Spinoff Thread RE: Welfare

[classy]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: classy
But say its in the best interest of our country to give couple hundred billion or so away in "tax breaks" to companies who make billion dollar profits. Are you just ignorant or stupid?

Classy, they make the same profits whether you tax them as a company, or not. The ONLY difference is, when taxed, they pass that cost on to the consumer. Who is hurt most by a hidden flat consumption tax on everything from food, to clothes? The poor.

Business is what MAKES our country great. Without it, we'd be nothing more than a third world country living in squalor. Anything done to foster business and trade is beneficial to our country and increases quality of life for everyone. Increased incomes mean increased revenues. Hindering business has exactly the opposite effect.

Business owners and investors have their income taxed already. So it's not like no one is paying taxes on the money made. And, again, they (the companies and business owners) do not pay the business taxes, the consumer does.

I am neither stupid, nor ignorant. Quite the contrary. I can see the big picture and not fall for the class envy mentality that you seem to fall for.

Can I ask you one question, which one of these companies is charging less for their product since the big tax cuts? I damn sure have not seen a bleeping thing that has not went up in price. Your rationale is dumb. Why? What your really saying is the inmates run the asylum, so we're at their mercy, so lets be nice so they'll only charge us $.99 cent instead of $1.00. You would make a great Senator, unfortunately. :roll:

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: classy
But say its in the best interest of our country to give couple hundred billion or so away in "tax breaks" to companies who make billion dollar profits. Are you just ignorant or stupid?

Classy, they make the same profits whether you tax them as a company, or not. The ONLY difference is, when taxed, they pass that cost on to the consumer. Who is hurt most by a hidden flat consumption tax on everything from food, to clothes? The poor.

Business is what MAKES our country great. Without it, we'd be nothing more than a third world country living in squalor. Anything done to foster business and trade is beneficial to our country and increases quality of life for everyone. Increased incomes mean increased revenues. Hindering business has exactly the opposite effect.

Business owners and investors have their income taxed already. So it's not like no one is paying taxes on the money made. And, again, they (the companies and business owners) do not pay the business taxes, the consumer does.

I am neither stupid, nor ignorant. Quite the contrary. I can see the big picture and not fall for the class envy mentality that you seem to fall for.

Another problem you have is Clinton put the hammer down and our country thrived. So obviously your incorrect in your thinking. Thats how he cleaned up the Reagan and first Bush mess. Who will clean up this Bush mess?

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: kranky
Part of the problem is that there's no longer a culture which looks down on people who leech off the public. Years ago there was great shame in being seen as able to work but not willing.

Back then people understood that the handouts those people got were their hard-earned dollars that they paid in taxes. Today people seem to think "government money" is free. They think it's OK to squeeze everything you can get out of the system. So instead of people being ashamed for being a leech, their friends congratulate them for beating the system and people help each other figure out how to get more.

People have no shame anymore. Hell, some are actually proud of being leeches.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: classy
But say its in the best interest of our country to give couple hundred billion or so away in "tax breaks" to companies who make billion dollar profits. Are you just ignorant or stupid?

Classy, they make the same profits whether you tax them as a company, or not. The ONLY difference is, when taxed, they pass that cost on to the consumer. Who is hurt most by a hidden flat consumption tax on everything from food, to clothes? The poor.

Business is what MAKES our country great. Without it, we'd be nothing more than a third world country living in squalor. Anything done to foster business and trade is beneficial to our country and increases quality of life for everyone. Increased incomes mean increased revenues. Hindering business has exactly the opposite effect.

Business owners and investors have their income taxed already. So it's not like no one is paying taxes on the money made. And, again, they (the companies and business owners) do not pay the business taxes, the consumer does.

I am neither stupid, nor ignorant. Quite the contrary. I can see the big picture and not fall for the class envy mentality that you seem to fall for.

Another problem you have is Clinton put the hammer down and our country thrived. So obviously your incorrect in your thinking. Thats how he cleaned up the Reagan and first Bush mess. Who will clean up this Bush mess?

Your ignorance shines through again. A sitting president inherits the benefits of PAST legislation. Tax changes don't have an effect on the economy for at LEAST two years. And even then, the effect is slow. Clinton inherited the Reagan legacy and it took Clinton nearly 8 years to destroy the incredible growth fostered by Reagan's polices.

In case you forgot, the recent recession started a full year before Bush took office.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: classy
But say its in the best interest of our country to give couple hundred billion or so away in "tax breaks" to companies who make billion dollar profits. Are you just ignorant or stupid?

Classy, they make the same profits whether you tax them as a company, or not. The ONLY difference is, when taxed, they pass that cost on to the consumer. Who is hurt most by a hidden flat consumption tax on everything from food, to clothes? The poor.

Business is what MAKES our country great. Without it, we'd be nothing more than a third world country living in squalor. Anything done to foster business and trade is beneficial to our country and increases quality of life for everyone. Increased incomes mean increased revenues. Hindering business has exactly the opposite effect.

Business owners and investors have their income taxed already. So it's not like no one is paying taxes on the money made. And, again, they (the companies and business owners) do not pay the business taxes, the consumer does.

I am neither stupid, nor ignorant. Quite the contrary. I can see the big picture and not fall for the class envy mentality that you seem to fall for.

Another problem you have is Clinton put the hammer down and our country thrived. So obviously your incorrect in your thinking. Thats how he cleaned up the Reagan and first Bush mess. Who will clean up this Bush mess?

Your ignorance shines through again. A sitting president inherits the benefits of PAST legislation. Tax changes don't have an effect on the economy for at LEAST two years. And even then, the effect is slow. Clinton inherited the Reagan legacy and it took Clinton nearly 8 years to destroy the incredible growth fostered by Reagan's polices.

In case you forgot, the recent recession started a full year before Bush took office.

I seem to recall an article, source long forgotten by now, indicating that the economic growth of our country during the Clinton boom was slower than it was during the "recession" under the first Bush. Will see if I can dig up the numbers for that one, it's been quite some time.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: classy
But say its in the best interest of our country to give couple hundred billion or so away in "tax breaks" to companies who make billion dollar profits. Are you just ignorant or stupid?

Classy, they make the same profits whether you tax them as a company, or not. The ONLY difference is, when taxed, they pass that cost on to the consumer. Who is hurt most by a hidden flat consumption tax on everything from food, to clothes? The poor.

Business is what MAKES our country great. Without it, we'd be nothing more than a third world country living in squalor. Anything done to foster business and trade is beneficial to our country and increases quality of life for everyone. Increased incomes mean increased revenues. Hindering business has exactly the opposite effect.

Business owners and investors have their income taxed already. So it's not like no one is paying taxes on the money made. And, again, they (the companies and business owners) do not pay the business taxes, the consumer does.

I am neither stupid, nor ignorant. Quite the contrary. I can see the big picture and not fall for the class envy mentality that you seem to fall for.

Another problem you have is Clinton put the hammer down and our country thrived. So obviously your incorrect in your thinking. Thats how he cleaned up the Reagan and first Bush mess. Who will clean up this Bush mess?

Your ignorance shines through again. A sitting president inherits the benefits of PAST legislation. Tax changes don't have an effect on the economy for at LEAST two years. And even then, the effect is slow. Clinton inherited the Reagan legacy and it took Clinton nearly 8 years to destroy the incredible growth fostered by Reagan's polices.

In case you forgot, the recent recession started a full year before Bush took office.

Incredible growth? hahahahahahahahahah
Interest rates under those clowns just to buy a house was like 18%, unemployment stayed around 7% and gas at one point was $3. You're right after Clinton took office he made people pay, everyone paid their part. At the end of his first term the country started rolling and continued through his second term. And get this the one thing right wingers never say. They bring up the taxes, but after Clinton paid the bills, they kept the money. They didn't waste it, they kept it to the tune of trillions of dollars of surplus. It took GWB less than 2 years to throw the country back into the same doldrums Clinton got us out of and wasted the surplus. I am not even going to debate this. You would have to be a damn fool to say Reagan and Bush sr was responsible for this country's turn around. The only thing they were responsible for was Iran Contra. They should have all went to prison, but Bush senior pardoned everyone, even folks before they could be indicted. One more thing they are also responsible for is Bin Laden and Saddamn. These were the same idiots who cut back alley deals with these two monsters because they were lesser monsters than others. How did that turn out? Oh 3000 plus dead and part of New York wiped off the map. Thanks for the conversation, I think we are done here until next time. Same Bat time and same Bat channel.
You can just call me Batman

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: classy
But say its in the best interest of our country to give couple hundred billion or so away in "tax breaks" to companies who make billion dollar profits. Are you just ignorant or stupid?

Classy, they make the same profits whether you tax them as a company, or not. The ONLY difference is, when taxed, they pass that cost on to the consumer. Who is hurt most by a hidden flat consumption tax on everything from food, to clothes? The poor.

Business is what MAKES our country great. Without it, we'd be nothing more than a third world country living in squalor. Anything done to foster business and trade is beneficial to our country and increases quality of life for everyone. Increased incomes mean increased revenues. Hindering business has exactly the opposite effect.

Business owners and investors have their income taxed already. So it's not like no one is paying taxes on the money made. And, again, they (the companies and business owners) do not pay the business taxes, the consumer does.

I am neither stupid, nor ignorant. Quite the contrary. I can see the big picture and not fall for the class envy mentality that you seem to fall for.

Another problem you have is Clinton put the hammer down and our country thrived. So obviously your incorrect in your thinking. Thats how he cleaned up the Reagan and first Bush mess. Who will clean up this Bush mess?

Your ignorance shines through again. A sitting president inherits the benefits of PAST legislation. Tax changes don't have an effect on the economy for at LEAST two years. And even then, the effect is slow. Clinton inherited the Reagan legacy and it took Clinton nearly 8 years to destroy the incredible growth fostered by Reagan's polices.

In case you forgot, the recent recession started a full year before Bush took office.

Incredible growth? hahahahahahahahahah
Interest rates under those clowns just to buy a house was like 18%, unemployment stayed around 7% and gas at one point was $3. You're right after Clinton took office he made people pay, everyone paid their part. At the end of his first term the country started rolling and continued through his second term. And get this the one thing right wingers never say. They bring up the taxes, but after Clinton paid the bills, they kept the money. They didn't waste it, they kept it to the tune of trillions of dollars of surplus. It took GWB less than 2 years to throw the country back into the same doldrums Clinton got us out of and wasted the surplus. I am not even going to debate this. You would have to be a damn fool to say Reagan and Bush sr was responsible for this country's turn around. The only thing they were responsible for was Iran Contra. They should have all went to prison, but Bush senior pardoned everyone, even folks before they could be indicted. One more thing they are also responsible for is Bin Laden and Saddamn. These were the same idiots who cut back alley deals with these two monsters because they were lesser monsters than others. How did that turn out? Oh 3000 plus dead and part of New York wiped off the map. Thanks for the conversation, I think we are done here until next time. Same Bat time and same Bat channel.
You can just call me Batman

Um, you failed economics, didn't you?

Again, economic policy takes YEARS to have it's effect. Clinton's economic policy started showing it's effect a full year before he left office when the most recent recession started.

18% interest? WTF? That was under CARTER. In fact, interest rates ROSE steadily under Clinton. They FELL under Reagan.

When Reagan took office in 1981, they were at an average of 16.63% When Clinton took office, they were at 8.39%

http://www.mortgagebankers.org/marketdata/data/02/fm30yr_rates.htm

Gas was NEVER $3 a gallon. Gas prices hit historic highs under CARTER, not Reagan. Under Reagan, gas prices steadily fell.

Is your ass sore after pulling all of this out of it?

As for the rest of your rant, WTF? Tangents much?

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: classy
folks flap about welfare, but in reality it makes up about 3% of the govenment budget.

Link?

Since you, classy, have failed to back up this claim with any proof, I can only assume you pulled this number out of thin air. Why do you persist in arguing about topics that where you seem to be ignorant of actual facts?

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Ryan
An interesting thought - most people are all on some kind of government sustinance - whether it be tax breaks, grants, or welfare......it's all sustinance....hmmmmmmm

Since when is the government jacking you for less of your money = government sustinance? Now, granted, you could run the numbers and compare what your local, state, and federal government spends per capita and compare that to your total tax burden for the year and... have a totally useless number, as it doesnt account for how much of that was actually spent on you, as some people use government services to a greater or lesser extent.

However, your above quoted statement seems to have an assumption that the government provides for all, and we're just lucky that it benelovently allows us to exist, which is horsecrap. The government does not produce diddly sh!t, it just takes money from person A and gives it to person B.