Sprint ION Direct 1.5Mb/384Kb Static IP DSL $44.99

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Sprint is offering ION Direct 1.5Mb/384Kb DSL connection with static IP for only $44.99 a month with no contract. Installation is free and all you need to buy is a Sprint hub (they call it a hub but it sounds like a DSL bridge/router) for a promotion price of $50 (normally $99.99). I currently have the original PacBell 1.5Mb/128Kb static IP plan for $50 (still waiting since Feb '00 for them to change my plan to $39.95).

As comparison, my cousin just got his PacBell DSL installed for $39.95. He gets a dynamic IP instead of static and he has to put up with the PPPOE software garbage (just another layer of problem). His top download throughput is about 40Kbps. He found out from PacBell that he is capped at 384KBps. He requested that they remove his cap but instead they wanted to charge him more to remove it. Isn't this false advertisement since they advertise 384Kbps - 1.5Mbps? Anyhow, I ran across this new Sprint DSL plan and told him about it. Shortly afterwards he emailed me to say that he cancelled PacBell DSL and signed up for this service instead. I also signed up for Sprint ION Direct today.

Unlimited ADSL Internet access
1.5 Mbps downstream / 384 Kbps upstream
5 Email addresses
Personal Start page
Personal Web page (6 MB)

Sprint ION Products and Pricing
 

tomcat

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This sounds like a great deal!
They also say that you recieve the hub/router for free if you sign up for one year. I'm currently paying $50 per month for MediaOne/ATT cable thats 1.5mbit down, 300k up. The upload bandwith on this is a bit faster plus it is in theory a dedicated connection. Now the problem. Doesnt seem to be available in my area of NH. Anyone know where this service is live now?

Heres something strange I just found, the service doesnt seem to be compatible with windows 2000 I dont know why this would be, but here is the anwser to one of their FAQs.

Q: What operating systems are compatible with Sprint ION?
A: Currently, Sprint ION is compatible with Windows 95/98 and MacOS 8.1 or higher. We hope to expand our offering in the near future to include Windows 2000 and Windows NT.
 

GreenGrinch

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Here's what I got:


Unfortunately, Sprint IONSM service cannot be utilized in apartment buildings with more than four units at this time.


Bummer!!!

Grinch
 

dbLA

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How about their xt2 service? It gives you 8Mbps down and 1Mbps up. And it includes 2 local phone lines and 400 minutes of domestic long distance (you dump your current local and long distance providers). The package price is 119.99 per month.

Here's the link: http://ion.sprint.com/xt2.jsp
 

drac747

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I'm like 38,000ft from my CO. They need to introduce VDSL in my area. @home blows.
 

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You get one static IP with the Sprint ION Direct plan so there's no PPPOE gargabe to deal with.

As for no Windows NT and 2000 support, I heard that some optional software is not available for those two OS' but people have been able to use the service on those OS' without the software. Also, it's a support issue. If they say that a certain OS is compatible then their tech support have to be able to support you when you call.

Their Sprint ION xt2 $119 plan is sweet but is a little too much for my budget. It wouldn't be bad if you could split the cost amongst several people (e.g. roommates, neighbors, etc). I drooled hearing about 8Mb down and 1Mb up. I hope they come up with Sprint ION xt1 (one phone line) and 8Mb/1Mb for about $80. I would jump for something like that.
 

hkchan

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From their FAQ, the ISP is Earthlink. So it's essentially the Earthlink/Mindspring DSL but with a static IP.
 

zhensel

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I live in Kansas City (Sprint's home), so I've been following the Ion saga pretty closely. Its really just a standard dsl service with a few custom options (local phone service, long distance minutes, etc). Speeds should be very decent because, well, Sprint has amazing bandwidth resources. Since dsl is not limited based on the number of simultaneous connections, and since Sprint basically is the Internet backbone, you should get great speed.

When I first heard about this, it was in a promo video for Sprint. They had this wacky "bandwidth allocation" concept where you could buy bandwidth as you needed it. A pretty decent idea, but obviously there are serious implementation problems.

Anyway, 44.95 a month is a very good deal assuming you can coordinate the installation between sprint and your local bellco without much difficulty. Especially considering most static IP packages run well over 100 bucks a month. That x2 package pointed out is also a steal. These deals are even better than when Sprint started pushing PCS service.
 

hoomza444

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well, like usual, unavailable......i would be willing to pay for something more expensive too, but nothing is available. No cabble.......no DSL......i guess i am stuck with 2.14K dl speeds for the rest of my life :(
 

huesmann

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Sounds like a good deal, I've already signed up with Earthlink, so I'm stuck with them for the next 6 months, but Sprint is something to consider in 6 months. Hopefully there will be a few more data points regarding Sprint's service by then. It's also $5 cheaper than the Earthlink in my area.
 

Dhendra

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Sprint ION® is coming soon!

Sprint ION is not currently available in your area, but it could be available as soon as 45 - 90 days from today. As we expand our coverage area, we will email you with more details.


And i've been waiting for a month for Verizon to get their act together and activate me, that's utter crap compared to this deal! (640kbps/90kbps for $39.99/mo), not to mention their not-so-good track record. Ahh well..hopefully it'll be available here soon.

 

Ape

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Sounds like a great deal but:


Unfortunately, we cannot provide service to your home at this time.

However, because technology is advancing at a rapid pace, we are continually expanding our coverage and will email you when Sprint ION® becomes available in your area.


No service in West Palm Beach. Oh well. Better luck next time. Ape Out.
 

cjchaps

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I live in in a suburb of Chicago, and I currently have the Mindspring Max DSL service. From the reading the faq it says Sprint uses Earthlink for providing the ION DSL service. Mindspring and Earthlink merged and are now the same company. I looked to see if Sprint ION was available in my area, and it said it was not. This seems wierd seeing that I already have mindspring/earthlink DSL service, and that is the provider they use, yet they say it is not available in my area. I guess spring ION uses some other type of technology than what is in my area. Oh well... No 8 Meg downloads for me :(

 

Wangel

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I believe that they have a residential and commercial rate for homes. Obviously the commerical is much higher. I was also told that I would have to get new phone numbers.
 

jqpublic

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SBC has a pretty good deal where I'm located. Their enhanced DSL package gives you a DSL line and 5 static IP's to do with as you please along with 5 emails for $80/month. The speed is pretty sweet as well. 384-1.5 down - 128 up. I consistantly get 80-100 Kbps download speeds.
 

zhensel

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Does anyone know if I could just use my cable/dsl linksys router rather than resorting to sprint's fancy hub? It seems that sprint has a all in one dsl modem + router solution. I wonder if this already has firewall functionality in it? If that is the case, it would probably be worth more than 99.99 ... anyone have experience with Ion service before?

*edit* never mind, the "hub" seems to be a regular dsl modem with 4 phone jacks in it. I bet its normal otherwise.

Let's see, southwestern bell dsl 39.95 a month + 99 equipment fee. Sprint 44.99 a month for 12 months, plus static ip, plus way better dl speed. Tough decision :)

I'll just reevaluate after a year.
 

WoundedWallet

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Aww... this sucks!

They have a 8MBup/1MBdown for near a hundred bucks. Now I'm gonna have to spend more money buying more hardrives.... ;)
 

zhensel

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WoundedWallet: I'd wager you know this, but the ratings are in MegaBITS/second, not MegaBYTES. So many people get this wrong (ex: why does my 56KB modem only dl at 5k/s? ... because 5KB per second is 40kbits/second stupid :)

So, you are actually getting a 1MB/sec download, .125MB/sec upload connection. This is still very, very fast if your speeds actually stay near the advertised rating, but I highly doubt they will. Hell, t1 is 1.5megabits/second and t3 is 25megabits/sec, so a 8megabit/second connection would saturate nearly 1/3 of a t3 connection. Hardly a viable business plan to give that out for 100 bucks a month if you ask me :)

Now, from what I recall from some information session I attended at Sprint headquarters, you should be able to get throughput near the speed rating when accessing things directly on the Sprint backbone, but straying off will greatly decrease your speed. Still, a full ADSL line for near $100 a month is too sweet to pass up if you actually download enough to justify it over a mere 1megabit connection.
 

Oligail

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Ok, I think I can spread some light on ION since I have had it installed for a few weeks. I have the Xt4 plan.

Here is the deal. The data speeds are in fact VERY fast, but hold your horses, there are negatives. I live very close to my local CO and I am capable of recieving almost the entire 8Mbps service. I have infact seen downloads speeds that are very high, sometimes as high as 630kbps. Here is the problem though, all traffic is routed through the ION center in Kansas City. I assume that this is due to the voice and other services traffic needing to hit a central router somewhere but I am not sure about this.

Regardless my latency on most sites is in the 130 to 170 millisecond area. This causes some serious speed issues due to the way that TCP traffic is handled. (If you know better about tcp traffic than I do, please dont flame me on this, I am not a expert. A clarification would be nice though.) Anyway, this latency required some serious tweaking to my PC and my Mac TCP stacks and I am fairly content now that on large file downloads from fast servers I can typically get speeds of 380kbps - usual test downloads from Adobe.com and Apple.com. I am still pretty much let down that I am getting half of my capable speed but not enough to complain because these speeds are more than adequate. However, the latency does cause some sites to initially connect rather slowly in comparison.

I have had ISDN, PacBell DSL and @Home. Although the others tended to have better latency times, I HATE PACBELL and @Home was annoying when my neighbor would sign on and cut my speed severly.

In regards to the LinkSys or other routers and the ION Hub. The ION Hub has phone ports for your home lines (In my case 4 of them). A DSL modem and (in my case again) 2 10/100 etherenet cards. The cards are bridged and thus, only one of the ports needs to be plugged in to your LAN. The other port will be bridged to your LAN and will give a sole computer connected to it full access to the LAN with no configuration necessary. As for connecting your router, Sprint even suggests some Routers with FireWall protection on their site so they have no problem with you using one. I am using a Apple Airport as a DHCP server for my home network, but any should work fine.

In regards to OS use, the ION system is using standard protocols and so any system can work on it. In fact the Mac was just added as a supported platform in the last few days. It wasn't supported when I got my install. While the installers were at my home working, I allowed them to mess with my only supported computer, a PC running Win98 and I sat next to them and configured my Win2000 box and my Mac and they didn't care at all. I suppose the comment about having to support a computer they list is the problem here. The ION config software is web based and should have no problems with any Java compliant and secure browser. And by the way, the ION techs told me that they will not be implementing any PPPoE now or in the furture :)

Now for my phone lines, Sprint will take your existing phone numbers from your local telco and "Port" them to your Sprint ION account. In other words my 3 Pacbell phone numbers are now Sprint ION numbers. So I did get to keep my original phone numbers. One of the lines however has to be a Sprint generated phone number. So my 4th line is from Sprint. For those of you considering 2 Line ION service if you have 2 lines already, you'll likely have to give up one of them, unless you go to the 4 line service.

As for Apartments, Sprint told me that this has to do with the central wiring used in mutli unit buildings. If your building has a line router in the basement, they arent ready for you yet, but they do infact plan on adding that service in the near future.

Additionally of note Sprint Tech Support is SUPERB! I have never dealt with better support people with any product ever. If there is a complaint, its that they call you too much. One thing that you will never worry about with Sprint ION is "Are they gonna work on my problem?" You'll know they are doing something. The technology is new and sometimes figuring out the problem may be annoying, but you'll be very satisfied with the support you get. This alone was enough to make me happy because this was the reason that I wanted to leave Pacbell in the first place. Pacbell customer support is terrible and the people are down right RUDE. Even though I know they don't care, I was thrilled that Sprint is giving them competition and they are losing my money. (Sorry can't help but vent... I should tell you sometime about my personal hell with that company... hehehe)

Anyway, back to the point of the forum... My bills have changed as follows: Pacbell 2 regular voice lines, with forwarding, remote forwarding, delayed forwarding, conference, and call waiting were approximatley $72.00 per month. No voicemail, caller id or other services, not including local long distance or regular long distance. Pacbell DSL line on line 3. Standard Phone service on DSL line and occasional long distance faxing and a single IP address at the 1.54-384/128 service. Cost $64 per month. Combined my bills were $136 per month.

Spring ION 4 line service. 750 long distance miuntes, unlimmited local toll calls, voice mail on all lines, caller id - all lines, forwarding - all lines, delayed forwarding - all lines. And the Data line on top of that with 2 IPs (see above for speeds hehehe). You can also reconfigure your services, switch your phone jacks, add or delete stuff, whatever with the software free of charge. This is a great value. Considering Pacbell would charge $6 per line for Voice mail and another $6 per line for Caller ID thats another $48, and then if you wanted Pacbell DSL 6Mbps service that would be another $130 extra you get the idea. Pacbell equvalent services - $314.00 (before local tolls and long distance) vs Sprint ION $149 all included.

If you can use the services offered, Sprint ION in my opinion is the best deal you can get for phone and data services. If you have more questions, post them to the board and I will try to get back to you. Good luck and by the way be prepared for atleast a 30 - 60 day wait to get your install. This isn't so much Sprint's problem as it is purposeful delays on the part of your local telco who has to do some rewiring to complete the install because they own the actual copper connected to your home. They do what they can to keep you from switching, but they are required to do it by law, so they just do it slow.

<And now to catch my breath again... ahhhhh>


 

WoundedWallet

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zhensel, thanks for correcting me. Yes I do know the difference, but it doesn't mean that I don't get confused sometimes.

In any case this type of connection would be blissfull to me not only for downloads, but also because I'm running a webserver in which I host several domains for friends and family.

So this would be a 10x improvement from what I get right now. Which btw is more than the advertised 768/128. I usually download around 900, and the dsl tech told me my line can go to this fantastic 8Mb/s number. So why not believe I could get something that good?

The only prob is that I'm on GTE land, and will take a few more months to get going. But I'm faithfull. If it's not ION that will come my way then will be the g.lite thingy. Either way I'll get more speed... hey this is not the &quot;have you ever taken drugs&quot; thread, is it? :)
 

SnOop005

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Does this service uses your telephone company in your area for the connection or does sprint uses its own??
 

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SnOop005: Your local telephone company owns the line running from your house to their CO. From the CO, Sprint probably has their own DSLAM, equipment, and pipes to the internet.

Oligail: Thanks for the great info. Where do you live? From what I've read not all Sprint ION customer traffic get routed through Kansas City. Not only do I expect good throughput but also good latency for interactive stuff like online games.

Btw, don't rely on the web site for availability info. Instead, call Sprint and have a person check. The web site told me it's not available but I verified with a live person and he told me it was. And, it should because I already have PacBell DSL and Sprint is using PacBell lines and CO's.
 

golemite

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Hi, currently I'm on PacBell and looking to change (though not too hard since i was grandfathered a Static IP..) I'm wondering about the high-ish latency you're experiencing.. has anyone at Sprint ION made any statements that they are trying to optimize their network for better latency?