splain 2 ME! Why WinME when you've W2k?

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WoundedWallet

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As it is, the only time I boot W98 is to use my old AIW(godamn ATi!) to capture video from tapes.

W2k serves me fine otherwise. From games to USB to scanning.

So why would I or anyone happy with W2k bother about WinME?

Is it because it supports older hardware better? Is it because it supports older software better?
Is it because it is new and unavailable thus sexy?

So far I've heard that it is less stable than W2k, does not support multiple CPUs, has a bone with firewalls, and that the only advantage over W98 is some supposed speed gain.

I say supposed because when an OS is first installed it usually shows a lot of speed. The sluggishness shows up after a few dozen applications are installed and unistalled. So to really say one OS is faster than another one would have to compare two clean installs, which I haven't heard anybody doing it so far.

So, what's the argument in favor of ME? ;)

WW

PS.
Is it just ME, or is anybody else feeling that Bill went over the egocentric edge by naming it Windows' ME. :)
 
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IsOs

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I don't know anything about Windows ME, but I have AIW pro with Windows 2000. I'm using Ulead Video Studio to capture in Windows 2000. Just for your info.
 
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piku

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Yeah. Its like saying why use 98SE when there is Win2k. Its the next general consumer OS, so general consumers will use it. Not the techies :p
 
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WoundedWallet

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Yes I understand the deal with home users, but wouldn't you say that people that post on this and other boards frequently should not be considered "home users"? So why all the commotion?

I understand having Win98 just because it was there before W2k and NT4 was not as friendly as W2k for games and devices. But to upgrade a dying OS can only be seen as dressing up a corpse for the funeral.

WW

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IsOs, are you talking about the older AIW-pro with 4-8 MB?

If so what drivers are you using? Because for me Video Studio complains that something else(TV?) is already using the capture card and it can't be accessed. I thought it gave me this error because the drivers are not all there yet.
 
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utopia

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<< I understand having Win98 just because it was there before W2k and NT4 >>



-NT4 was released on 1996, W98 came in 1998 ;)
 
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GPR

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windows 2k is not the operating system for gamers. WinMe is. simple as that.
 
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Mixxen

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All I know is, winME is holding back full support for win2k games. Wouldn't it be sweet if all games/hardware/software were forced to support win2k (if no successor to the win9x code followed win95 SP3 aka win98SE). Anyway, almost all the games I play run fine with win2k.
 
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WoundedWallet

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Utopia...
<<NT4 was released on 1996, W98 came in 1998 >>
...sorry if I wasn't too clear. The &quot;and&quot; was meant to connect two sentences and not two words. Maybe I should've put a comma instead. My grammer sucks :)

GPR, you might have answered it. I'm not a real gamer, and the few games I play run fine on W2k just like Mixxen said. But I just took a good look at NTcompatible and saw a lotta games that wouldn't work with NT4 and/or W2k.

I know there is a large number of gamers here and elsewhere, so it makes sense that a lotta people are excited about WinME.

If that is really the only reason then I'm glad to know that, just like SE, ME will also be skipped by ...
 
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Marine

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The games I play work just fine with W2K: Falcon 4.0, NFS Porsche Unlimited (with Force feedback enabled for my Wingman Formula Force), inter alia, among some of the more demanding games currently offered.
GPR, are you certain that Win2K is not for gamers? I suspect many complaints are direct results of driver and hardware incompatibility rather than the fault of the OS.
 
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OverclockingAddict

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Yes, but what good is an OS without hardware support? Plus, some people like me dual boot the two. I wanna browse the web or work, I start up Win2K. I wanna frag, WinME gets started.
 
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brewty

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why? simply because winnt/2k is designed for businesses and not for home users. that's where win9x/me comes in...
of course that doesn't stop you from using nt/2k at home. that's just how things are designed on microsloth's end.
 
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Bozo

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I had ME and Win2k both installed clean as a dual boot setup. ME did seem faster, but not by much.
I tanked ME, am using Win2k for Q3A,QII,Nascar3, plus everthing else.
MEs too flaky.
Bozo
 
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You know what annoys me...I use Win2K &amp; really like it, BUT - outside of business applications, no software claims to actually work with Win2K. Most that I have tried work just fine (even though). When shopping for software, most boxes say W95/W98 compatible - occasionally NT4.

Most hardware is the same way. No one actually wants to claim full campatibility with Win2K. This pisses me off. What am I supposed to do? Wait 2 years until all the 'compatibility issues' are worked out and software/hardware companies can be 95% sure their product will work (just in time for Whistler, et.al.). Right now, buying software &amp; hardware is a roll of the dice.

I dual boot to WinME just in case something I buy doesn't work, such as:

Polariod Photo Max Printer - $80
Initio 9090U SCSI card (half the time) - $40
Pinnacle Studio PCTV capture card - $49
Bithedz Retro AS1 Synthesizer ~ $200
Dreamstation Synthesizer/Sequencer ~ $100
Sound Blaster (sound font via MIDI) - $?
All my children's software - $150
NFS (High Stakes) - I still like this game - $40
+ many more

 
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WoundedWAllet: i have an AIW too, and i used to boot to win98 to capture tapes too (since i have 2 video card a V3 and AIW) but now i'm perfectly happy with win2k in capturing with the AIW. Unlike win98, it doesn't need the PCI video card (AIW) to be initialized first in the bios (just change the dynamic setting to primary) and it works really better (less frames dropped). The only backside is that under win2k i can't go 640*480. But now, that i have switched to win ME from win98, my AIW is in conflict with my V3!!!!! Go figure :)...Anyway, i almost never boot to win ME anymore...i just keep it in case i need to take one of my old games from the closet.
To answer your question maybe it's because win2k is much more expensive than win ME...I work for a computer store and each time a consumer that wants win2k knows about the price, he immediately go abck to asking for win98...
 
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WoundedWallet

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Dark, sometimes the obvious scapes us. Seen from your perspective I guess I could reverse the title ;)

It seems true that a pure-gamer or home-user wouldn't need to spend the extra couple hundred bucks to get their needs satisfied.

So it is a matter of cash X need. Bill hasn't lost his touch :)

WW

PS. So you too can get the AIW to work huh? I haven't had the chance to clear my drivers and reinstall them, but I'll be doing that soon. BTW, I also have a V3+AIW setup, brudda.
 
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GreenLantern

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WW,
fyi, your grammar is right, you can't start a statement with 'was' anyway.



&quot;postin' 'ME TOO!' like some brain dead AOL'er&quot;
 
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Sir Fredrick

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This seems odd but I've found better hardware support in Win2k than in 95 osr2.
Just set up a brand new athlon system. In win2k, everthing works. In 95, the modem and the Live! soundcard will not work.
 
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Erasmus-X

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Boy, that's a quick observation ;) Consider when Win95 was made....neither your Live! nor your modem even existed. That's what downloadable drivers are for.

j/k....giving you a hard time, hehehe :)

 
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Sir Fredrick

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I'm using the latest drivers for both. :p Doesn't even detect my network card. I'm sure I could get it to work if I messed around with it, but I'm not going to bother since 2000 works just fine. :)
 
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Jdog

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M I found this info at http://www.ntcompatible.com


Pinnacle Studio PCTV Pro (Miro)
Yes
W2000
06/00

Here is what you need:
ftp://ftp.pinnaclesys.de/driver/pc/pctv/pctv40en.exe (v. 4.0, 13 MB)
ftp://ftp.pinnaclesys.de/driver/pc/pctv/pctv401en.exe (update to v. 4.01, 3MB)
ftp://ftp.pinnaclesys.de/driver/pc/beta/pctv402s.exe (update to v. 4.02beta, 448 KB)
1. Install the drivers version 4.0. If you have the pro version of the card (with radio), select custom install to select the radio program.
2. Once finished the installation, run PCTV Vision and let the program tunethe channels (this is important)
3. Upgrade to version 4.01
4. Update to version 4.02
The changes from 4.0 to 4.02 are: many bug fixes, hibernation now possible, overlay support for a wider range of graphic cards, video
grabbing support added, composite and s-video inputs now usable, other improvements.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
It is a great resource for compatibility issues in NT/2k stuff.
I suggest all those with problems go there and see if there are fixes or workarounds!!
 
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