St. Joes goes 27-0! Win Final Four?

[Soccer55]

With the toughest teams left on their schedule being Rhode Island and Temple, I see no reason for them not to go undefeated during the regular season. As far as the tournament goes, I think St. Joe's will be a Sweet 16 or Elite 8 team, but I don't think they're good enough to make the Final Four. They will likely be the weakest of the #1 seeds due to the fact that they play in a weak conference and do not have that great of an out of conference schedule. They have some solid wins over Gonzaga, BC, and Villanova (all by 10 pts or less), but they are in the woeful A-10 conference so they have to play teams like Fordham, St. Bonaventure, Duquesne, etc. Sure, West and Nelson make up what is arguably the best backcourt in the nation, but I don't think St. Joes' has really been tested.

-Tom

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: pyonir

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
If St. Joes finishes undefeated, they will be the best team in basketball according to the polls. If they win the tourney, then that will only affirm what the polls have defined. I doubt Temple or RI have any shot at knocking them off...

I don't agree. If St Joes wins out, and Stanford and Duke do as well, i would put Stanford and Duke ahead of them. No question.

Duke is Duke, and although the Pac10 is a very weak conference this year it is significantly better than the Atlantic 10. If Duke can complete the ACC as undefeated there is no team in the nation that is better as any of these teams less Virginia and Clemson can beat anybody on a given night. I would not even put St Joes in my top 8

 

[SP33Demon]

Haters eat it!!!

 

[SP33Demon]

23 and counting!!!! link.

 

[tfinch2]

i don't think anyone should hate on st. joe's. it's not their fault that they have a weak schedule. they are doing exactly what they should be doing which is winning every single game they play. people try to speculate what it going to happen but you can never guess. look a syracuse last year. nobody expected them to win. i think it's more fun to let it just play out and watch...

 

[Saulbadguy]

Those who haven't watched both team would say Stanford is the better team because they are in a major conference. Those who DO watch all the teams, would know that St Joes is better. They have the best backcourt in the country, and Jameer Nelson is just a stud. I see them making major waves come tourney time.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
23 and counting!!!! link.

They beat a 4-18 team by less than 20 points and you are ecstatic?

Can't wait until they get their #1 seeding and lose in the second round when they meet a team who can play defense.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
23 and counting!!!! link.

They beat a 4-18 team by less than 20 points and you are ecstatic?

Can't wait until they get their #1 seeding and lose in the second round when they meet a team who can play defense.

So should they win every game 100-30 b/c they're ranked #2 in the nation and undefeated?

Remember, the better their record and ranking, the harder teams will try to knock them off... They won 79-35 against the same team last month, and now you're btching b/c they won by 18? Give it up already, who cares how they win, as long as they get the W. There hasn't been an undefeated team since UNLV, and you're complaining about margin of victory, lol.

BTW, Gonzaga is now #6 in the polls, which adds even more credibility to the Hawks

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
23 and counting!!!! link.

They beat a 4-18 team by less than 20 points and you are ecstatic?

Can't wait until they get their #1 seeding and lose in the second round when they meet a team who can play defense.

So should they win every game 100-30 b/c they're ranked #2 in the nation and undefeated?

Remember, the better their record and ranking, the harder teams will try to knock them off... They won 79-35 against the same team last month, and now you're btching b/c they won by 18? Give it up already, who cares how they win, as long as they get the W. There hasn't been an undefeated team since UNLV, and you're complaining about margin of victory, lol.

BTW, Gonzaga is now #6 in the polls, which adds even more credibility to the Hawks

Other than beating Gonzaga in their first game of the season, who have they played? If they were to beat Gonzaga now, then I would be truly impressed.

 

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
23 and counting!!!! link.

They beat a 4-18 team by less than 20 points and you are ecstatic?

Can't wait until they get their #1 seeding and lose in the second round when they meet a team who can play defense.

So should they win every game 100-30 b/c they're ranked #2 in the nation and undefeated?

Remember, the better their record and ranking, the harder teams will try to knock them off... They won 79-35 against the same team last month, and now you're btching b/c they won by 18? Give it up already, who cares how they win, as long as they get the W. There hasn't been an undefeated team since UNLV, and you're complaining about margin of victory, lol.

BTW, Gonzaga is now #6 in the polls, which adds even more credibility to the Hawks

Other than beating Gonzaga in their first game of the season, who have they played? If they were to beat Gonzaga now, then I would be truly impressed.

@Penn, @Cal, @Richmond, @Xavier, @Temple , @Villanova...those are ALL tough Road games, no matter who you are.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
23 and counting!!!! link.

They beat a 4-18 team by less than 20 points and you are ecstatic?

Can't wait until they get their #1 seeding and lose in the second round when they meet a team who can play defense.

So should they win every game 100-30 b/c they're ranked #2 in the nation and undefeated?

Remember, the better their record and ranking, the harder teams will try to knock them off... They won 79-35 against the same team last month, and now you're btching b/c they won by 18? Give it up already, who cares how they win, as long as they get the W. There hasn't been an undefeated team since UNLV, and you're complaining about margin of victory, lol.

BTW, Gonzaga is now #6 in the polls, which adds even more credibility to the Hawks

Other than beating Gonzaga in their first game of the season, who have they played? If they were to beat Gonzaga now, then I would be truly impressed.

@Penn, @Cal, @Richmond, @Xavier, @Temple , @Villanova...those are ALL tough Road games, no matter who you are.

Penn a 12-8 Ivy league team
Cal an 11-10 Pac 10 team
Richmond a 15-10 Atlantic 10 team
Xavier a 15-9 Atlantic 10 team
Temple a 12-10 Atlantic 10 team
Villanova a 14-10 Big East Team

2 bubble teams and 4 other teams that will be extrememly lucky to get invited to the NIT, surely you jest

 

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
23 and counting!!!! link.

They beat a 4-18 team by less than 20 points and you are ecstatic?

Can't wait until they get their #1 seeding and lose in the second round when they meet a team who can play defense.

So should they win every game 100-30 b/c they're ranked #2 in the nation and undefeated?

Remember, the better their record and ranking, the harder teams will try to knock them off... They won 79-35 against the same team last month, and now you're btching b/c they won by 18? Give it up already, who cares how they win, as long as they get the W. There hasn't been an undefeated team since UNLV, and you're complaining about margin of victory, lol.

BTW, Gonzaga is now #6 in the polls, which adds even more credibility to the Hawks

Other than beating Gonzaga in their first game of the season, who have they played? If they were to beat Gonzaga now, then I would be truly impressed.

@Penn, @Cal, @Richmond, @Xavier, @Temple , @Villanova...those are ALL tough Road games, no matter who you are.

Penn a 12-8 Ivy league team
Cal an 11-10 Pac 10 team
Richmond a 15-10 Atlantic 10 team
Xavier a 15-9 Atlantic 10 team
Temple a 12-10 Atlantic 10 team
Villanova a 14-10 Big East Team

2 bubble teams and 4 other teams that will be extrememly lucky to get invited to the NIT, surely you jest

Ok. You obviously don't watch College BBall, or you simply don't know anything about it. Any road win, is a good win. Especially with the teams ive listed, who are usually strong home teams. St Joes is not a pushover. Its not like they are playing West Virginia Polytechnic and Agriculture State Junior Community College.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
23 and counting!!!! link.

They beat a 4-18 team by less than 20 points and you are ecstatic?

Can't wait until they get their #1 seeding and lose in the second round when they meet a team who can play defense.

So should they win every game 100-30 b/c they're ranked #2 in the nation and undefeated?

Remember, the better their record and ranking, the harder teams will try to knock them off... They won 79-35 against the same team last month, and now you're btching b/c they won by 18? Give it up already, who cares how they win, as long as they get the W. There hasn't been an undefeated team since UNLV, and you're complaining about margin of victory, lol.

BTW, Gonzaga is now #6 in the polls, which adds even more credibility to the Hawks

Other than beating Gonzaga in their first game of the season, who have they played? If they were to beat Gonzaga now, then I would be truly impressed.

@Penn, @Cal, @Richmond, @Xavier, @Temple , @Villanova...those are ALL tough Road games, no matter who you are.

Penn a 12-8 Ivy league team
Cal an 11-10 Pac 10 team
Richmond a 15-10 Atlantic 10 team
Xavier a 15-9 Atlantic 10 team
Temple a 12-10 Atlantic 10 team
Villanova a 14-10 Big East Team

2 bubble teams and 4 other teams that will be extrememly lucky to get invited to the NIT, surely you jest

Ok. You obviously don't watch College BBall, or you simply don't know anything about it. Any road win, is a good win. Especially with the teams ive listed, who are usually strong home teams. St Joes is not a pushover. Its not like they are playing West Virginia Polytechnic and Agriculture State Junior Community College.

Explain to me how winning against these teams is harder than winning at Duke, NC State, Kentucky...or for that matter anybody in the top 25?

 

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
23 and counting!!!! link.

They beat a 4-18 team by less than 20 points and you are ecstatic?

Can't wait until they get their #1 seeding and lose in the second round when they meet a team who can play defense.

So should they win every game 100-30 b/c they're ranked #2 in the nation and undefeated?

Remember, the better their record and ranking, the harder teams will try to knock them off... They won 79-35 against the same team last month, and now you're btching b/c they won by 18? Give it up already, who cares how they win, as long as they get the W. There hasn't been an undefeated team since UNLV, and you're complaining about margin of victory, lol.

BTW, Gonzaga is now #6 in the polls, which adds even more credibility to the Hawks

Other than beating Gonzaga in their first game of the season, who have they played? If they were to beat Gonzaga now, then I would be truly impressed.

@Penn, @Cal, @Richmond, @Xavier, @Temple , @Villanova...those are ALL tough Road games, no matter who you are.

Penn a 12-8 Ivy league team
Cal an 11-10 Pac 10 team
Richmond a 15-10 Atlantic 10 team
Xavier a 15-9 Atlantic 10 team
Temple a 12-10 Atlantic 10 team
Villanova a 14-10 Big East Team

2 bubble teams and 4 other teams that will be extrememly lucky to get invited to the NIT, surely you jest

Ok. You obviously don't watch College BBall, or you simply don't know anything about it. Any road win, is a good win. Especially with the teams ive listed, who are usually strong home teams. St Joes is not a pushover. Its not like they are playing West Virginia Polytechnic and Agriculture State Junior Community College.

Explain to me how winning against these teams is harder than winning at Duke, NC State, Kentucky...or for that matter anybody in the top 25?

Because they've won consistently. They've won ALL of them. Duke has only dropped 1 at home this year. NC State is undefeated at home. UK has only dropped 2. Winning on the road is hard, wherever you play. Sure, the level of talent drops in a weaker conference (A-10), but the way St Joes is handling the road games, they are proving to me and the rest of the nation that they are a GOOD team. Put Duke in the A-10, and they'd probably win out too. It doesn't discount the fact that they are a good team.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
23 and counting!!!! link.

They beat a 4-18 team by less than 20 points and you are ecstatic?

Can't wait until they get their #1 seeding and lose in the second round when they meet a team who can play defense.

So should they win every game 100-30 b/c they're ranked #2 in the nation and undefeated?

Remember, the better their record and ranking, the harder teams will try to knock them off... They won 79-35 against the same team last month, and now you're btching b/c they won by 18? Give it up already, who cares how they win, as long as they get the W. There hasn't been an undefeated team since UNLV, and you're complaining about margin of victory, lol.

BTW, Gonzaga is now #6 in the polls, which adds even more credibility to the Hawks

Other than beating Gonzaga in their first game of the season, who have they played? If they were to beat Gonzaga now, then I would be truly impressed.

@Penn, @Cal, @Richmond, @Xavier, @Temple , @Villanova...those are ALL tough Road games, no matter who you are.

Penn a 12-8 Ivy league team
Cal an 11-10 Pac 10 team
Richmond a 15-10 Atlantic 10 team
Xavier a 15-9 Atlantic 10 team
Temple a 12-10 Atlantic 10 team
Villanova a 14-10 Big East Team

2 bubble teams and 4 other teams that will be extrememly lucky to get invited to the NIT, surely you jest

Ok. You obviously don't watch College BBall, or you simply don't know anything about it. Any road win, is a good win. Especially with the teams ive listed, who are usually strong home teams. St Joes is not a pushover. Its not like they are playing West Virginia Polytechnic and Agriculture State Junior Community College.

Explain to me how winning against these teams is harder than winning at Duke, NC State, Kentucky...or for that matter anybody in the top 25?

The fact that they're ranked higher undefeated than the teams with a tougher schedule and 1 or 2 losses accentuates Dick Vitale's opinion: that the Hawks have the best backcourt in all of NCAA, yes even better than Duke. Do they have better big men? Well, that's debatable.

 

[CPA]

I like seeing St. Joe's doing well this year (doesn't seem that Nelson has been on that team for like 10 years?), but the win against Gonzaga needs an asterik. If I recall, Ronny Tauriaf and one other starter did not play that game. Tauriaf is a bone-fide NBA player and with him I think the game results would have been much different.

 

[Ynog]

Just curious, who was the last team to go undefeated in NCAA mens basketball.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: CPA
I like seeing St. Joe's doing well this year (doesn't seem that Nelson has been on that team for like 10 years?), but the win against Gonzaga needs an asterik. If I recall, Ronny Tauriaf and one other starter did not play that game. Tauriaf is a bone-fide NBA player and with him I think the game results would have been much different.

You must have recalled wrong.
Boxscore says he played 5 minutes and picked up 2 personal fouls, and shot 1-3. Who knows why he didn't start, or play more...

 

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: Ynog
Just curious, who was the last team to go undefeated in NCAA mens basketball.

UNLV, i think.

 

[gistech1978]

Originally posted by: Ynog
Just curious, who was the last team to go undefeated in NCAA mens basketball.

UNLV i believe
in 91 or so

 

[Saulbadguy]

SP33Demon,
I hate to say this, but it seems like that anytime any team that in Philly or WVU does well you start to talk all sorts of smack. What are you..a St Joes/Temple/Villanova/Drexel/Mountaineers fan?? Come on!

 

[pyonir]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

The fact that they're ranked higher undefeated than the teams with a tougher schedule and 1 or 2 losses accentuates Dick Vitale's opinion: that the Hawks have the best backcourt in all of NCAA, yes even better than Duke. Do they have better big men? Well, that's debatable.

I wasn't going to reply to this thread anymore, but i can't let this one go by.

WhatTF does the best backcourt in the NCAA (arguably) have to do with ranking? The reason they are ranked higher than 1-2 loss teams...is because they are undefeated and play in a "big" conference. If they were ranked so high because they have the best backcourt, then wouldn't they be ranked above Stanford? No, because Stanford is undefeated as well, and has played better teams.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: Ynog
Just curious, who was the last team to go undefeated in NCAA mens basketball.

UNLV, i think.

Incidentally Duke beat them in the Final Four or Championship game that year. You have to go all the back to 76 when Indiana finished a perfect 32-0

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: Nitemare


Explain to me how winning against these teams is harder than winning at Duke, NC State, Kentucky...or for that matter anybody in the top 25?

Because they've won consistently. They've won ALL of them. Duke has only dropped 1 at home this year. NC State is undefeated at home. UK has only dropped 2. Winning on the road is hard, wherever you play. Sure, the level of talent drops in a weaker conference (A-10), but the way St Joes is handling the road games, they are proving to me and the rest of the nation that they are a GOOD team. Put Duke in the A-10, and they'd probably win out too. It doesn't discount the fact that they are a good team.

Yes they are a good team, but they are far from great. I would insult them by comparing them to the TCU football team that nearly goes undefeated every year by playing the cupcake schedule. I'm just saying they have yet to be tested by another good team. They have not played an upper tier team in a big conference all year. All of their wins have came against smaller schools in lesser known conferences or subpar teams in big conferences.

Some people act like it is the greatest even in basketball and sports history, whereas if you gave half of the top 25 St Joe's schedule, they would probably be undefeated as well. I would probably put them in my top 10 this year, but I would be hard pressed to find any reason to rank them above some teams that have 1-3 losses.

 

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: Nitemare


Explain to me how winning against these teams is harder than winning at Duke, NC State, Kentucky...or for that matter anybody in the top 25?

Because they've won consistently. They've won ALL of them. Duke has only dropped 1 at home this year. NC State is undefeated at home. UK has only dropped 2. Winning on the road is hard, wherever you play. Sure, the level of talent drops in a weaker conference (A-10), but the way St Joes is handling the road games, they are proving to me and the rest of the nation that they are a GOOD team. Put Duke in the A-10, and they'd probably win out too. It doesn't discount the fact that they are a good team.

Yes they are a good team, but they are far from great. I would insult them by comparing them to the TCU football team that nearly goes undefeated every year by playing the cupcake schedule. I'm just saying they have yet to be tested by another good team. They have not played an upper tier team in a big conference all year. All of their wins have came against smaller schools in lesser known conferences or subpar teams in big conferences.

Some people act like it is the greatest even in basketball and sports history, whereas if you gave half of the top 25 St Joe's schedule, they would probably be undefeated as well. I would probably put them in my top 10 this year, but I would be hard pressed to find any reason to rank them above some teams that have 1-3 losses.

Ah..well , at least you admit they belong in the top 10. I'm not saying they are gods of the NCAA this year, but they are definately no slouch. They did stay behind 1 and 2 loss teams for quite a bit, but when those teams lose, you have to change. Besides, rankings don't matter until tourney time.