St. Louis Passes Sweeping Car Confiscation Ordinance

[Mermaidman]

Originally posted by: torpid
Can someone point out the clause or amendment in the constitution which grants me the right to have 11 speakers and forbids cities from disallowing it? I'm just curious where that notion came from, because I'm fairly certain you will find no such wording anywhere.

Generally speaking, isn't the US gov't based on the concept of "If it ain't disallowed, it's acceptable?" So I could argue that the Constitution does NOT disallow loud car stereos

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Queasy
They could have skipped the installation and possession bit and just gone with the noise ordnance bit. I'm tired of the idiots thinking they are cool with the booming cars but I don't see any reason to make it illegal to own the speakers.

:thumbsup: I agree with this guy.

Originally posted by: acemcmac
Premium sound systems are a necessity if you're going to be on the highway with the windows down, but it's not like anyone else can hear you over the wind noise

Why would you drive down the highway with your windows open? Do you like having hurricane force winds slapping you in the face?

Anyway, it's not on the highways that there is a problem, it's on the streets.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: torpid
Can someone point out the clause or amendment in the constitution which grants me the right to have 11 speakers and forbids cities from disallowing it? I'm just curious where that notion came from, because I'm fairly certain you will find no such wording anywhere.

Amendment IV:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

I bolded the relevant parts for you :roll:

How would you like your car to be declared illegal next month and siezed without your input...

Which does not apply. If the police have a warrant and found that you have violated the law, then they can seize your property. There is nothing unconstitutional about this. The only real legal test of such an ordinance is about the law itself, not about the seizure.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Mermaidman

Originally posted by: torpid
Can someone point out the clause or amendment in the constitution which grants me the right to have 11 speakers and forbids cities from disallowing it? I'm just curious where that notion came from, because I'm fairly certain you will find no such wording anywhere.

Generally speaking, isn't the US gov't based on the concept of "If it ain't disallowed, it's acceptable?" So I could argue that the Constitution does NOT disallow loud car stereos

Originally posted by: Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Of course, that's all but meaningless anymore. Did I say all but meaningless? I meant entirely meaningless.

I'm curious as to why they chose to prohibit a certain number of speakers when they almost surely have a noise ordinance already. I don't believe these people are THAT stupid, so there must be some underlying reason that we're not aware of (not that that would make it right)

 

[George P Burdell]

Please move all constitutional debate to P&N.

 

[jjones]

What in the world does the number of speakers have to do with music being played loud? Don't they have a noise ordinance? Why don't they just enforce that instead of trying to confiscate people's property for no good reason? Jesus Christ, this sounds like legislation made up by a bunch of junior high school vice principals.

 

[ATLien247]

Cross St. Louis off cities in which I would consider living...

No, wait a minute. It was never on my list!