SSD slow boot, cant find cause :(

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ShintaiDK

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I am 99.9% positive it got nothing to do with your SSD. But due to either missing drivers or bad drivers or other HW.
 

UaVaj

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has a similar problem on an asus board. in device manager the secondary marvell controller had an exclamation. the latest asus driver and latest marvell driver was no good.

turns out it was the firmware on secondary marvell controller. it would cause the boot to hang. only to be timed out before getting to the desktop.

only fix was to revert the firmware to an older firmware. that fixed everything.



your problem is caused by windows not liking something.
 

Elixer

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I've installed version 13.12 AMD chipset drivers from AMD's website and replaced the ones i had from Asus, no difference in anything :(.

Here is the install report.xml from the drivers, doesn't show any errors.

EDIT: Report.xml wasn't displaying well when I've uploaded it, I've converted it to an image now http://s27.postimg.org/bl0kkis8h/report.jpg

The SSD still displays as "Disk Drive" in device manager and still uses Microsoft drivers :(.



I've tried plugging it into SATA 1 and then the last SATA, it does boot faster on SATA 1 so i left it there, but i had it here to begin with so problem still exists :(.
Go into device manager, and click 'update driver'... then pick the AMD AHCI ones.
 

nub1

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has a similar problem on an asus board. in device manager the secondary marvell controller had an exclamation. the latest asus driver and latest marvell driver was no good.

turns out it was the firmware on secondary marvell controller. it would cause the boot to hang. only to be timed out before getting to the desktop.

only fix was to revert the firmware to an older firmware. that fixed everything.



your problem is caused by windows not liking something.

I don't have any stuff with exclamation points in device manager though, had those USB's but got them fixed, i think (in my case) it has something to do with the SSD using the Microsoft drivers from 2006 hmm.

Go into device manager, and click 'update driver'... then pick the AMD AHCI ones.

Yep, i've been trying to do that for some days but i can't see any way to do it, AMD AHCI drivers don't appear when i click "Let me pick from a list of device drivers on my computer" I've also tried to point it to search for drivers in the install folder of the AMD AHCI drivers, says it didn't find anything compatible, em i doing something wrong ?
 

Elixer

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Yep, i've been trying to do that for some days but i can't see any way to do it, AMD AHCI drivers don't appear when i click "Let me pick from a list of device drivers on my computer" I've also tried to point it to search for drivers in the install folder of the AMD AHCI drivers, says it didn't find anything compatible, em i doing something wrong ?
You expanded the 'IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers' and you should see AMD SATA Controller... pick that, update drivers, if it don't say it is using AMD AHCI drivers.
 

BFG10K

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Try disabling all non-essential devices in the EFI/BIOS. If that doesn't help, try booting into safe mode. If the problem vanishes between these two actions, you should be able to track it down through the process of elimination.
 

Sunburn74

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Honestly, my PC does the same thing. I figured it had something to do with either AHCI or RAID drivers in windows because my laptop which has a slower SSD doesn't have this issue. In addition, it has done this across 2 different types of SSDS: intel x-25ms in raid 0 and vertex 3s in raid-0s.

The issue does seem to go away in safe mode for all thats worth.
 
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nub1

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You expanded the 'IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers' and you should see AMD SATA Controller... pick that, update drivers, if it don't say it is using AMD AHCI drivers.

Seems the AMD SATA CONTROLLER was using the latest AMD drivers, I've tried switching to Windows drivers but boot time isn't changing, I've noticed when i put the controller on Windows drivers the SSD will appear as Plextor M5Pro under Disk Drives instead of just being called "Disk Drive" though.

Try disabling all non-essential devices in the EFI/BIOS. If that doesn't help, try booting into safe mode. If the problem vanishes between these two actions, you should be able to track it down through the process of elimination.

Did try to disable everything i can, no change :(.

I did try to boot into safe mode and noticed it was staying ~4 sec to load RzFilter.sys , after Googling a bit turns out it was some garbage from Razer Drivers that i don't need (came with mouse drivers, but i don't need rzfilter.sys itself) so I've removed it, the other thing it hangs on is the last file it loads called classpnp.sys, don't really know what to do about that hmm, takes longer than rzfilter.sys to load, about ~11 sec.

It does boot faster in safe mode i guess but nothing really to write home about.
 

ShintaiDK

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pnp=plug and play. Try see whats the next driver it loads after that one. Might give a clue.

Its amazing that AMD drivers didnt name your SSD, but default Windows drivers did.
 

nub1

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pnp=plug and play. Try see whats the next driver it loads after that one. Might give a clue.

Its amazing that AMD drivers didnt name your SSD, but default Windows drivers did.

I dont know where to look for that :(.
 

Old Hippie

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Yes but didn't find anything useful, people have other problems with it not related to boot time, at least from what I've seen.

How about the very first link that says
hangs on startup-- last driver to successfully load in safe mode ...

If you think that doesn't address your problem I dunno what else to tell ya.
 

BFG10K

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Did try to disable everything i can, no change :(.
Did you disable unused USB ports?
Did you disable onboard peripherals like networking and sound?
Did you remove all SATA devices except your boot drive?
Did you remove all RAM sticks except one?
Did you drop back to IDE mode from AHCI?
Did you remove your mouse?
Did you remove your graphics card and use onboard?
 

Old Hippie

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Honestly fellows, my Google link is the answer but only IF you take the time to click on it and read some of the links.

Seems some have problems with reading comprehension.

The fixes offered may or may not work in his case but 99% of the Google links are directly related to his problem.
 

generalmx

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These are the tools which you need to looking at to find the cause of your boot stalls: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/jj663181.aspx (Xperf) and http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/hh448170.aspx (Windows Performance Analyzer). Here's a blog entry on how to read their results: https://blogs.technet.com/b/askpfep...sharing-and-nla-services.aspx?Redirected=true

One of the major things these tools do is analyze how long various services, programs, drivers, etc. add to your boot and startup time.

Either way, I think it's been established it's likely not the hardware, so perhaps this thread should be moved.
 

nub1

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Merry Christmas guys, will be busy some days but will come back once i have some free time and try the latest things you have suggested, will let you know how it goes.