Thanks, I'll play with some scenarios and report back with a revision. Note that as Davidh noticed, ati video cards are out of the question, however.

Edit: Also, I'd prefer to avoid Newegg as they charge me CA sales tax. Amazon is preferred. I'll see what, of what you suggested, is available there.
 
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OP: i5 760, generic mobo, generic RAM, GTX 570.
Computer.

It's mainly performance for his coin, what's wrong with that? He could get a 580, or 470 in SLI if that would make you feel better 🙂.

Oh, and OP, what is your PSU? It might be too low for this build.
 
It's mainly performance for his coin, what's wrong with that? He could get a 580, or 470 in SLI if that would make you feel better 🙂.

Oh, and OP, what is your PSU? It might be too low for this build.

I should have had that on hand before posting this thread. I'll double-check when I get home. Two points, before I rework this:

1- Why is it 'boring' to stick to nvidia cards? Is ATi that much better right now?

2- Chess engines actually hate hyperthreading. I have it on personal authority from the author of the best one that he wants you to turn hyperthreading off in the bios before you run his software. Go figure. I guess that's another strike against my mistaken confidence in that chip.
 
Why does that make it "boring"?

I like doing full builds because altering one variable alters others. As CPU goes up in performance, video card can go up without being bottlenecked, but then you have to make a jump in PSU. SLI/Crossfire can be incredible deals but then you have to have budget room for a SLI/Crossfire motherboard.

It's an interesting puzzle to work out the best price/performance for a given budget.
But you took out pretty much all the permutations. All you're looking for is mobo/processor/video card/RAM, and your Linux use not only takes out ATi but means SLI GTX 460's is an iffy proposition. GTX 470 is a space heater so that just leaves GTX 570.

So it's:
i7 Lynnfield
or
i5 Lynnfield
or
i7 x58

...with a GTX 570.

Boring.
 
"Better" is a relative term.

Right now, you should be asking yourself how important extra frames are to you. Pricing is in line with performance right now between the two companies. The list goes like this lowest to highest performance.

GTX 450 - $120

Radeon 5770 - $120

Radeon 4830 (dumb card to buy)

GTX 460 - $180

GTX 465 - $200 (stupid card to buy)

Radeon 6850 - $200

Radeon 5850 - $230 (tad on the expensive side for performance imo)

GTX 470 - $260

Radeon 5870 - $280

GTX 570 - $350

Radeon 5970 - $700+

GTX 480 - $500

GTX 580 - $550

Coming soon is the new high end AMD cards (69xx) which are supposed to be better than the 5xx from NVidia, but they are likely to be in the $400-$500 range.
 
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Here's another try. All from amazon:

EVGA GeForce GTX 570 1280MB GDDR5 PCI-Express 2.0 Graphics Card with Lifetime Warranty 012-P3-1570-AR - $349.95

Corsair 4GB Dual Channel Corsair DDR3 Memory for Intel Core i5 Processors (CMX4GX3M2A1600C9) - $59.99

Intel Core i7/i5 LGA1156 4DDR3-2200 CrossFireX/GBE/Raid/SATA3/USB3.0/7.1-CH ATX Motherboard GA-P55A-UD3 - $144.94

Intel Core i5-760 2.8GHz 8 MB LGA1156 Processor BX80605I5760 - $204.99

Edit: You both replied while I was composing this. Thanks again for your detailed feed back, this is a big help. Jury is still out on the PSU, but I will wiggle on that if it turns out to be necessary.
 
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Ok, so they definitely didn't blow NVodia out of the water, but they are definitely worth taking a look at for $350. The 6970 and 570 seem to butt heads and they're the same price.
 
Excellent motherboard, but there is a "better" one with 6GB/s SATA with this combo

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...D=3332167&SID=

Okay, but is it $40 worth of better, considering that sales tax wipes out the $20 discount?


You guys sure do love your ATi cards huh? 🙂 My understanding from your post on it was that with either ATi or nvidia, you get what you pay for. That left me thinking I should stick with nvidia within my budget due to linux compatibility. Am I wrong?

Also, do you think the other picks are along the right lines? I'm firming this up here.
 
Okay, but is it $40 worth of better, considering that sales tax wipes out the $20 discount?

there is no sales tax on newegg that I am aware of...

You guys sure do love your ATi cards huh? My understanding from your post on it was that with either ATi or nvidia, you get what you pay for. That left me thinking I should stick with nvidia within my budget due to linux compatibility. Am I wrong?

I prefer NVidia actually because I use Cuda for rendering. I just figured you'd want to compare and contrast since the 6970 gets about the same framerates as the 570 at 1920 x 1200 and lower and they were the same price. I do however love computer hardware, and from my understanding this launch was supposed to crush NVidia's cards. It did not end up being as great as they made it sound...

Here is the bench

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4061/amds-radeon-hd-6970-radeon-hd-6950
 
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there is no sales tax on newegg that I am aware of...
You must not live in California. 🙂



I prefer NVidia actually because I use Cuda for rendering. I just figured you'd want to compare and contrast since the 6970 gets about the same framerates as the 570 at 1920 x 1200 and lower and they were the same price. I do however love computer hardware, and from my understanding this launch was supposed to crush NVidia's cards. It did not end up being as great as they made it sound...

Here is the bench

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4061/amds-radeon-hd-6970-radeon-hd-6950

Thanks, I think I'll stick with the other setup. What do you think I need as a minimum, PSU wise, to power this thing?
 
with a 570 I'd say 600W, but go with 650 to be safe. (I know I'm beginning to sound fanboyish, but) If you go with an AMD card like the 6870 then you could probably pull of a 520W as long as it has good efficiency and it isn't like... 5 years old. AMD has better efficiency for sure, but a 570 is going to give you nearly 30% more frames per second.
 

Actually, if you wanted to make me happy you would just pick out motherboards and not mention CFX or SLI. 😛

Here's another try. All from amazon:

EVGA GeForce GTX 570 1280MB GDDR5 PCI-Express 2.0 Graphics Card with Lifetime Warranty 012-P3-1570-AR - $349.95

Corsair 4GB Dual Channel Corsair DDR3 Memory for Intel Core i5 Processors (CMX4GX3M2A1600C9) - $59.99

Intel Core i7/i5 LGA1156 4DDR3-2200 CrossFireX/GBE/Raid/SATA3/USB3.0/7.1-CH ATX Motherboard GA-P55A-UD3 - $144.94

Intel Core i5-760 2.8GHz 8 MB LGA1156 Processor BX80605I5760 - $204.99

Edit: You both replied while I was composing this. Thanks again for your detailed feed back, this is a big help. Jury is still out on the PSU, but I will wiggle on that if it turns out to be necessary.

Looks like David and Dominion talked you out of that 1366 i7 nonsense. 🙂

Anyway this build looks good except for the memory. You'll want to be a 1.5V or below for a Nehalem-based processor. Also, since you won't be overclocking, you might as well save some money and get DDR3 1333.

Thanks, I think I'll stick with the other setup. What do you think I need as a minimum, PSU wise, to power this thing?

A good quality 550W-650W unit will be fine.
 
but a 570 is going to give you nearly 30% more frames per second.
You're doing a bad job of talking me out of the 570 😛 A 30% bump plus linux compatibility is huge for me, and well worth the money for another PSU. Case closed.

Looks like David and Dominion talked you out of that 1366 i7 nonsense. 🙂

Anyway this build looks good except for the memory. You'll want to be a 1.5V or below for a Nehalem-based processor. Also, since you won't be overclocking, you might as well save some money and get DDR3 1333.
A little bird told me to avoid sticks without heatsinks on them. Confirm/deny?
 
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