SSD isn't mind blowingly fast, Actually slower than 3 x Raptor HDD Raid Array

[cheez]

You said your raptors works fine in raid configuration; did you change the sata mode to AHCI when you connected the SSD (does this even matter?)

Of course I did. But unfortunately, none of that helped.

I find it rather funny that you have no problem spending over $50,000 on some audio cables, yet you cannot afford to pay $50 more for a decent SSD.

The SSD did not do anything to your sound card. It's usually recommended that you unplug all peripherals before performing a BIOS update.

Anandtech Editor,
It's not really funny. I spent all on cables which is why I'm broke now. I am not that rich as you think I am...

When I said I'm broke, I mean I'm BROKE.

It's stupid and makes no sense that flashing MOTHERBOARD BIOS screws up EPROM chip on sound card.... now, THAT'S funny. You used the term funny wrongfully.


I just placed an order for another Asus Xonar DX7.1 card.

cheez

 

[lagokc]

The Vertex 2 was the last generation of SSD that was still a bit buggy and not terribly impressive for OS use. The Agility 3 / Vertex 3 was the first generation that really got impressive.

 

[Ketchup]

The Vertex 2 was the last generation of SSD that was still a bit buggy and not terribly impressive for OS use. The Agility 3 / Vertex 3 was the first generation that really got impressive.

And if you spent much time researching, or just reading posts in AT forums, you would probably have learned these had extremely high failure rates.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227551

Sorry to hear about your sound card though.

 

[jaqie]

Technically IOPS and throughput (MB/s) are the same thing as throughput is just IOPS * IO size. Manufacturers like to use IOPS for marketing reasons as 100,000 IOPS looks better than 400MB/s.

I find it rather funny that you have no problem spending over $50,000 on some audio cables, yet you cannot afford to pay $50 more for a decent SSD.

The SSD did not do anything to your sound card. It's usually recommended that you unplug all peripherals before performing a BIOS update.

1) IOPS and throughput are nowhere near the same thing, if you are the SSD editor and you fail to comprehend that, I am glad I never read your articles... Wow. This is about the worst/saddest thing I have heard in years.

2) In my opinion, the OCZ agility 3 60GB is quite a decent SSD, and that is mirrored by many people online. You must have some insanely high standards where this SSD is not a decent SSD. I actually researched SSDs for years before purchasing this as my first SSD ever, and it has not disappointed me. I also purchased it when it had just come out, it is not brand new.

3) I have never had more than $5000 at any one time in my life I have no idea whatsoever where you are coming up with this insane $50k figure... if I had that kind of money I would buy a house, car, and surgery to fix the health problems I have which disability does not cover.

4) Where in blazes did I talk about my sound card let alone in reference to my SSD? It's honestly seeming like you are very drunk or otherwise unable to think clearly... Are you on some sort of prescription medication?

 

[Ketchup]

... where you are coming up with this insane $50k figure..

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2248515&highlight=

He actually talks about his cables in several threads, but I found this one first.

 

[Hellhammer]

1) IOPS and throughput are nowhere near the same thing, if you are the SSD editor and you fail to comprehend that, I am glad I never read your articles... Wow. This is about the worst/saddest thing I have heard in years.

Then please educate us what's the difference between the two.

2) In my opinion, the OCZ agility 3 60GB is quite a decent SSD, and that is mirrored by many people online. You must have some insanely high standards where this SSD is not a decent SSD. I actually researched SSDs for years before purchasing this as my first SSD ever, and it has not disappointed me. I also purchased it when it had just come out, it is not brand new.

3) I have never had more than $5000 at any one time in my life I have no idea whatsoever where you are coming up with this insane $50k figure... if I had that kind of money I would buy a house, car, and surgery to fix the health problems I have which disability does not cover.

4) Where in blazes did I talk about my sound card let alone in reference to my SSD? It's honestly seeming like you are very drunk or otherwise unable to think clearly... Are you on some sort of prescription medication?

Only the IOPS part was directed at you, the rest of the post was in reply to cheez. Seems like I accidentally deleted some of the quote so it was not clear that the rest of the post was not directed at you, though I've fixed it now. If you had read all the posts you probably would have noticed that cheez is the one having issues with his SSD and sound card.

 

[jaqie]

Then please educate us what's the difference between the two.

Seek times? multiple simultaneous requests for data access? why was NCQ even implemented if these were not a problem for spinning media? Just try accessing 3 or 4 (or more) files at the same time with a hard drive, then do so with an SSD, and you'll see the difference between IOPS and throughput.

Only the IOPS part was directed at you, the rest of the post was in reply to cheez. Seems like I accidentally deleted some of the quote so it was not clear that the rest of the post was not directed at you, though I've fixed it now. If you had read all the posts you probably would have noticed that cheez is the one having issues with his SSD and sound card.

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, sorry.

 

[cheez]

And if you spent much time researching, or just reading posts in AT forums, you would probably have learned these had extremely high failure rates.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227551

Sorry to hear about your sound card though.

Thanks ketchup. I guess this is what happens when I rush it on buying something. I had some worries on compatibility but didn't realize it was going to be this bad. I can't freakin believe flashing a BIOS screws up the sound card ha ha ho ho hilarious.

3) I have never had more than $5000 at any one time in my life I have no idea whatsoever where you are coming up with this insane $50k figure... if I had that kind of money I would buy a house, car, and surgery to fix the health problems I have which disability does not cover.

I already have a house. It's custom built too. I already have a nice car.

4) Where in blazes did I talk about my sound card let alone in reference to my SSD? It's honestly seeming like you are very drunk or otherwise unable to think clearly... Are you on some sort of prescription medication?

Me? Drunk? No. Why would I be? When I get real mad I laugh, as you can see in my posts in this thread. I'm mad you know.


NO MORE OCZ JUNK.




cheez

 

[jaqie]

What the hell are you talking about? I wasn't talking to you, and that's rather plain.

 

[cheez]

^ oh sorry..


cheez

 

[Hellhammer]

Seek times? multiple simultaneous requests for data access? why was NCQ even implemented if these were not a problem for spinning media?

Seek time (or latency as it's often called) is its own thing, even though it's closely related to IOPS and throughput. Generally speaking, an increase in latency means a drop in IOPS (the added latency increases the completion time of the IO request, which in turn decreases the IOs per second). However, the formula for IOPS is still:

IOPS = [Bytes per second] / [IO size in bytes]

Throughput is Bytes per second, so the only difference is that IOPS does not take the IO size into account, although IOPS is always reported for a specific IO size (usually 4096 bytes as manufacturers tend to give out 4KB random read/write figures).

Just try accessing 3 or 4 (or more) files at the same time with a hard drive, then do so with an SSD, and you'll see the difference between IOPS and throughput.

The biggest difference there is seek times. When you're accessing multiple files simultaneously, the drive has to access LBAs in a random order (e.g. one file is using LBA range from 1 to 20 and the other file is using 400-420). Hard drives suck at this because the disk head has to constantly jump from one place to another and you're limited by the drive's rotation speed. Since the latency to access one LBA is long, the IOPS is also poor (hard drives can barely achieve a few hundred IOPS in 4KB random read/write).

SSDs have very low latency (read/write latencies are measured in microseconds) and don't care if the IO requests are coming in random or sequential order because they are not limited by mechanical movement. Hence it's not an issue to access multiple LBAs simultaneously as the latency to access one of them is so short and with individual IO latencies being very short, an SSD can complete tens of thousands of IOs per second.

 

[jaqie]

....which proves my point exactly. IOPS and throughput are not the same thing.

 

[AustinInDallas]

I find it rather funny that you have no problem spending over $50,000 on some audio cables, yet you cannot afford to pay $50 more for a decent SSD.

my thoughts EXACTLY!

 

[Hellhammer]

....which proves my point exactly. IOPS and throughput are not the same thing.

They are. Both measure the amount of input/output operations but use different units. You can always convert IOPS to throughput and vice versa. Latency (or seek time) affects both.

Where they differ is the context they are used in. Usually throughput is used when talking about large sequential transfers (e.g. "this SSD has a maximum throughput of 550MB/s"). However, that could be reported as ~4,300 IOPS instead (assuming IO size of 128KB).

 

[jaqie]

If they were the same thing, the numbers would be identical.

This reminds me so much of the 0.002 cents per KB cellphone data plan stupidity.

 

[cheez]

Woohoo!!~

I loaded Windows 7 pro 64bit on OCZ SSD!

Here is the AS SSD bench!!


How did I do? Is this about normal for my SATA II setup? It's Conroe chip@ stock clock 2.4ghz...

Nearly double the score of what I was getting from Server 2003 setup. Comments?

😀

 

[ryderOCZ]

EDIT...

 

[Zap]

I find it rather funny that you have no problem spending over $50,000 on some audio cables, yet you cannot afford to pay $50 more for a decent SSD.

:hmm:

I just placed an order for another Asus Xonar DX7.1 card.

If you were so broke, why not take advantage of the 3 year warranty? A sound card should not die from a motherboard BIOS update.

 

[Blain]

BTW, You say you have 3 WD Raptors... Are they original "Raptors" or VelociRaptors?

Because the OCZ Vertex2 was on refurb for $55 at the time. I'm broke right now. And I wanted to try out the SSD to study... to get my hands-on experience.

NO MORE OCZ JUNK.



cheez

A higher education expense at only $55 is a pretty good deal.

 

[Berryracer]

Woohoo!!~

I loaded Windows 7 pro 64bit on OCZ SSD!

Here is the AS SSD bench!!


How did I do? Is this about normal for my SATA II setup? It's Conroe chip@ stock clock 2.4ghz...

Nearly double the score of what I was getting from Server 2003 setup. Comments?

😀

well not to make u feel bad but here are the scores of my 2 years old 256GB LiteOn LAT-256M3S SSD

Send me a PM with your TeamViewer ID/Pass so I can take a look at what you are doing wrong your scores are abnormal

 

[cheez]

If you were so broke, why not take advantage of the 3 year warranty?

I didn't want to pay more than $55 (before shipping).

A sound card should not die from a motherboard BIOS update.

Well, it did. The card wasn't shorted nor burned in any way. From a quick search it mentions others had similar problem that had to do with the card's EPROM chip with one of the values get overwritten... The only thing I have done since I got the damn SSD was flashing the BIOS to the latest version for the motherboard. And installed Windows 7 Pro 64bit. You telling me the OS or the SSD killed my card?? You are just making rough guess, or making stuff up. 😉 It would have to be the BIOS that screwed it up. The card was working fine without a single hiccup before I got the SSD.

A higher education expense at only $55 is a pretty good deal.

Not really. $55 + shipping = $61. Also took out my Asus Xonar DX7.1 sound card which was $95. $61 + 95 = $156 That's huge sum of money down the toilet. 🙄

well not to make u feel bad but here are the scores of my 2 years old 256GB LiteOn LAT-256M3S SSD

Send me a PM with your TeamViewer ID/Pass so I can take a look at what you are doing wrong your scores are abnormal

I did beat you on 4k write score... ha ha. What did you do to have such high scores? Was that SATA II?

I do have Intel ICH8/ICH8R Family LPC Interface driver missing in device manager however.... couldn't seem to find the driver for that. Does this have anything to do with it?

I don't know man.... I don't know if I want some stranger / random dude remoting in to my cool PC. 😱


cheez

 

[GlacierFreeze]

Not really. $55 + shipping = $61. Also took out my Asus Xonar DX7.1 sound card which was $95. $61 + 95 = $156 That's huge sum of money down the toilet. 🙄

When did that become a problem?

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2248515&highlight=

I do have Intel ICH8/ICH8R Family LPC Interface driver missing in device manager however.... couldn't seem to find the driver for that. Does this have anything to do with it?

It always has something to do with it. A lot to do with it.

 

[cheez]

When did that become a problem?

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2248515&highlight=

Hey hey guys guys, let's not get into cable talk. You are going OT.

It always has something to do with it. A lot to do with it.

Well, where do I get it? Under what software package is this contained? I checked out Asus support website under P5B Deluxe. I tried the SATA driver and chipset driver but the device manager would not take it.


cheez

 

[xeledon20005]

sounds like you didn't get a good ssd, ive never had problems with the ones ive owned.

 

[cheez]

^ Hmmm... maybe my SSD is faulty! which explains my awfully poor write score...


cheez