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Sprint 4g?

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bobdole369

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OK so we started with analog cell service: AMPS with its bag phones and bricks and 3W transmitters. No data at all 800mhz stuff.

Next was TDMA/CDMA with basically push data (news websites and the like)

Next was 2G - which gave us sms and web browsers and camera phones.

2.5G (edge, gprs, evdo, etc) which made the above almost usable.

Now we have AT&T's 3g which is truly groundbreaking. dsllike speeds - usable aircards, etc.

So what does sprint bring to the table?
 
Originally posted by: bobdole369
OK so we started with analog cell service: AMPS with its bag phones and bricks and 3W transmitters. No data at all 800mhz stuff.

Next was TDMA/CDMA with basically push data (news websites and the like)

Next was 2G - which gave us sms and web browsers and camera phones.

2.5G (edge, gprs, evdo, etc) which made the above almost usable.

Now we have AT&T's 3g which is truly groundbreaking. dsllike speeds - usable aircards, etc.

So what does sprint bring to the table?
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Opps..quoted instead of edited. >.>
 
Originally posted by: bobdole369
OK so we started with analog cell service: AMPS with its bag phones and bricks and 3W transmitters. No data at all 800mhz stuff.

Next was TDMA/CDMA with basically push data (news websites and the like)

Next was 2G - which gave us sms and web browsers and camera phones.

2.5G (edge, gprs, evdo, etc) which made the above almost usable.

Now we have AT&T's 3g which is truly groundbreaking. dsllike speeds - usable aircards, etc.

So what does sprint bring to the table?
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It all has to do with the speed of the data network.

2G did not bring us SMS and Camera Phones.

Camera Phones are hardware based. SMS is very very small in the category of bandwidth hogs..it's less consuming than voice.

3G is in NO WAY groundbreaking. Tethering (aka aircards) is nothing new.

4G is basically a faster network, as were all these previous iterations. They are just faster networks.

Sprint brings a faster network. To a lot of people that is important.
 
According to wikipedia:

4G is being developed to accommodate the quality of service (QoS) and rate requirements set by forthcoming applications like wireless broadband access, Multimedia Messaging Service (MMS), video chat, mobile TV, HDTV content, Digital Video Broadcasting (DVB), minimal service like voice and data, and other streaming services for "anytime-anywhere".
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Wikipedia also says 100Mbit if moving and 1Gbit if stationary. But there is no goddamn way. 😛

A nominal data rate of 100 Mbit/s while the client physically moves at high speeds relative to the station, and 1 Gbit/s while client and station are in relatively fixed positions as defined by the ITU-R,[1]
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It all has to do with the speed of the data network.

2G did not bring us SMS and Camera Phones.

Camera Phones are hardware based. SMS is very very small in the category of bandwidth hogs..it's less consuming than voice.

3G is in NO WAY groundbreaking. Tethering (aka aircards) is nothing new.

4G is basically a faster network, as were all these previous iterations. They are just faster networks.

Sprint brings a faster network. To a lot of people that is important.
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So noted. OK so its just faster. I heard 100mbit too but how the eff??!!
 
Originally posted by: Leros
According to wikipedia:

4G is being developed to accommodate the quality of service (QoS) and rate requirements set by forthcoming applications like wireless broadband access, Multimedia Messaging Service (MMS), video chat, mobile TV, HDTV content, Digital Video Broadcasting (DVB), minimal service like voice and data, and other streaming services for "anytime-anywhere".
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Wikipedia also says 100Mbit if moving and 1Gbit if stationary. But there is no goddamn way. 😛

A nominal data rate of 100 Mbit/s while the client physically moves at high speeds relative to the station, and 1 Gbit/s while client and station are in relatively fixed positions as defined by the ITU-R,[1]
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How do you figure there is no way?

It's just a very limited area for now I'm sure. Kind of like FIOS, just imagine it back in like year 2 of deployment.
 
Originally posted by: bobdole369
So noted. OK so its just faster. I heard 100mbit too but how the eff??!!
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Dude 100Mbit is you're moving. You get 1Gbit if you're stationary.

I get 1Mbit with my 3g phone, so I can imagine 100Mbit, but 1Gbit seems a bit much.
 
Originally posted by: bobdole369
It all has to do with the speed of the data network.

2G did not bring us SMS and Camera Phones.

Camera Phones are hardware based. SMS is very very small in the category of bandwidth hogs..it's less consuming than voice.

3G is in NO WAY groundbreaking. Tethering (aka aircards) is nothing new.

4G is basically a faster network, as were all these previous iterations. They are just faster networks.

Sprint brings a faster network. To a lot of people that is important.
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So noted. OK so its just faster. I heard 100mbit too but how the eff??!!
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100mbit in my understanding is a theoretical maximum. I don't think you'll see it for a good while. =)

edit: Like Verizon could give us each 100mbit connections on their fiber network, but it would give us the potential to "clog their tubes" 😉 Instead they set a reasonable limit on how fast your connection can go.

 
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: bobdole369
It all has to do with the speed of the data network.

2G did not bring us SMS and Camera Phones.

Camera Phones are hardware based. SMS is very very small in the category of bandwidth hogs..it's less consuming than voice.

3G is in NO WAY groundbreaking. Tethering (aka aircards) is nothing new.

4G is basically a faster network, as were all these previous iterations. They are just faster networks.

Sprint brings a faster network. To a lot of people that is important.
Click to expand...

So noted. OK so its just faster. I heard 100mbit too but how the eff??!!
Click to expand...

100mbit in my understanding is a theoretical maximum. I don't think you'll see it for a good while. =)
Click to expand...

Once again, according to wikipedia, they are seeing real world numbers of 13-15Mbit which they say is enough to stream HD.
 
Originally posted by: Leros
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: bobdole369
It all has to do with the speed of the data network.

2G did not bring us SMS and Camera Phones.

Camera Phones are hardware based. SMS is very very small in the category of bandwidth hogs..it's less consuming than voice.

3G is in NO WAY groundbreaking. Tethering (aka aircards) is nothing new.

4G is basically a faster network, as were all these previous iterations. They are just faster networks.

Sprint brings a faster network. To a lot of people that is important.
Click to expand...

So noted. OK so its just faster. I heard 100mbit too but how the eff??!!
Click to expand...

100mbit in my understanding is a theoretical maximum. I don't think you'll see it for a good while. =)
Click to expand...

Once again, according to wikipedia, they are seeing real world numbers of 13-15Mbit which they say is enough to stream HD.
Click to expand...

I'm surprised they'd give that much bandwidth per phone, to be honest.

Looking..

All Wikipedia says on the topic is..

"At the present rates of 15-30 Mbit/s, 4G is capable of providing users with streaming high-definition television. At rates of 100 Mbit/s, the content of a DVD-5 (for example a movie), can be downloaded within about 5 minutes for offline access."

If they had a citation from a U.S. carrier I'd believe it, but when people aren't getting that to their homes, I'd be amazed if they had it to their phones.
 
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: Leros
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: bobdole369
It all has to do with the speed of the data network.

2G did not bring us SMS and Camera Phones.

Camera Phones are hardware based. SMS is very very small in the category of bandwidth hogs..it's less consuming than voice.

3G is in NO WAY groundbreaking. Tethering (aka aircards) is nothing new.

4G is basically a faster network, as were all these previous iterations. They are just faster networks.

Sprint brings a faster network. To a lot of people that is important.
Click to expand...

So noted. OK so its just faster. I heard 100mbit too but how the eff??!!
Click to expand...

100mbit in my understanding is a theoretical maximum. I don't think you'll see it for a good while. =)
Click to expand...

Once again, according to wikipedia, they are seeing real world numbers of 13-15Mbit which they say is enough to stream HD.
Click to expand...

I'm surprised they'd give that much bandwidth per phone, to be honest.

Looking..

All Wikipedia says on the topic is..

"At the present rates of 15-30 Mbit/s, 4G is capable of providing users with streaming high-definition television. At rates of 100 Mbit/s, the content of a DVD-5 (for example a movie), can be downloaded within about 5 minutes for offline access."

If they had a citation from a U.S. carrier I'd believe it, but when people aren't getting that to their homes, I'd be amazed if they had it to their phones.
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Why? Wireless doesn't require laying new cable to each end user when old ones get clogged.
 
Originally posted by: krylon
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: Leros
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: bobdole369
It all has to do with the speed of the data network.

2G did not bring us SMS and Camera Phones.

Camera Phones are hardware based. SMS is very very small in the category of bandwidth hogs..it's less consuming than voice.

3G is in NO WAY groundbreaking. Tethering (aka aircards) is nothing new.

4G is basically a faster network, as were all these previous iterations. They are just faster networks.

Sprint brings a faster network. To a lot of people that is important.
Click to expand...

So noted. OK so its just faster. I heard 100mbit too but how the eff??!!
Click to expand...

100mbit in my understanding is a theoretical maximum. I don't think you'll see it for a good while. =)
Click to expand...

Once again, according to wikipedia, they are seeing real world numbers of 13-15Mbit which they say is enough to stream HD.
Click to expand...

I'm surprised they'd give that much bandwidth per phone, to be honest.

Looking..

All Wikipedia says on the topic is..

"At the present rates of 15-30 Mbit/s, 4G is capable of providing users with streaming high-definition television. At rates of 100 Mbit/s, the content of a DVD-5 (for example a movie), can be downloaded within about 5 minutes for offline access."

If they had a citation from a U.S. carrier I'd believe it, but when people aren't getting that to their homes, I'd be amazed if they had it to their phones.
Click to expand...

Why? Wireless doesn't require laying new cable to each end user when old ones get clogged.
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A wire can each have its own bandwidth to the user. All users in an area share the same wireless bandwidths.
 
Sprint shouldn't be able to call their new crap "4G", since they're nowhere near the expected speed ratings for it. 3.5G, maybe.
 
4G should be complete satellite coverage. I want to check my fucking e-mail on my iphone 7.0 in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
 
Originally posted by: invidia
4G should be complete satellite coverage. I want to check my fucking e-mail on my iphone 7.0 in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
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I just want Pandora to keep playing when I'm driving in the middle of nowhere.
 
Originally posted by: Leros
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: bobdole369
It all has to do with the speed of the data network.

2G did not bring us SMS and Camera Phones.

Camera Phones are hardware based. SMS is very very small in the category of bandwidth hogs..it's less consuming than voice.

3G is in NO WAY groundbreaking. Tethering (aka aircards) is nothing new.

4G is basically a faster network, as were all these previous iterations. They are just faster networks.

Sprint brings a faster network. To a lot of people that is important.
Click to expand...

So noted. OK so its just faster. I heard 100mbit too but how the eff??!!
Click to expand...

100mbit in my understanding is a theoretical maximum. I don't think you'll see it for a good while. =)
Click to expand...

Once again, according to wikipedia, they are seeing real world numbers of 13-15Mbit which they say is enough to stream HD.
Click to expand...

How many users per cell tower can simultaneously receive 13-15 Mbit/second?
 
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Leros
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: bobdole369
It all has to do with the speed of the data network.

2G did not bring us SMS and Camera Phones.

Camera Phones are hardware based. SMS is very very small in the category of bandwidth hogs..it's less consuming than voice.

3G is in NO WAY groundbreaking. Tethering (aka aircards) is nothing new.

4G is basically a faster network, as were all these previous iterations. They are just faster networks.

Sprint brings a faster network. To a lot of people that is important.
Click to expand...

So noted. OK so its just faster. I heard 100mbit too but how the eff??!!
Click to expand...

100mbit in my understanding is a theoretical maximum. I don't think you'll see it for a good while. =)
Click to expand...

Once again, according to wikipedia, they are seeing real world numbers of 13-15Mbit which they say is enough to stream HD.
Click to expand...

How many users per cell tower can simultaneously receive 13-15 Mbit/second?
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Well, from my understanding a cell tower broadcasts in 6 different directions around it. Each on a slightly different frequency. So, in one of these 6 areas, all of the users would be sharing X Mbits of bandwidth.
 
Well, from my understanding a cell tower broadcasts in 6 different directions around it. Each on a slightly different frequency. So, in one of these 6 areas, all of the users would be sharing X Mbits of bandwidth
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It is a LOT more complicated than that.

I stopped being able to understand the multiplex methods when CDMA and TDMA were out. Basically CDMA means "code division multiple access" and TDMA is "time division multiple access".

TDMA is like token ring, you have to be told its time to transmit (or on a predetermined schedule)- and everyone transmits only on his turn. CDMA is weird - you transmit over a large bandwidth and based on code - the cell site decodes your transmission on the air.

So not only does the cell site not just operate on one (or 6) frequencies - I'm willing to bet that 3G has something like THOUSANDS of possible channels/frequencies - any number of which could be used at one time by all cell sites. Purely speculation though - someone whos an RF engineer for the cell companies would know much better than I.
 
" A 4G system will be a complete replacement for current networks and be able to provide a comprehensive and secure IP solution where voice, data, and streamed multimedia can be given to users on an "Anytime, Anywhere" basis, and at much higher data rates than previous generations."

"the infrastructure for 4G will be only packet-based(all-IP)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G
 
Originally posted by: bobdole369
OK so we started with analog cell service: AMPS with its bag phones and bricks and 3W transmitters. No data at all 800mhz stuff.

Next was TDMA/CDMA with basically push data (news websites and the like)

Next was 2G - which gave us sms and web browsers and camera phones.

2.5G (edge, gprs, evdo, etc) which made the above almost usable.

Now we have AT&T's 3g which is truly groundbreaking. dsllike speeds - usable aircards, etc.

So what does sprint bring to the table?
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evdo is 3G. verison and sprint had it for years. att took it's time coming to the party. tmobile hasn't even started yet, iirc.
 
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