Speeding ticket... Guilty or nolo contendere?

[m2kewl]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
I wouldn't lose my license or go to jail no matter what. Like I said, this is Texas. It's just a speeding ticket. You only lose your license for repeated offenses. I believe, 4 tickets in a 1 year period or something like that. Also for going twice the limit maybe.

err, it's Texas - aka death row state

 

[Ylen13]

Originally posted by: TallBill
Honesty, self respect. Im guessing thats why he never put that up as an option. He's guilty, he knows he's guilty, the state knows that he's guilty. Why try to fudge his way out?

why not, u would reather pay the fine instead of having some sleem chances of getting out of a ticket?

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: TallBill
Honesty, self respect. Im guessing thats why he never put that up as an option. He's guilty, he knows he's guilty, the state knows that he's guilty. Why try to fudge his way out?

1. Because traffic court is just a moneymaking venture. It has nothing to do with honesty or safety and everything to do with fund raising.

2. Because you are (technically) innocent until proven guilty. A ticket represents a formal accusation, but you aren't guilty of anything until it is proven in court. There's nothing dishonest about making them do their job.

Most of the time you don't even get far enough to plead one way or the other. You show up and before you are adjudicated, you talk to the prosecutor who offers you a lesser charge if you plead guilty straight away.

You still plead guilty - no damage to your honesty or self-respect. You pay a lower penalty at the same time. The court still gets what it's after -- $$$. It's what they call a "Win-Win Situation" in sales.

 

[Ylen13]

Originally posted by: TallBill

WHy? Contesting the ticket is your right. There's nothing wrong with exercising it. The worst that can happen is he pays the same fine he's already agreeing to pay. However, he could get a lesser charge, or get off on a technicality.

Easiest way to not pay for tickets is to not break the laws. But im not gonna argue it, because there will never be agreement.

actually easiest way not to get a ticket is to be a cop,peramedic, firefighter or goverment offical or being married to one of those

 

[Kevin]

Didn't you get a speeding last week, or is this the same one?

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: TallBill
Honesty, self respect. Im guessing thats why he never put that up as an option. He's guilty, he knows he's guilty, the state knows that he's guilty. Why try to fudge his way out?

Yeah, self respect. I'm not going to try to weasel out of it.

 

[TallBill]

1. Because traffic court is just a moneymaking venture. It has nothing to do with honesty or safety and everything to do with fund raising.

2. Because you are (technically) innocent until proven guilty. A ticket represents a formal accusation, but you aren't guilty of anything until it is proven in court. There's nothing dishonest about making them do their job.

You are kidding right? in response to #1, of course its for your damn safety. Rules/regulations of the road are not out there for money. They are there to control the maniacs on the roads. There are enough accidents as it is.

and as for #2, making someone do there job is rediculous. if you are guilty of something, own up to it. and yes, i'd pay my fine, even if there was a loophole. trust me, i've been in situations like this before, this isn't just high and mighty bs.

As for being a cop/paramedic/whatever, thats an entirely different subject. Certain people get some worldy respect through their occupation.

 

[Ylen13]

Originally posted by: TallBill

1. Because traffic court is just a moneymaking venture. It has nothing to do with honesty or safety and everything to do with fund raising.

2. Because you are (technically) innocent until proven guilty. A ticket represents a formal accusation, but you aren't guilty of anything until it is proven in court. There's nothing dishonest about making them do their job.

You are kidding right? in response to #1, of course its for your damn safety. Rules/regulations of the road are not out there for money. They are there to control the maniacs on the roads. There are enough accidents as it is.

and as for #2, making someone do there job is rediculous. if you are guilty of something, own up to it. and yes, i'd pay my fine, even if there was a loophole. trust me, i've been in situations like this before, this isn't just high and mighty bs.

As for being a cop/paramedic/whatever, thats an entirely different subject. Certain people get some worldy respect through their occupation.

can u really tell me its not safe for me to do 120 in a brand new car on open 2 lane highway?? with not car visable for as far as u can see?

 

[TallBill]

can u really tell me its not safe for me to do 120 in a brand new car on open 2 lane highway?? with not car visable for as far as u can see?

But thats not the point. Driving is a priveledge. Not everyone is an expert driver. It might not be super dangerous for me or you to do 120 , but i do guarantee you that if you are going 70 on the same highway would be safer then going 120. If you think otherwise your a fool.

And it doesn't matter. Its illegal. If you get caught, then you pay. If you dont wanna pay, then dont take the chance of getting caught.

 

[Cyberian]

Originally posted by: Ylen13
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u are lucky, why not fight it never know what can happen maybe cop don't show up?

don't think a lawyer will be able to due much as it so much over the speed limit

agree, usually when u do over 100 u get your licenes taken or arrest, at the very least u will get an additional point for doing over 100
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What is your advice? This is the final round!

 

[Jzero]

You are kidding right? in response to #1, of course its for your damn safety. Rules/regulations of the road are not out there for money. They are there to control the maniacs on the roads. There are enough accidents as it is.

If that were the truth, the speed limit on the Schuylkill Expressway would be 80MPH and not 50MPH. It's the same as gun control laws - the maniacs are going to do whatever the hell they want regardless of the law. Especially when many people view speed laws as just "The price you have to pay to go fast." It's a convenience fee to them. This is all about money.

and as for #2, making someone do there job is rediculous. if you are guilty of something, own up to it. and yes, i'd pay my fine, even if there was a loophole. trust me, i've been in situations like this before, this isn't just high and mighty bs.

You would still be paying a fine, just less. I guess if you like to be a sucker and hand away your money, that's your business.

 

[Ylen13]

Originally posted by: Cyberian

Originally posted by: Ylen13
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u are lucky, why not fight it never know what can happen maybe cop don't show up?

don't think a lawyer will be able to due much as it so much over the speed limit

agree, usually when u do over 100 u get your licenes taken or arrest, at the very least u will get an additional point for doing over 100
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What is your advice? This is the final round!

go to court and take your chances. the other 2 advice was to other people comments as it poinless of getting a lawyer in this case

 

[TallBill]

Sucker, Not im my books. But I also view people like you as scum.

And you are a moron if you think traffic rules are all about money. Just blow red lights whenever you want? Forget stop signs. Lets go 100 down a residential road. Who needs headlights. Driving drunk is FUN!

 

[Ylen13]

Originally posted by: TallBill
Sucker, Not im my bookks. But I also view people like you as scum.

And you are a moron if you think traffic rules are all about money. Just blow red lights whenever you want? Forget stop signs. Lets go 100 down a residential road. Who needs headlights. Driving drunk is FUN!

u are taking it to extreme

 

[Jzero]

go to court and take your chances. the other 2 advice was to other people comments as it poinless of getting a lawyer in this case

I disagree with that. When you have a fine that high, the lawyer probably knows maneuvers you do not and might have a better chance of getting you a reduced fine at this point. OTOH, in NJ you'd be fighting to keep your license, not just for a couple of bucks, so it may not be worth the cost in TX.

 

[ElFenix]

heheh what highway were you on and what time was it?

 

[TallBill]

u are taking it to extreme

So define a perfect fine line? There isn't one. So live by the laws. I think that they are pretty decent.

 

[Ylen13]

Originally posted by: Jzero

go to court and take your chances. the other 2 advice was to other people comments as it poinless of getting a lawyer in this case

I disagree with that. When you have a fine that high, the lawyer probably knows maneuvers you do not and might have a better chance of getting you a reduced fine at this point. OTOH, in NJ you'd be fighting to keep your license, not just for a couple of bucks, so it may not be worth the cost in TX.

okay will agree with you

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: TallBill
Sucker, Not im my books. But I also view people like you as scum.

And you are a moron if you think traffic rules are all about money. Just blow red lights whenever you want? Forget stop signs. Lets go 100 down a residential road. Who needs headlights. Driving drunk is FUN!

I've never been pulled over, let alone ticketed. Who's the scum now, baby? If you want to pull that mindless slippery slope crap, that's your business as well. For the rest of us who can actually think, we'll go on as normal. They thought that lifting the nationwide 55MPH recommendation would lead to just what you are saying.....yet I don't see any of this.

Funny that, sucker.

 

[Ylen13]

Originally posted by: TallBill

u are taking it to extreme

So define a perfect fine line? There isn't one. So live by the laws. I think that they are pretty decent.

stop signs, traffic lights etc are the laws that we cant as society can't fuction with out. But law such putting 70 mph speed limit on 3 lanes highway which is open most of the time is stupid as its only made so that local community can make money of people that are going thru and go above the speed limit

 

[TallBill]

Who's the scum now, baby?

I've paid for any actions that I've done in my life, whether its through money or other things, and I dont try to get out of anything. Call me what you want, but I'm very happy with my actions.

And Ylen13, we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. Im done with this thread At least you didn't turn to name calling.

 

[yellowperil]

I don't know how it is in TX, but I got a ticket a few weeks ago here in FL (11 mph over). If you take the court option and lose, you have to pay $500 in court costs. Not worth risking IMO unless you have a good (=legal) excuse.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Who's the scum now, baby?

I've paid for any actions that I've done in my life, whether its through money or other things, and I dont try to get out of anything. Call me what you want, but I'm very happy with my actions.

And Ylen13, we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. Im done with this thread At least you didn't turn to name calling.

Gee, I think it was you who started calling people scum, and you've got more egg on your face than I do. What a guy you are. See you on the flippy.

 

[Ylen13]

Originally posted by: yellowperil
I don't know how it is in TX, but I got a ticket a few weeks ago here in FL (11 mph over). If you take the court option and lose, you have to pay $500 in court costs. Not worth risking IMO unless you have a good (=legal) excuse.

ouch are u sure about $500. Kind of seems high in my opinion for court cost

 

[Instan00dles]

what you should do is stop crying, suck it up and face the ticket like a man. you were speeding and cought now you have to face the consequences.