I have a question about what goes on in the movie for those of you that saw it (possible hole in the plot?). why does barbossa and the crew of the black pearl need turner's blood to end the curse? was the original turner (bootstrap bill) part of the crew? if so, what was so special about him?
*SPOILER* Pirates of the Caribbean
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he was part of the crew but he left all of them, instead of staying with them. They all died and there blood was shed onboard. He died elsewhere so they needed his blood, as well as the gold peice he took with him.
they needed his blood to life the curse. bootstrap didn't like what they did to jack sparrow, (the mutiny) and they tied his boots to a canonball and shot him out. he gave the gold piece to his only son, who carries his blood. that's why.
He didn't leave them, per say. If you remember, when they're all in the prison cells of the Black Pearl and those two dimwits are mopping, the dimwits explain the story. Bootstrap was a pirate on board when Sparrow was captain. Then Barbossa went on his mutany, leaving Sparrow on an island. The story goes that Bootstrap didn't like what they did to Sparrow and voice his opinion about it, so Barbossa "tied a cannon balll to Bootstrap's bootstraps" and shot him over the side to drown, but I guess he made it to shore and lived.
Wouldn't Bootstrap still had been alive for all those years on the bottom of ocean from being cursed? From the scene when Jack Sparrow stole the one medallion, it seems you become cursed (and unable to die) pretty fast.
Well, other people handled the medallions and didn't become cursed. Maybe someone got one from the chest for him.
he doesn't have the medallion, and you have to be a pirate, so that's why it didn't affect elizabeth.
EDIT:
also, it wouldn't matter because he wouldn't have any blood either since he's dead. and none of the cursed pirates have any blood.
He HAD the medallion. He sent it to his son when his son was very young to keep it out of the hands of the pirates because he said they deserved to be cursed and didn't want them to ever have the curse lifted. You don't have to be a pirate, you can be just anybody. The curse says anyone who takes a dubloon from the chest. The pirates have blood, and you see it in the movie. It's in the moonlight that they change. When they're not in moonlight, you see a pirate get stabbed (before the curse is lifted) and the sword has blood on it.
If you go to watch the movie, then WATCH THE DAMN MOVIE, PEOPLE!
Did you even watch the movie
They explain it in the Jail Cell as FFMCobalt says. Except they said he sent a coin to his son when he found out about the mutany. I don't think he made it to shore, he had sent it before he died. They say somewhere that he sent it before his death, so I don't think he lived after they threw him overboard tied to a cannon.
I think you either 1. Had to be a pirate to become cursed or 2. had to be part of the group that was stealing the coins.
They never really specified.
Actually I think you are wrong here. The reason being during the last fight scene there were TWO coins missing, if you noticed when he dropped them into the chest, there are two coins. 1 being from the Will Turner, the other from Jack (which he threw to Will and will dropped them both, after Jack shot him). Jack took the coin because he knew it would make him undead. But if you notice ALL Throught the fight scene Jack turns from a human to undead from the holes in the cave showing light. But the whole time Will Turner is also fighting with one of the medalions around his neck. He did NOT turn into an undead when he was in the light, but the two guys he was fighting did indeed. I dont know if that was a plot hole, or if because he was the son of bootstrap he didnt turn? or some unknown reason. He also might not have been a true Pirate, so he didnt turn?
Lots of questions
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Did you even watch the movie
They explain it in the Jail Cell as FFMCobalt says. Except they said he sent a coin to his son when he found out about the mutany. I don't think he made it to shore, he had sent it before he died. They say somewhere that he sent it before his death, so I don't think he lived after they threw him overboard tied to a cannon.
I think you either 1. Had to be a pirate to become cursed or 2. had to be part of the group that was stealing the coins.
They never really specified.
Well, about him living, I could have sworn that Turner Jr. talked about how he remembered his dad. Oh well.
Oh, and about the curse. The curse says that anyone who takes Cortez's gold from the chest would become cursed. Not any pirate. Anyone. Period.
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Actually I think you are wrong here. The reason being during the last fight scene there were TWO coins missing, if you noticed when he dropped them into the chest, there are two coins. 1 being from the Will Turner, the other from Jack (which he threw to Will and will dropped them both, after Jack shot him). Jack took the coin because he knew it would make him undead. But if you notice ALL Throught the fight scene Jack turns from a human to undead from the holes in the cave showing light. But the whole time Will Turner is also fighting with one of the medalions around his neck. He did NOT turn into an undead when he was in the light, but the two guys he was fighting did indeed. I dont know if that was a plot hole, or if because he was the son of bootstrap he didnt turn? or some unknown reason. He also might not have been a true Pirate, so he didnt turn?
Lots of questions
Sparrow kept two coins. Technically, Turner Jr. never took a coin from the chest, so he wouldn't have been cursed. Somewhere in the fight, the two groups of guys fighting were split up chasing after eachother several times. It is quite obvious that Turner and Sparrow were winging the plan, but they had some sort of structure to the plan. They could have easily passed by eachother and passed coins from one to another. Then, when the whole thing played out, surprise! Turner is there to drop them in with blood on them right at the right moment to kill Barbossa.
You guys gotta have a little imagination.
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Did you even watch the movie
They explain it in the Jail Cell as FFMCobalt says. Except they said he sent a coin to his son when he found out about the mutany. I don't think he made it to shore, he had sent it before he died. They say somewhere that he sent it before his death, so I don't think he lived after they threw him overboard tied to a cannon.
I think you either 1. Had to be a pirate to become cursed or 2. had to be part of the group that was stealing the coins.
They never really specified.
Well, about him living, I could have sworn that Turner Jr. talked about how he remembered his dad. Oh well.
Oh, and about the curse. The curse says that anyone who takes Cortez's gold from the chest would become cursed. Not any pirate. Anyone. Period.
He did indeed know his dad before he died. He says that he was a merchant seaman. He just didn't know he was a pirate. He probably left for weeks at a time and came home. When they are on the boat alone they talk about his dad, he knew him but he died when he was young and didnt know the truth about his dad.
I dont remember they specifically saying anyone (not that they didn't, i just dont remember) but that does mean the movie has a plot hole during the fight scenes when Will doesn't change, but everyone else in the room does.
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Actually I think you are wrong here. The reason being during the last fight scene there were TWO coins missing, if you noticed when he dropped them into the chest, there are two coins. 1 being from the Will Turner, the other from Jack (which he threw to Will and will dropped them both, after Jack shot him). Jack took the coin because he knew it would make him undead. But if you notice ALL Throught the fight scene Jack turns from a human to undead from the holes in the cave showing light. But the whole time Will Turner is also fighting with one of the medalions around his neck. He did NOT turn into an undead when he was in the light, but the two guys he was fighting did indeed. I dont know if that was a plot hole, or if because he was the son of bootstrap he didnt turn? or some unknown reason. He also might not have been a true Pirate, so he didnt turn?
Lots of questions
Sparrow kept two coins. Technically, Turner Jr. never took a coin from the chest, so he wouldn't have been cursed. Somewhere in the fight, the two groups of guys fighting were split up chasing after eachother several times. It is quite obvious that Turner and Sparrow were winging the plan, but they had some sort of structure to the plan. They could have easily passed by eachother and passed coins from one to another. Then, when the whole thing played out, surprise! Turner is there to drop them in with blood on them right at the right moment to kill Barbossa.
You guys gotta have a little imagination.
I dunno, i think Turner had the coin the whole time on the neckless and Jack throws the 2nd coin. Remember they were getting ready to kill Will and jack picked up like 4-5 coins and dropped all but one, but we never see the other coin leave Wills neck. Who knows
I think you actually have to take it from the chest itself to be cursed.
That would explain why it worked for Jack but not the others.
That would explain why it worked for Jack but not the others.
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Actually I think you are wrong here. The reason being during the last fight scene there were TWO coins missing, if you noticed when he dropped them into the chest, there are two coins. 1 being from the Will Turner, the other from Jack (which he threw to Will and will dropped them both, after Jack shot him). Jack took the coin because he knew it would make him undead. But if you notice ALL Throught the fight scene Jack turns from a human to undead from the holes in the cave showing light. But the whole time Will Turner is also fighting with one of the medalions around his neck. He did NOT turn into an undead when he was in the light, but the two guys he was fighting did indeed. I dont know if that was a plot hole, or if because he was the son of bootstrap he didnt turn? or some unknown reason. He also might not have been a true Pirate, so he didnt turn?
Lots of questions
Sparrow kept two coins. Technically, Turner Jr. never took a coin from the chest, so he wouldn't have been cursed. Somewhere in the fight, the two groups of guys fighting were split up chasing after eachother several times. It is quite obvious that Turner and Sparrow were winging the plan, but they had some sort of structure to the plan. They could have easily passed by eachother and passed coins from one to another. Then, when the whole thing played out, surprise! Turner is there to drop them in with blood on them right at the right moment to kill Barbossa.
You guys gotta have a little imagination.
I dunno, i think Turner had the coin the whole time on the neckless and Jack throws the 2nd coin. Remember they were getting ready to kill Will and jack picked up like 4-5 coins and dropped all but one, but we never see the other coin leave Wills neck. Who knows
Actually, in thinking about it, you do clearly see only one coin in Sparrow's hand from the rest that he dropped... But what you don't see is Sparrow throwing the coin at the end. Turner dropped two coins. When they fall, they both fall straight down as opposed to one down and another come sliding across the others from being tossed at a different angle. And, for a movie that has such detail, I don't think the director would have been stupid enough to miss this mistake.
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Did you even watch the movie
They explain it in the Jail Cell as FFMCobalt says. Except they said he sent a coin to his son when he found out about the mutany. I don't think he made it to shore, he had sent it before he died. They say somewhere that he sent it before his death, so I don't think he lived after they threw him overboard tied to a cannon.
I think you either 1. Had to be a pirate to become cursed or 2. had to be part of the group that was stealing the coins.
They never really specified.
Well, about him living, I could have sworn that Turner Jr. talked about how he remembered his dad. Oh well.
Oh, and about the curse. The curse says that anyone who takes Cortez's gold from the chest would become cursed. Not any pirate. Anyone. Period.
He did indeed know his dad before he died. He says that he was a merchant seaman. He just didn't know he was a pirate. He probably left for weeks at a time and came home. When they are on the boat alone they talk about his dad, he knew him but he died when he was young and didnt know the truth about his dad.
I dont remember they specifically saying anyone (not that they didn't, i just dont remember) but that does mean the movie has a plot hole during the fight scenes when Will doesn't change, but everyone else in the room does.
um... so if only pirates can become cursed, then the movie has a plot hole? Or if anyone can become cursed that means that the movie has a plot hole?
Anyone who TAKES a coin from the chest is cursed. Will and elizebeth never took the coins from the chest. They were given/found them.
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Actually I think you are wrong here. The reason being during the last fight scene there were TWO coins missing, if you noticed when he dropped them into the chest, there are two coins. 1 being from the Will Turner, the other from Jack (which he threw to Will and will dropped them both, after Jack shot him). Jack took the coin because he knew it would make him undead. But if you notice ALL Throught the fight scene Jack turns from a human to undead from the holes in the cave showing light. But the whole time Will Turner is also fighting with one of the medalions around his neck. He did NOT turn into an undead when he was in the light, but the two guys he was fighting did indeed. I dont know if that was a plot hole, or if because he was the son of bootstrap he didnt turn? or some unknown reason. He also might not have been a true Pirate, so he didnt turn?
Lots of questions
Sparrow kept two coins. Technically, Turner Jr. never took a coin from the chest, so he wouldn't have been cursed. Somewhere in the fight, the two groups of guys fighting were split up chasing after eachother several times. It is quite obvious that Turner and Sparrow were winging the plan, but they had some sort of structure to the plan. They could have easily passed by eachother and passed coins from one to another. Then, when the whole thing played out, surprise! Turner is there to drop them in with blood on them right at the right moment to kill Barbossa.
You guys gotta have a little imagination.
I dunno, i think Turner had the coin the whole time on the neckless and Jack throws the 2nd coin. Remember they were getting ready to kill Will and jack picked up like 4-5 coins and dropped all but one, but we never see the other coin leave Wills neck. Who knows
Actually, in thinking about it, you do clearly see only one coin in Sparrow's hand from the rest that he dropped... But what you don't see is Sparrow throwing the coin at the end. Turner dropped two coins. When they fall, they both fall straight down as opposed to one down and another come sliding across the others from being tossed at a different angle. And, for a movie that has such detail, I don't think the director would have been stupid enough to miss this mistake.
Actually, I'm pretty sure that Sparrow throws the coin to Will Turner right before he stabs Barbossa. I seem to remember that Jack flicks his wrist and Will is shown catching the coin that Jack took and stained with Jack's blood. Thats why when they dropped it into the chest they come down at the same angle because it is Will who is standing above the chest dropping both rather than one being thrown and Will dropping his coin.
i know this much is certain:
-you dont only have to be a pirate, you just have to take an aztec gold piece from the chest
-turner jr isnt cursed because he didnt take it from the chest, bootstrap bill gave him a piece
-sparrow becomes cursed when he takes the 4-5 pieces, but drops all but one piece back into the chest
-near the end, turner jr drops his own piece into the chest, and sparrow throws turner the piece he took
-turner jr takes that piece, which now has his blood on it, into the chest, thereby lifting the curse
what i DONT get, is why turner jr's blood was needed to lift the curse.
-you dont only have to be a pirate, you just have to take an aztec gold piece from the chest
-turner jr isnt cursed because he didnt take it from the chest, bootstrap bill gave him a piece
-sparrow becomes cursed when he takes the 4-5 pieces, but drops all but one piece back into the chest
-near the end, turner jr drops his own piece into the chest, and sparrow throws turner the piece he took
-turner jr takes that piece, which now has his blood on it, into the chest, thereby lifting the curse
what i DONT get, is why turner jr's blood was needed to lift the curse.
it is all pretty simple really, i dont know why some of you can't understand it.
1) You need to take the medallion OUT OF THE CHEST ITSELF. Passing it along does not give the curse to others.
2) Before the pirates realized they needed EVERYONE's blood who grabbed a medallion, they threw Bootstrap overboard. The pirates all repayed their debts with their blood but the curse was not lifted because Bootstrap's medallion was still missing and also his blood payment. So basically, they threw him overboard, then later found out they needed his blood cuz he also took a gold piece from the chest.
3) Since William Turner is Bootstrap's son, he is his blood, and therefore able to repay the blood debt.
4) Later, Jack Sparrow grabs medallion out of the chest and fights Barbossa. When he shoots Barbossa, he cuts himself and throws the medallion to Turner who is standing above the chest and all the blood debts are payed and all the medallions are back in. So the curse is lifted.
1) You need to take the medallion OUT OF THE CHEST ITSELF. Passing it along does not give the curse to others.
2) Before the pirates realized they needed EVERYONE's blood who grabbed a medallion, they threw Bootstrap overboard. The pirates all repayed their debts with their blood but the curse was not lifted because Bootstrap's medallion was still missing and also his blood payment. So basically, they threw him overboard, then later found out they needed his blood cuz he also took a gold piece from the chest.
3) Since William Turner is Bootstrap's son, he is his blood, and therefore able to repay the blood debt.
4) Later, Jack Sparrow grabs medallion out of the chest and fights Barbossa. When he shoots Barbossa, he cuts himself and throws the medallion to Turner who is standing above the chest and all the blood debts are payed and all the medallions are back in. So the curse is lifted.
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