i like it, as long as it doesnt whoop the ass off my s2000. jk, i like the car, i think it looks great.
Googer
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Originally posted by: Pocatello
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
might sell?
you mean the car that already has 10000 orders before it ever hit the showroom? when the max they can produce is about 20-30k a year?
yea it might sell
Ok, but will it have a loyal following like the Jeep Wrangler or Mazda Miata has? That is what I mean by a car that sells.
A lot of car models sell well their first year but after the initial demand has been met is their going to be enough repeat demand to keep the nameplate alive? I am not sure and I doubt that the car is as technologicly advanced as the S2000 or Miata; GM has been slacking in these areas.
The Miata has been successful because it's a simple, pure sport car at an affordable price, not a technology marvel. I wouldn't say the S2000 has been that successful in term of sales number.
That is not what I said. The S2000 is not a big seller, but I was refering to how it is more technologicly advanced than what GM builds.
Where I made the refrence to sales is The Wrangler and Miata enjoy a cult following, it is the only thing that keeps their brands alive, they are not selling more and more of them to first time buyers of that model. Buyers of Miatas and Jeeps are people who have already owned that car and are back for seconds. Other than old ladies buying caddies or Baby Boomer buying 'vetts, I cannot think of any car GM makes (trucks excluded) that keeps lots of people coming back for more.
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: Pocatello
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
might sell?
you mean the car that already has 10000 orders before it ever hit the showroom? when the max they can produce is about 20-30k a year?
yea it might sell
Ok, but will it have a loyal following like the Jeep Wrangler or Mazda Miata has? That is what I mean by a car that sells.
A lot of car models sell well their first year but after the initial demand has been met is their going to be enough repeat demand to keep the nameplate alive? I am not sure and I doubt that the car is as technologicly advanced as the S2000 or Miata; GM has been slacking in these areas.
The Miata has been successful because it's a simple, pure sport car at an affordable price, not a technology marvel. I wouldn't say the S2000 has been that successful in term of sales number.
That is not what I said. The S2000 is not a big seller, but I was refering to how it is more technologicly advanced than what GM builds.
Where I made the refrence to sales is The Wrangler and Miata enjoy a cult following, it is the only thing that keeps their brands alive, they are not selling more and more of them to first time buyers of that model. Buyers of Miatas and Jeeps are people who have already owned that car and are back for seconds. Other than old ladies buying caddies or Baby Boomer buying 'vetts, I cannot think of any car GM makes (trucks excluded) that keeps lots of people coming back for more.
so what you just did was name one of honda's halo cars, and then neglected the halo car of GM? yea... thats logical.
you are one hell of a morAn
Googer
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Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: Pocatello
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
might sell?
you mean the car that already has 10000 orders before it ever hit the showroom? when the max they can produce is about 20-30k a year?
yea it might sell
Ok, but will it have a loyal following like the Jeep Wrangler or Mazda Miata has? That is what I mean by a car that sells.
A lot of car models sell well their first year but after the initial demand has been met is their going to be enough repeat demand to keep the nameplate alive? I am not sure and I doubt that the car is as technologicly advanced as the S2000 or Miata; GM has been slacking in these areas.
The Miata has been successful because it's a simple, pure sport car at an affordable price, not a technology marvel. I wouldn't say the S2000 has been that successful in term of sales number.
That is not what I said. The S2000 is not a big seller, but I was refering to how it is more technologicly advanced than what GM builds.
Where I made the refrence to sales is The Wrangler and Miata enjoy a cult following, it is the only thing that keeps their brands alive, they are not selling more and more of them to first time buyers of that model. Buyers of Miatas and Jeeps are people who have already owned that car and are back for seconds. Other than old ladies buying caddies or Baby Boomer buying 'vetts, I cannot think of any car GM makes (trucks excluded) that keeps lots of people coming back for more.
so what you just did was name one of honda's halo cars, and then neglected the halo car of GM? yea... thats logical.
you are one hell of a morAn
Halo Car? What is that?
I forgot to add the word: Young Buyers Coming Back for more. By the way tell that UAW boss of yours he's fired.
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: Pocatello
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
might sell?
you mean the car that already has 10000 orders before it ever hit the showroom? when the max they can produce is about 20-30k a year?
yea it might sell
Ok, but will it have a loyal following like the Jeep Wrangler or Mazda Miata has? That is what I mean by a car that sells.
A lot of car models sell well their first year but after the initial demand has been met is their going to be enough repeat demand to keep the nameplate alive? I am not sure and I doubt that the car is as technologicly advanced as the S2000 or Miata; GM has been slacking in these areas.
The Miata has been successful because it's a simple, pure sport car at an affordable price, not a technology marvel. I wouldn't say the S2000 has been that successful in term of sales number.
That is not what I said. The S2000 is not a big seller, but I was refering to how it is more technologicly advanced than what GM builds.
Where I made the refrence to sales is The Wrangler and Miata enjoy a cult following, it is the only thing that keeps their brands alive, they are not selling more and more of them to first time buyers of that model. Buyers of Miatas and Jeeps are people who have already owned that car and are back for seconds. Other than old ladies buying caddies or Baby Boomer buying 'vetts, I cannot think of any car GM makes (trucks excluded) that keeps lots of people coming back for more.
so what you just did was name one of honda's halo cars, and then neglected the halo car of GM? yea... thats logical.
you are one hell of a morAn
Halo Car? What is that?
I forgot to add the word: Young Buyers Coming Back for more. By the way tell that UAW boss of yours he's fired.
halo car, the best performance car you sell. the car ppl dream of owning.
you dont get it.
Honda has one halo car, the NSX.
the s2000 however is as close to honda's halo car as you will come in the U.S.
im done. what you just said is laughable.
a Civic, a halo car.
A halo car is a car the manufacturer makes purely to increase the prestige of their brand, not to make money on the car itself. For example, it probably costs chrysler more money to engineer the Viper and build factories for it then they actually make selling it, but it's worth it because it brings people in showrooms and it makes them want a dodge.
Googer
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Easy, Take a Civic change the car a bit (maybe leather, better wheels, turbo, etc) and change an extra 75k. Bam A Halo Car!
Highend cars are not enough to sustain a buisness, even Porsche knows that; it is the reason why they produce a cheaper Boxster and provide industrial design services. Things Porsche Designed: Harley Davidson Engine, Grundig Radio, LaCIE Hard Drive case, Best Buy Computers, etc.
What I was referring to was a sustainable buisness model for GM and I am not sure if the solstice has what it takes to be a sustainable model, it could be cancelled in 5-8 years. Considering they are loosing on average of $2500 USD per car this needs to work for them.
My personal past experiences with GM cars has not been great and I am reluctant to purchase anything made by them. I am a Ford/Toyota/BMW (america, europe, asia in that order) and second place little a bit of a Honda/DaimlerChrysler kind of person
Other than totally ripping BMW off on the design -- we'll have to wait and see what kind of power it produces. Still a Pontiac regardless.
DainBramaged
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Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: NFS4
Do you say the same thing about the grill on BMWs?
Don't recall any BMW's grilles bothering me...can you be more specific? "BMW" is pretty general...
Z4
See that doesn't look too bad to me. The Solstrice looks like it uses industrial strength chicken wire, or something that riced out Civics would use
Not even going there. You obviously don't listen even though Mike tried to ram it into your skullI don't think anyone here said Solstice is going to "sustain" GM. It will certainly take off well and if they can create the kind of following that cars like the Miata have then it will keep going. Even if it DOESN'T keep going, what's wrong with that? It helps boost GM up a bit, people get a kick @$$ car that is right for the times (and not BEYOND it), and everyone's happy.
Okay, LINK?
Where do you get this amount from?
quakefiend420
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Googer
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Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
I don't think anyone here said Solstice is going to "sustain" GM. It will certainly take off well and if they can create the kind of following that cars like the Miata have then it will keep going. Even if it DOESN'T keep going, what's wrong with that? It helps boost GM up a bit, people get a kick @$$ car that is right for the times (and not BEYOND it), and everyone's happy.
Okay, LINK?
Where do you get this amount from?
Best Buy Brand Computers are labeld VPR. I have no links at the moment, But these are things I know from shopping around, Have read in magazenes, newspapers, watching First Buisness, etc. Some one else can can comfirm what I am saying here that Porsche Desgns things other than cars.
So my number (eh-hem memory) was a off.
But the point is that GM is loosing big time on each car. Toyota could easily pay GM for their losses and still make an average $799 profit!
GM lost an average of $1,227 per vehicle sold in North America during the first half of the year. Ford followed that with a per-vehicle loss of $139. The Chrysler group pushed into positive territory with a per-vehicle profit of $186.
Nissan, Toyota and Honda, however, all netted more than $1,000 per vehicle, with Nissan on top with $1,826.
Toyota followed with a per-vehicle net of $1,488, and then Honda with $1,023.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/08/gm_leads_in_los.html
Googer
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...rticle/2005/04/29/AR2005042901385.html
But GM's stock price is down 45 percent from a year ago; its market capitalization is smaller than Harley-Davidson's. This is partly because GM is a welfare state.
In 1962 half the cars sold in America were made by GM. Now its market share is roughly 25 percent. In 1999 the Big Three -- GM, Ford, Chrysler -- had a 71 percent market share. Their share is now 58 percent and falling. Twenty-three percent of those working for auto companies in North America now work for companies other than the Big Three, up from 14.6 percent just five years ago.
GM says health expenditures -- $1,525 per car produced; there is more health care than steel in a GM vehicle's price tag
GM says its health care burdens, negotiated with the United Auto Workers, put it at a $5 billion disadvantage against Toyota in the United States, because Japan's government, not Japanese employers, provides almost all health care in Japan.
But GM's stock price is down 45 percent from a year ago; its market capitalization is smaller than Harley-Davidson's. This is partly because GM is a welfare state.
In 1962 half the cars sold in America were made by GM. Now its market share is roughly 25 percent. In 1999 the Big Three -- GM, Ford, Chrysler -- had a 71 percent market share. Their share is now 58 percent and falling. Twenty-three percent of those working for auto companies in North America now work for companies other than the Big Three, up from 14.6 percent just five years ago.
GM says health expenditures -- $1,525 per car produced; there is more health care than steel in a GM vehicle's price tag
GM says its health care burdens, negotiated with the United Auto Workers, put it at a $5 billion disadvantage against Toyota in the United States, because Japan's government, not Japanese employers, provides almost all health care in Japan.
Pontiac = CRAP
GTO=400hp Stock! WOWOMG that would be so great if that POS didnt fall apart withen 2 years.
GTO=400hp Stock! WOWOMG that would be so great if that POS didnt fall apart withen 2 years.
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