I wish they provide a side shot. The think I didn't like about the original solstice was the front, which looked kinda weird from the side. The back was sexy, and may be even better in the turbo version. They say the front has been made more square, which would improve the look, I just hope they don't still have the lights jutting out, making it look like some kinda bug.
The ecotec engine is beastly. Capable of 1000HP...from a four-banger.
Solstice is so much better looking then the miata. Same thing with the sky. All three of them are bitches cars, but nothing wrong with that. I'd buy it for my gf/wife.
Solstice is so much better looking then the miata. Same thing with the sky. All three of them are bitches cars, but nothing wrong with that. I'd buy it for my gf/wife.
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Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Not even going there. You obviously don't listen even though Mike tried to ram it into your skull
I don't think anyone here said Solstice is going to "sustain" GM. It will certainly take off well and if they can create the kind of following that cars like the Miata have then it will keep going. Even if it DOESN'T keep going, what's wrong with that? It helps boost GM up a bit, people get a kick @$$ car that is right for the times (and not BEYOND it), and everyone's happy.
Okay, LINK?
Where do you get this amount from?
Best Buy Brand Computers are labeld VPR. I have no links at the moment, But these are things I know from shopping around, Have read in magazenes, newspapers, watching First Buisness, etc. Some one else can can comfirm what I am saying here that Porsche Desgns things other than cars.
So my number (eh-hem memory) was a off.
But the point is that GM is loosing big time on each car. Toyota could easily pay GM for their losses and still make an average $799 profit!
GM lost an average of $1,227 per vehicle sold in North America during the first half of the year. Ford followed that with a per-vehicle loss of $139. The Chrysler group pushed into positive territory with a per-vehicle profit of $186.
Nissan, Toyota and Honda, however, all netted more than $1,000 per vehicle, with Nissan on top with $1,826.
Toyota followed with a per-vehicle net of $1,488, and then Honda with $1,023.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/08/gm_leads_in_los.html
http://www.porsche-design.com/deutsch_en.PorscheDesign?ActiveID=40032&lang=en
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: Pocatello
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
might sell?
you mean the car that already has 10000 orders before it ever hit the showroom? when the max they can produce is about 20-30k a year?
yea it might sell
Ok, but will it have a loyal following like the Jeep Wrangler or Mazda Miata has? That is what I mean by a car that sells.
A lot of car models sell well their first year but after the initial demand has been met is their going to be enough repeat demand to keep the nameplate alive? I am not sure and I doubt that the car is as technologicly advanced as the S2000 or Miata; GM has been slacking in these areas.
The Miata has been successful because it's a simple, pure sport car at an affordable price, not a technology marvel. I wouldn't say the S2000 has been that successful in term of sales number.
That is not what I said. The S2000 is not a big seller, but I was refering to how it is more technologicly advanced than what GM builds.
Where I made the refrence to sales is The Wrangler and Miata enjoy a cult following, it is the only thing that keeps their brands alive, they are not selling more and more of them to first time buyers of that model. Buyers of Miatas and Jeeps are people who have already owned that car and are back for seconds. Other than old ladies buying caddies or Baby Boomer buying 'vetts, I cannot think of any car GM makes (trucks excluded) that keeps lots of people coming back for more.
What do you call the Corvette? Corvette sells 35,000 units ANNUALLY. They also have the largest profit margin of all GM's car line. I have one and I love it, drive it 800 miles EVERY weekend back and forth between home and school. Reliable, comfortable, and the power's all there.
Silvarado has a heavy loyalty line, along with many of the GMC lines. (Reason why it's not dead). Caddy's entire line are mostly repeat customers, however in teh past 3 years their QC has been through the roof, and have built a much larger younger base (25-35 yr old range). :beer:
Googer
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Originally posted by: Theguynextdoor
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: Pocatello
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
might sell?
you mean the car that already has 10000 orders before it ever hit the showroom? when the max they can produce is about 20-30k a year?
yea it might sell
Ok, but will it have a loyal following like the Jeep Wrangler or Mazda Miata has? That is what I mean by a car that sells.
A lot of car models sell well their first year but after the initial demand has been met is their going to be enough repeat demand to keep the nameplate alive? I am not sure and I doubt that the car is as technologicly advanced as the S2000 or Miata; GM has been slacking in these areas.
The Miata has been successful because it's a simple, pure sport car at an affordable price, not a technology marvel. I wouldn't say the S2000 has been that successful in term of sales number.
That is not what I said. The S2000 is not a big seller, but I was refering to how it is more technologicly advanced than what GM builds.
Where I made the refrence to sales is The Wrangler and Miata enjoy a cult following, it is the only thing that keeps their brands alive, they are not selling more and more of them to first time buyers of that model. Buyers of Miatas and Jeeps are people who have already owned that car and are back for seconds. Other than old ladies buying caddies or Baby Boomer buying 'vetts, I cannot think of any car GM makes (trucks excluded) that keeps lots of people coming back for more.
What do you call the Corvette? Corvette sells 35,000 units ANNUALLY. They also have the largest profit margin of all GM's car line. I have one and I love it, drive it 800 miles EVERY weekend back and forth between home and school. Reliable, comfortable, and the power's all there.
Silvarado has a heavy loyalty line, along with many of the GMC lines. (Reason why it's not dead). Caddy's entire line are mostly repeat customers, however in teh past 3 years their QC has been through the roof, and have built a much larger younger base (25-35 yr old range). :beer:
You did not read my other post in this message forum. GM cannot build a small (non-performance/luxury) car that comes close to matching the repeat buyer numbers of Toyota's (Camry/Corolla) or Honda (Civic/Accord) I am talking lowend cars, GM Just cant seem to do it right.
http://www.gm.com/company/gmtunersource...ort_compact_performance_build_book.pdf
GM was the one to do it too, fairly easy to do for the competent mechanic with the right tools. 1300HP...not bad eh?
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: Theguynextdoor
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: Pocatello
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
might sell?
you mean the car that already has 10000 orders before it ever hit the showroom? when the max they can produce is about 20-30k a year?
yea it might sell
Ok, but will it have a loyal following like the Jeep Wrangler or Mazda Miata has? That is what I mean by a car that sells.
A lot of car models sell well their first year but after the initial demand has been met is their going to be enough repeat demand to keep the nameplate alive? I am not sure and I doubt that the car is as technologicly advanced as the S2000 or Miata; GM has been slacking in these areas.
The Miata has been successful because it's a simple, pure sport car at an affordable price, not a technology marvel. I wouldn't say the S2000 has been that successful in term of sales number.
That is not what I said. The S2000 is not a big seller, but I was refering to how it is more technologicly advanced than what GM builds.
Where I made the refrence to sales is The Wrangler and Miata enjoy a cult following, it is the only thing that keeps their brands alive, they are not selling more and more of them to first time buyers of that model. Buyers of Miatas and Jeeps are people who have already owned that car and are back for seconds. Other than old ladies buying caddies or Baby Boomer buying 'vetts, I cannot think of any car GM makes (trucks excluded) that keeps lots of people coming back for more.
What do you call the Corvette? Corvette sells 35,000 units ANNUALLY. They also have the largest profit margin of all GM's car line. I have one and I love it, drive it 800 miles EVERY weekend back and forth between home and school. Reliable, comfortable, and the power's all there.
Silvarado has a heavy loyalty line, along with many of the GMC lines. (Reason why it's not dead). Caddy's entire line are mostly repeat customers, however in teh past 3 years their QC has been through the roof, and have built a much larger younger base (25-35 yr old range). :beer:
You did not read my other post in this message forum. GM cannot build a small (non-performance/luxury) car that comes close to matching the repeat buyer numbers of Toyota's (Camry/Corolla) or Honda (Civic/Accord) I am talking lowend cars, GM Just cant seem to do it right.
What were the Grand Am and Cavalier? The grand Am held the Pontiac line up through the 95-2000 slump.
If you want to know all about the Ecotec find out here: http://www.cobaltss.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=6
Also, John Lingenfelter crashed a 7second ecotec powered cavalier.
Also, John Lingenfelter crashed a 7second ecotec powered cavalier.
Googer, I have to give you props for the hearty debate you're putting up with the rest of us. I see where you're coming from, GM's game plan is pretty bad. However they're doing a pretty good job, all they need to do is hold out until the UAW contract is up in 08 and the release of the (now re-released) Zeta platform.
You keep your cool, which is....welll cool. :beer:
You keep your cool, which is....welll cool. :beer:
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