Spy Shots: ?05 Chrysler 300C

[filmmaker]

Originally posted by: Kenazo

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: BigSmooth
They might offer a convertible version? That would certainly be interesting.

Well, this is the convertible:

http://www.cardesignnews.com/events/detroit2000/features/chrysler-300hemi.html

F*&king beautiful

WOW!! look at the gate on that shifter... You've got to guide your stick pretty smoothly through that slot or you'd never get to drive.

WD-40

 

[DanTMWTMP]

follow up to the 300M?!...nooooo i really liked the 300M design and they shoulda followed up on that instead of this..it looks too classy...but don't get me wrong, it looks great, but 300's are sport sedans...and should look sporty, not classy

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel

I don't get the 300M. I test drove one. You can get twice the car (2003 Accord) for $10,000 less and actually have something that has quality construction and that you can depend on. You'd have to be crazy to throw your money away on that thing.

300M's are not for everyone. If you're comparing it to an Accord, then it's obviously not for you. The 300M is a cross between a luxury car and a sports car. If you're comparing it to an Accord, or a Beetle, or a Ferrari, or a Lincoln Navigator, then it doesn't make any sense.

And once you add enough options to your Accord to get what comes standard on the 300M, you're nowhere near $10,000 difference.

Then again, I suspect you were really just saying "I don't like the 300M" in a less-than-social way, in which case the response would be "thanks for your opinion."

Actually, Rio, Snatchface has proclaimed in previous threads that his accord is a sports car.
:Q

 

[Rio Rebel]

Actually, Rio, Snatchface has proclaimed in previous threads that his accord is a sports car.

Oh.

Um.....okay.

 

[The Sauce]

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel

I don't get the 300M. I test drove one. You can get twice the car (2003 Accord) for $10,000 less and actually have something that has quality construction and that you can depend on. You'd have to be crazy to throw your money away on that thing.

300M's are not for everyone. If you're comparing it to an Accord, then it's obviously not for you. The 300M is a cross between a luxury car and a sports car. If you're comparing it to an Accord, or a Beetle, or a Ferrari, or a Lincoln Navigator, then it doesn't make any sense.

And once you add enough options to your Accord to get what comes standard on the 300M, you're nowhere near $10,000 difference.

Then again, I suspect you were really just saying "I don't like the 300M" in a less-than-social way, in which case the response would be "thanks for your opinion."

Thank you for playing, please try again. Man, what a joke. As usual ignorance and prejudice prevails on these forums. I analyzed these two cars in detail before buying and test drove both (can you say the same?). Don't fool yourself by thinking the 300M is in a different class just because Chrysler markets it as a "luxury/performance" car. It may be in a different class...special ed. Compared to the Accord 6-Speed coupe the 300M (special edition) has identical displacement and HP, but adds 450 pounds. They are roughly the same size otherwise. It's significantly slower (see exact numbers below), and goes slower with significantly worse fuel efficiency. The Accord Coupe comes with more standard features, luxury features and performance features than the 300M (the only feature the 300M has that the Accord does not is a trip computer...not worth 10K). The Accord's interior is rated vastly superior with regard to construction, layout and materials (see below). Handling on the 300 is rated as worse in every category except braking. The 300M is really just an overpriced laughingstock. I laughed my way out of the dealership after they told me the sticker price of mid 30's. Just to help you with your denial, here's some quotes from Edmunds' review of the not-so-Special Edition:

"the 3.5-liter V6 gets caught flat-footed when the throttle is punched from a rolling start. Mid-range response is strong, but the 300 is a large car, and we extracted a relatively leisurely 0-to-60 time of 7.6 seconds during our testing. In terms of refinement, this Chrysler still is no match for the Nissan Maxima's sweet V6 of identical displacement. " (PS - the Accord coupe's 0-60 time is similar to the 350Z by a few tenths/s)

"The transmission proved to be the weakest part of the Special's mechanical package, exhibiting slushy upshifts and delayed downshifts."

"the inherent "pudge factor" that plagues the regular 300M. "

"Immediately noticeable is the car's harsh ride and the tendency for the giant tires to wander and tramline on grooved pavement. There's also plenty of road rumble evident in the cabin."

"Our test car's build quality left much to be desired. Delivered to us with fewer than 6,000 miles on the odometer, our test 300M Special suffered a dash rattle, a headliner squeak, and creaking doors and door panels. The rear fascia was misaligned, and the front passenger door rubbed on the firewall silencer pad each time it was opened or closed. "

So there's your "performance and luxury" car in a nutshell

Quite impressive, as you said. Not to mention the fact that you can drive the Accord without having to worry about pieces falling off of the chassis or catching fire - as Chrysler is world reknown for it's extraordinary poor build quality and reliability. I feel badly for anyone who got duped into spending their hard earned cash on this car instead of the "comparable" (price-class) Lexus, Infinity, Acura or BMW. I'd be pissed.

I am glad that you like your car and I guess it's not surprising that you are now Chrysler fanboi #1 and feel the need to defend your ill-conceived purchase despite all of the obvious deficiencies. I am just trying to help other people to not make the same mistake.

 

[BatmanNate]

Originally posted by: isekii
I guess since they can't come out with good looking cars, they gotta go backwards to where it originally started.

The Viper is a very nice looking car if you ask me, in all incarnations.

 

[The Sauce]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel

I don't get the 300M. I test drove one. You can get twice the car (2003 Accord) for $10,000 less and actually have something that has quality construction and that you can depend on. You'd have to be crazy to throw your money away on that thing.

300M's are not for everyone. If you're comparing it to an Accord, then it's obviously not for you. The 300M is a cross between a luxury car and a sports car. If you're comparing it to an Accord, or a Beetle, or a Ferrari, or a Lincoln Navigator, then it doesn't make any sense.

And once you add enough options to your Accord to get what comes standard on the 300M, you're nowhere near $10,000 difference.

Then again, I suspect you were really just saying "I don't like the 300M" in a less-than-social way, in which case the response would be "thanks for your opinion."

Actually, Rio, Snatchface has proclaimed in previous threads that his accord is a sports car.
:Q

Any data to prove the contrary? Or just running your cake-hole as usual.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

The 300M has nothign to do with sports cars. It's a weak FWD luxury sedan.

 

[ElFenix]

well, for 1, sports cars have to be RWD. FWD is merely "sporty"

 

[lowtech1]

IMHO, the 300M still look much nicer.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: Snatchface

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel

I don't get the 300M. I test drove one. You can get twice the car (2003 Accord) for $10,000 less and actually have something that has quality construction and that you can depend on. You'd have to be crazy to throw your money away on that thing.

300M's are not for everyone. If you're comparing it to an Accord, then it's obviously not for you. The 300M is a cross between a luxury car and a sports car. If you're comparing it to an Accord, or a Beetle, or a Ferrari, or a Lincoln Navigator, then it doesn't make any sense.

And once you add enough options to your Accord to get what comes standard on the 300M, you're nowhere near $10,000 difference.

Then again, I suspect you were really just saying "I don't like the 300M" in a less-than-social way, in which case the response would be "thanks for your opinion."

Actually, Rio, Snatchface has proclaimed in previous threads that his accord is a sports car.
:Q

Any data to prove the contrary? Or just running your cake-hole as usual.

i apologize, you called it high performance.

But in high performance, good, expensive cars, silly things like engine wear make a difference to those of us who own them.

quote taken from here

EDIT: BTW, i saw the new Dodge Magnum today on the road. I'm not a big fan of the station wagon look, though.

 

[Rio Rebel]

Snatch face (appropriately named):

Enjoy your Accord, your pathetic attitude, your low status in life, and your unenviable future based on your utter lack of social skills.

I hope you DID save $10,000. You'll need it.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
Snatch face (appropriately named):

Enjoy your Accord, your pathetic attitude, your low status in life, and your unenviable future based on your utter lack of social skills.

I hope you DID save $10,000. You'll need it.

LOL

 

[BigSmooth]

Snatchface, are you seriously calling someone else a "fanboi"? Let's look at the sequence of this thread up to your post.

[*]He posts in a thread regarding the upcoming Chrysler 300C that he owns and likes the 300M.
[*]For some reason, you come into this thread and sh!t all over Chrysler and the 300M in particular, saying "you'd have to be crazy to throw your money away on that thing".
[*]He defends his car, really saying nothing overtly negative about your car.
[*]He agrees with iamwiz82 that the Accord Coupe is not a "sports car" (which many people would agree with since the classic definition of a "sports car" excludes front-wheel drive vehicles).
[*]You jump down his throat calling him an "ignorant, prejudiced fanboi" all the while touting your own perfect car and trashing his car some more.

Whose behavior would seem to better fit the description of "fanboi"?

Hell, I've never seen someone as overzealous about their car as you are (not just in this thread, but others as well). It's a nice car but you act like it's Jesus Christ in mechanical form. All other choices are WRONG to you. Even though I agree with some of your points it's hard to take you seriously when you act like a jackass.

 

[sandorski]

Chrysler's design really sucked during the 80's, at least in the Upper End(lower end sucked too, but the lower end of most sucked as well). That said, Chrysler has always been designing great cars.

 

[The Sauce]

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
Snatch face (appropriately named):

Enjoy your Accord, your pathetic attitude, your low status in life, and your unenviable future based on your utter lack of social skills.

I hope you DID save $10,000. You'll need it.

Ah...exactly as I expected. When confronted with plain facts, rather than admit culpability the low-of-intellect will result to insult and name calling rather than discussing the issues. I see this here over and over. I am actually getting kinda tired of it. Oh well.

 

[The Sauce]

Originally posted by: BigSmooth
Snatchface, are you seriously calling someone else a "fanboi"? Let's look at the sequence of this thread up to your post.

[*]He posts in a thread regarding the upcoming Chrysler 300C that he owns and likes the 300M.
[*]For some reason, you come into this thread and sh!t all over Chrysler and the 300M in particular, saying "you'd have to be crazy to throw your money away on that thing".
[*]He defends his car, really saying nothing overtly negative about your car.
[*]He agrees with iamwiz82 that the Accord Coupe is not a "sports car" (which many people would agree with since the classic definition of a "sports car" excludes front-wheel drive vehicles).
[*]You jump down his throat calling him an "ignorant, prejudiced fanboi" all the while touting your own perfect car and trashing his car some more.

Whose behavior would seem to better fit the description of "fanboi"?

Hell, I've never seen someone as overzealous about their car as you are (not just in this thread, but others as well). It's a nice car but you act like it's Jesus Christ in mechanical form. All other choices are WRONG to you. Even though I agree with some of your points it's hard to take you seriously when you act like a jackass.

As susal, another one name-calling and ignoring all the facts presented [sigh]. Fine, I'll try to be reasonable and take this one point at a time:

He defends his car, really saying nothing overtly negative about your car.

What is there negative to say about it?

He agrees with iamwiz82 that the Accord Coupe is not a "sports car" (which many people would agree with since the classic definition of a "sports car" excludes front-wheel drive vehicles).

It has already been clarified that I never said the Accord was a sport's car. However, on the scale of such things I was just saying that it has more performance features than the 300 for much, much less.

You jump down his throat calling him an "ignorant, prejudiced fanboi" all the while touting your own perfect car and trashing his car some more.

Simply making a point about how there are much better cars out there in general for much less. Statement of fact.

are you seriously calling someone else a "fanboi"?

I stated it would be impossible to logically conclude that the 300M is a better car than other cars in it's price range such as the Lexus, Acura, Infinity, or BMW. So again, how does that make me a fanboi??

Perhaps try reading and synthesizing things before spouting off like an ignoramus in the future. People will take you more seriously.

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
I've never owned a car that I loved half as much as my 300M. It's a fantastic car.

Like many people, I had a negative opinion of Chrysler until I actually bought one. Now I'm going to be tough to convince to switch.

awesome man.. I love my Chrysler too and I liked my last one too... enough that I'm trying to work a deal on trading in on a 2003 Dakota SLT 4x4..
the 300 cars are awesome... 300M is totally under rated!

 

[BigSmooth]

Originally posted by: Snatchface

Perhaps try reading and synthesizing things before spouting off like an ignoramus in the future. People will take you more seriously.

Oh, I read quite well, thanks. I read car threads on this forum all the time and all you seem to do is thread crap and bash cars you don't like while maintaining an arrogant, condescending attitude at all times. Meanwhile, your car is perfect and anyone who doesn't think so is an idiot. This thread is just a microcosm of your attitude, particularly towards domestic cars.

In fact, the last car I can think of that you liked was... the Acura TSX. Wow, that's certainly a coincidence! If I didn't know better, I might think you were a fanboi. Good thing you're not!

 

[The Sauce]

Ok, so then again I ask, Mr. I-read-quite-well, where's the discussion of the issue? Why have both of you ignored all the facts presented and attacked my character? Thus far the thread can be summarized as follows:

1.) I stated an opinion
2.) that opinion was disputed (with some name calling),
2.) I presented facts,
3.) you called names and derided my character (no discussion of facts).

If I'm such a moron and egotist, then how come there is no actual discussion about the argument I presented? You see, that is the typical response I was alluding to here on the forums. When there is no way to end a discussion with the conclusion that you might be wrong, everyone here resorts to character assault and insult-hurling. And you are quite no different my friend. It's actually sad in a way....moreso that people can not admit being wrong. I think that I am the only one here who I have ever seen do so.

 

[bootymac]

Quiet or NFS4 will spank!

 

[BigSmooth]

Originally posted by: Snatchface
Ok, so then again I ask, Mr. I-read-quite-well, where's the discussion of the issue? Why have both of you ignored all the facts presented and attacked my character? Thus far the thread can be summarized as follows:

1.) I stated an opinion
2.) that opinion was disputed (with some name calling),
2.) I presented facts,
3.) you called names and derided my character (no discussion of facts).

If I'm such a moron and egotist, then how come there is no actual discussion about the argument I presented? You see, that is the typical response I was alluding to here on the forums. When there is no way to end a discussion with the conclusion that you might be wrong, everyone here resorts to character assault and insult-hurling. And you are quite no different my friend. It's actually sad in a way....moreso that people can not admit being wrong. I think that I am the only one here who I have ever seen do so.

I never said I disagreed with any of the facts you presented. In fact, you were correct about the Accord's performance and feature set for the price point. I'm not sure where you're reading any argument of those facts into anything I said. Perhaps you are just being combative. No surprise there.

Here's what I take issue with (ran a quick search):

Regarding GM engines:

If they're new, then how can you say anything about the reliability? hmm...I guess you can't. And their track record is piss poor. They'll need >10 years of "reliability" for anyone to start taking GM seriously again. As far as reliability goes, no one has a worse reputation than GM. PS - Don't worry about being owned, it happens when you say stupid $hit.

A thread you started about the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution and Dodge Neon SRT-4:

I can't believe that t Mitsu took the Lancer, easily the ugliest and most poorly constructed car in the history of the world, and Dodge with it's Neon, beyond doubt the crappiest car ever made by any manufacturer on the planet, and dropped monster powerplants into them --> Evo and SRT-4. And PEOPLE ARE BUYING THEM?!?

I mean it would be embarassing enough to have to drive one of those crap-bucket eyesores that drop parts behind them as they go, but then to overpay and get them with bigger engines so that they can explode or fall apart faster? Who are the morons buying these things? Reminds my of a idiot friend in college who bought an early 90's Hyundai and dropped thousands of $$ in extras into it to have, in the end, a supremely craptacular car that made more noise and had shiny rims. It just makes no sense. Someone please explain it to me.

Someone posted a thread looking for help with their Ford Taurus:

Well the problem seems to be that you actually purchased the Ford Bore-us. The only solution is to sell it or total it. The CD player problem is minor in comparison.

Regarding the Mazda 6:

Thats just sad. The 6 is a scraggly old crack whore compared to the TSX as far as looks go. Not even in the same league...by a long shot.

Your attitude in each thread is immature and disdainful at best. You've shown a huge bias towards Honda since buying your Accord, yet you call other people "fanbois".

That's what I was commenting on, and I stand by my comments.

 

[Rogue]

Why are we comparing a coupe to a sedan again? I just want to make sure I'm reading things right.

Oh, and my motorcycle's faster than your Accord.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Rogue
Why are we comparing a coupe to a sedan again? I just want to make sure I'm reading things right.

Oh, and my motorcycle's faster than your Accord.

Not to mention a lot cooler!

 

[NFS4]

OK, stop comparing the Accord to the 300M. There is no comparison. Granted, the 300M might not have the best interior and its engine is not as refined as the Accord's, but they are still in different market segments...

Now if you want to do some REAL 300M bashing, you can do it EASILY...just play fair

Acura TL Type-S
Infiniti G35
Lexus ES300
Cadillac CTS
Audi A4 3.0...

The list goes on and on. Given Chrysler's reputation for poor quality, shoddy interiors and craptastic transmissions, I wouldn't touch a 300M with a ten foot pole. Don't get me wrong...for a Chrysler, it's pretty damned good. But compared to the competition, it's has been.