lol, the ironyOriginally posted by: MartyTheManiak
Originally posted by: BaDaBooM
It's still too early to tell.
I agree. We must give the inspectors more time!
Originally posted by: Czar
lol, the ironyOriginally posted by: MartyTheManiak
Originally posted by: BaDaBooM
It's still too early to tell.
I agree. We must give the inspectors more time!
Maybe the WMD wasn't meant to be found, so we may have reason to stay in Iraq as long as we want . You know, we don't want to leave before we find them or they might suddenly appear and fall into hands of another uncooperative regime
I don't think the Bush admin so much as lied as bent the truth near to breaking. I have no doubt in my mind that eventually Saddam's secret WMD development program will come to light. For me, given the past 12 year history, I had some reservations about going to war to oust Saddam but not too much, and if I could have known in advance it would turn out like it did, I wouldn't have had any reservations at all.
Eventually, if Saddam were left in power, France and Russia would have prevailed in lifting UN sanctions and then in a few years Saddam would have been right where he left off prior to the Gulf War. And it would be pretty much guaranteed that one of his first objectives would be to get a nuclear weapons program going. All in all, I'm not upset about his demise and my only contention is that the Bush admin handled the whole thing badly.
Eventually, if Saddam were left in power, France and Russia would have prevailed in lifting UN sanctions and then in a few years Saddam would have been right where he left off prior to the Gulf War. And it would be pretty much guaranteed that one of his first objectives would be to get a nuclear weapons program going. All in all, I'm not upset about his demise and my only contention is that the Bush admin handled the whole thing badly
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Fro crap sakes, jj, when did you become Nostradamus. The world should unite to destroy the US to prevent the Catastrophy of 2030 when the American Bug gets loose.
In you nave to contory your thinking to that degree it ought to be as obvious to you as it is to me you've created a huge rationalization for yourself. I heard from my aunt's brother's cousin that Iraq will become a danger. We'd better kill them now. Geez
You have no doubt in your mind. Where have I heard that before? How many millions and millions has that killed?
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Fro crap sakes, jj, when did you become Nostradamus. The world should unite to destroy the US to prevent the Catastrophy of 2030 when the American Bug gets loose.
In you nave to contory your thinking to that degree it ought to be as obvious to you as it is to me you've created a huge rationalization for yourself. I heard from my aunt's brother's cousin that Iraq will become a danger. We'd better kill them now. Geez
You have no doubt in your mind. Where have I heard that before? How many millions and millions has that killed?
Moonie, honestly I don't give a rat's ass what you think about how I rationalize or justify my decisions. I felt Saddam's ass should have been kicked out in '91 and just about any reason to do it since then is good enough for me. As for France and Russia, they already tried to get sanctions lifted so I don't need to be a Nostrodamus about that.
Dude you must be joking?! Condy Rice is hot . . . she needs an orthodontist and some protein powder . . . but otherwise I would definitely invite her over for dinner . . . assuming the wife is out of town.
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Dude you must be joking?! Condy Rice is hot . . . she needs an orthodontist and some protein powder . . . but otherwise I would definitely invite her over for dinner . . . assuming the wife is out of town.
Condy is as hot as carrot stick is to the ladies (from CALL-ATT). If I was given a choice of doing it with her or being sent to an isolated/desolated island, I'd choose the island, at least my hands are prettier than her
Originally posted by: Insane3D
No...it's all about the freedom baby! Forget about those WMD's...it was really the freedom of the Iraqi people we were going to war for.
I will elaborate on this topic
here.
as far as the article itself..
She has no doubt that the US-led coalition, assisted by experts from Britain and Australia, will find Iraq's WMD programs. But for the first time, Dr Rice is saying publicly that it is less likely many actual weapons will be found. Rather, she described the programs as being hidden in so-called "dual use" infrastructure. In other words, chemicals and biological agents could be in plants, factories and laboratories capable of being used for legal and prohibited purposes.
Surrendered Iraqi scientists have said the same thing, disagree, aruge with them.
Moon is just out bashing bush as usual, that article just tells me they are getting better information form those on the inside and aware of current protocol. Maybe Moon can tell me where these went...
"UNSCOM supervised the destruction of more than 40,000 chemical munitions, nearly 500,000 liters of chemical agents, 1.8 million liters of chemical precursors, and seven different types of delivery systems, including ballistic missile warheads.
More than 10 years after the Gulf war, gaps in Iraqi accounting and current production capabilities strongly suggest that Iraq maintains a stockpile of chemical agents, probably VX,[3] sarin, cyclosarin,[4] and mustard.
Iraq probably has concealed precursors, production equipment, documentation, and other items necessary for continuing its CW effort. Baghdad never supplied adequate evidence to support its claims that it destroyed all of its CW agents and munitions. Thousands of tons of chemical precursors and tens of thousands of unfilled munitions, including Scud-variant missile warheads, remain unaccounted for.
UNSCOM discovered a document at Iraqi Air Force headquarters in July 1998 showing that Iraq overstated by at least 6,000 the number of chemical bombs it told the UN it had used during the Iran-Iraq War?bombs that remain are unaccounted for.
seems some were ready to go, but generally post 1991 they went totally mobile, dual use, hidden programs, etc....
Besides which we have found plenty of modern french, german, russian, and chineese banned weaopons those "villified" inspectors missed. Hard to blame them when they had to rely solely on Saddam's compliance though.
Your position is ridiculous b/c Bush NEVER argued that Iraq was teeming with dual use technology. He said Iraq had stockpiled WMD which was an imminent threat to the US and its allies.
By your warped logic . . . vital chlorine for creating potable water supplies, media necessary to culture host cells for developing live, attenuated vaccines, and any CPU above 500Mhz are considered comparable to VX warheads, botulinum stocks, and gas centrifuges.
By your warped logic . . . vital chlorine for creating potable water supplies, media necessary to culture host cells for developing live, attenuated vaccines, and any CPU above 500Mhz are considered comparable to VX warheads, botulinum stocks, and gas centrifuges.
Spin your version of why we went to war however you choose. You cannot revise Bush's address to the UN last September or any subsequent statement which clearly (at least to the extent possible considering the source) states the primary reason for invasion is the stockpiles of material AND a nuclear development program on the cusp of success.
Face the facts . . . Bush commited a fraud . . . bait and switch. They decided on the goal (kick Saddam's arse) and hatched a plan sufficient to curry the semblance of support.
Face the facts . . . Bush commited a fraud . . . bait and switch. They decided on the goal (kick Saddam's arse) and hatched a plan sufficient to curry the semblance of support.
What amazes me is Alistar proclaiming me a great spin mister for posting a link and he dumps his pile of poop and proclaims it persuasive.
please forgive her, but alistar7 just doesn't like people bashing her daddy Mr. Bush jr. aka Bush-lite the US, Iraq and Afghanistan commander-in-chief
Jeez... come back in July. At that point, even I will be like wtf? But save your circle-jerk until then.
Bowfinger
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I think the point is that Bush & Co. made specific claims about huge quantities of chemical and biological weapons. They identified sites, showed photographs, etc. Bush claimed that Iraq was on the verge of having nuclear weapons, and offered proof - later determined to be fraudulent - that Iraq was buying uranium in Africa.
Yes, me may still find some NBC materials in Iraq. However, it becomes more obvious by the day that Iraq did NOT have the massive quantities reported by Bush. If it did, we would have found at least some of it by now, especially given that we allegedly knew exactly where some of it was (the photos, remember). We already know for a fact that Bush & Co. lied about some of its evidence against Iraq. It's not too hard to imagine that they lied about other evidence too.
CaptnKirk
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The simple fact that the Administration is not in a panic about not having found these weapons leads me to believe there were none in the first place. If there really had been those massive stores of material, the looting and unsecured facilities would have the Administration falling all over themselves in an effort to stop them from moving into the hands of those terrorists that we said they would be going to.
No panic to get them controlled or found = they weren't there in the first place - and they knew it, diversinary tactic for the agenda.
Mislead the people as forgivness comes easier than permission. The UN never gave authorization, especially after seeing all of the
forged and false presentations from our lying government representatives.
No panic to get them controlled or found = they weren't there in the first place - and they knew it, diversinary tactic for the agenda.
Mislead the people as forgivness comes easier than permission. The UN never gave authorization, especially after seeing all of the
forged and false presentations from our lying government representatives.
Bowfinger
Lifer
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Good point. If Bush & Co. believe Iraq had large quantities of NBC materials and if they were truly concerned these materials might make their way to terrorist groups, they should be alarmed that we haven't found anything yet. Funny that they don't seem too concerned.
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