Speeding ticket and radar calibration

[vshah]

Originally posted by: radarmaven
Could've been reading almost anything within range--usually 400 to 1100 feet--that was moving or even vibrating. Aside from vehicles, this includes road signs and other reflective objects that typically move in reaction to winds.

hello...have you been waiting for a radar thread to join?


a friend of mine has gotten off a couple times by making a presentation and arguing the "line or sight" issue.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: vshah

Originally posted by: radarmaven
Could've been reading almost anything within range--usually 400 to 1100 feet--that was moving or even vibrating. Aside from vehicles, this includes road signs and other reflective objects that typically move in reaction to winds.

hello...have you been waiting for a radar thread to join?


a friend of mine has gotten off a couple times by making a presentation and arguing the "line or sight" issue.

:camera:s of your friend getting off?

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Dumb questions:

Were you speeding?
Does your ticket correctly identify your speed?

If both answers above are yes, pay the ticket and move on.

People like you drive me nuts. On travel, a co-worker almost didn't sign all the papers at the car rental (you know, the papers that everyone signs) because he read them and it said he was liable for any unpaid tickets. He actually wasted my time asking about why he has to sign the damned thing.

Dumb question:

Did you bother reading the thread?
Do you ever take your head out of your ass?

People like you drive me nuts.

 

[imported_Imp]

Not really related, but I got really lucky yesterday. Did almost 20 Kmph over on a really long, straight stretch of bridge (was actually slower than flow) and at the end of the bridge, cops had a radar set up. I'd like to thank the two people who were already pulled over for distracting him. Easing on the gas from now on...

Edit: Added units of measurement.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: minendo
Can someone explain to me how radar calibration occurred 2 minutes after my ticket was printed?

I was reviewing the citation and noticed that my ticket was printed at 21:43 but also printed on the ticket was the radar calibration time of 21:45. Exactly how does that work. 😕

I am assuming that they calibrate it immediately afterwards as *documented* proof that it is correct. With all these state's and municipalities budget's going in the tank, they prob want to make it as hard as possible for you to fight the ticket.

Yup, this is true. When I went to fight my ticket, I proved that it was physically impossible for a the signal to magically go over a hill (he clocked me at a distance wher eit was out of his line of sight). Judge just went, "It's lidar...do you have any proof that lidar cannot do that?" Being and engineer, I just responded, "It's physics". HE just responded, "sure, but do you have any proof?".

You mean to say you didn't bust out a white board and work from first principles?

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: allisolm

Originally posted by: minendo
Can someone explain to me how radar calibration occurred 2 minutes after my ticket was printed?

I was reviewing the citation and noticed that my ticket was printed at 21:43 but also printed on the ticket was the radar calibration time of 21:45. Exactly how does that work. 😕

It's just an extension of the AnandTech Forums Timewarp.

You win the thread :beer:

 

[Red Squirrel]

Just pay the ticket. Less hasle, and probably less money. Sucks to lose demerit points though, but just be more careful next time.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Just pay the ticket. Less hasle, and probably less money. Sucks to lose demerit points though, but just be more careful next time.

Did you even bother to read the thread? Never once did I question if I should fight the ticket or pay it.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Just pay the ticket. Less hasle, and probably less money. Sucks to lose demerit points though, but just be more careful next time.

Did you even bother to read the thread? Never once did I question if I should fight the ticket or pay it.

I was more referring to others stating you should fight it. Most of the time the first thing someone wants to do when they get a ticket is try to fight it. Not saying you did this.

 

[Sukhoi]

Originally posted by: JLee
Radars do not get calibrated/set/adjusted/etc by the officer. They are tested to confirm that they are in proper working condition. That's how it goes up here, anyway. The state lab tests/calibrates them on an annual basis.

Originally posted by: LS21
dont put on a front license plate less reflection shooting from the front

ive seen many self-represent themselves in arguments over calibration. no-go

best chances is to pay for dirt lawyer or take (good) chance that cop wont show up

Dude, I can pick up bicycles. Your front license plate is not a major concern...unless you don't have one. NH is a two-plate state and you can get stopped for it.

Do you mean for radar or laser? For laser aren't you trained to target the front plate, and if no good return off that then one of the headlights?

 

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: Sukhoi

Originally posted by: JLee
Radars do not get calibrated/set/adjusted/etc by the officer. They are tested to confirm that they are in proper working condition. That's how it goes up here, anyway. The state lab tests/calibrates them on an annual basis.

Originally posted by: LS21
dont put on a front license plate less reflection shooting from the front

ive seen many self-represent themselves in arguments over calibration. no-go

best chances is to pay for dirt lawyer or take (good) chance that cop wont show up

Dude, I can pick up bicycles. Your front license plate is not a major concern...unless you don't have one. NH is a two-plate state and you can get stopped for it.

Do you mean for radar or laser? For laser aren't you trained to target the front plate, and if no good return off that then one of the headlights?

Im trained to hit the vehicle with the laser.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: Sukhoi

Originally posted by: JLee
Radars do not get calibrated/set/adjusted/etc by the officer. They are tested to confirm that they are in proper working condition. That's how it goes up here, anyway. The state lab tests/calibrates them on an annual basis.

Originally posted by: LS21
dont put on a front license plate less reflection shooting from the front

ive seen many self-represent themselves in arguments over calibration. no-go

best chances is to pay for dirt lawyer or take (good) chance that cop wont show up

Dude, I can pick up bicycles. Your front license plate is not a major concern...unless you don't have one. NH is a two-plate state and you can get stopped for it.

Do you mean for radar or laser? For laser aren't you trained to target the front plate, and if no good return off that then one of the headlights?

Im trained to hit the vehicle with the laser.

Yeah but if you hit a bumper with laser it's useless. I also heard that cops use laser on headlights or license plates since nothing else will give them a reading.

 

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: Sukhoi

Originally posted by: JLee
Radars do not get calibrated/set/adjusted/etc by the officer. They are tested to confirm that they are in proper working condition. That's how it goes up here, anyway. The state lab tests/calibrates them on an annual basis.

Originally posted by: LS21
dont put on a front license plate less reflection shooting from the front

ive seen many self-represent themselves in arguments over calibration. no-go

best chances is to pay for dirt lawyer or take (good) chance that cop wont show up

Dude, I can pick up bicycles. Your front license plate is not a major concern...unless you don't have one. NH is a two-plate state and you can get stopped for it.

Do you mean for radar or laser? For laser aren't you trained to target the front plate, and if no good return off that then one of the headlights?

Im trained to hit the vehicle with the laser.

Yeah but if you hit a bumper with laser it's useless. I also heard that cops use laser on headlights or license plates since nothing else will give them a reading.

And why is it useless?

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: Sukhoi

Originally posted by: JLee
Radars do not get calibrated/set/adjusted/etc by the officer. They are tested to confirm that they are in proper working condition. That's how it goes up here, anyway. The state lab tests/calibrates them on an annual basis.

Originally posted by: LS21
dont put on a front license plate less reflection shooting from the front

ive seen many self-represent themselves in arguments over calibration. no-go

best chances is to pay for dirt lawyer or take (good) chance that cop wont show up

Dude, I can pick up bicycles. Your front license plate is not a major concern...unless you don't have one. NH is a two-plate state and you can get stopped for it.

Do you mean for radar or laser? For laser aren't you trained to target the front plate, and if no good return off that then one of the headlights?

Im trained to hit the vehicle with the laser.

Yeah but if you hit a bumper with laser it's useless. I also heard that cops use laser on headlights or license plates since nothing else will give them a reading.

And why is it useless?

Non-reflective surface?

 

[Danielinplano]

Yup, this is true. When I went to fight my ticket, I proved that it was physically impossible for a the signal to magically go over a hill (he clocked me at a distance wher eit was out of his line of sight). Judge just went, "It's lidar...do you have any proof that lidar cannot do that?" Being and engineer, I just responded, "It's physics". HE just responded, "sure, but do you have any proof?".

I’m not a lawyer but I’ve consulted with an expert on the field. If you’re going to fight a speeding ticket you have to get familiar with prior case law and bring copies of that case law (3 copies. One for judge, one for plaintiff, one for yourself) to court. Refer to the case law regarding your case. The burden of proof is not on you to prove the Radar was callibrated recently and properly. The burden of proof is on the plaintiff (cop or whoever represents the cop). If you let them get away with saying they calibrated it, the judge is on the cops side. So he’ll go with that unless you challenge it. They must provide documented proof of the calibration right then and there. If the don’t have it (and I understand they usually dont), then ask the judge to dismiss. If the plaintiff asks for a continuation, request the judge dismiss immediately as it is not your responsibility that the plaintiff was not prepared. Plus, find the resources to support that in other cases, based on plaintiff lack of being prepared, the judge dismissed the case.
The key is you don’t give them any wiggle room. You must be as assertive and aggressive (but professional and polite) as the other side.
If you don’t know precedent and you allow the process to steamroll you, you’ll get fine and points. If you’re going to fight it you have to be strong and prepared. Otherwise why waste your time e?

 

[BoomerD]

I’m not a lawyer but I’ve consulted with an expert on the field. If you’re going to fight a speeding ticket you have to get familiar with prior case law and bring copies of that case law (3 copies. One for judge, one for plaintiff, one for yourself) to court. Refer to the case law regarding your case. The burden of proof is not on you to prove the Radar was callibrated recently and properly. The burden of proof is on the plaintiff (cop or whoever represents the cop). If you let them get away with saying they calibrated it, the judge is on the cops side. So he’ll go with that unless you challenge it. They must provide documented proof of the calibration right then and there. If the don’t have it (and I understand they usually dont), then ask the judge to dismiss. If the plaintiff asks for a continuation, request the judge dismiss immediately as it is not your responsibility that the plaintiff was not prepared. Plus, find the resources to support that in other cases, based on plaintiff lack of being prepared, the judge dismissed the case.
The key is you don’t give them any wiggle room. You must be as assertive and aggressive (but professional and polite) as the other side.
If you don’t know precedent and you allow the process to steamroll you, you’ll get fine and points. If you’re going to fight it you have to be strong and prepared. Otherwise why waste your time e?

and thank you for bumping an 11 year old thread with your insightful commentary.

 

[Newbian]

Ahhh the fresh bouquet of a 2009 necro.

 

[EliteRetard]

Given how slow the government moves, could still be waiting for a court date...