Speeding ticket and radar calibration

[minendo]

Can someone explain to me how radar calibration occurred 2 minutes after my ticket was printed?

I was reviewing the citation and noticed that my ticket was printed at 21:43 but also printed on the ticket was the radar calibration time of 21:45. Exactly how does that work.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: minendo
Can someone explain to me how radar calibration occurred 2 minutes after my ticket was printed?

I was reviewing the citation and noticed that my ticket was printed at 21:43 but also printed on the ticket was the radar calibration time of 21:45. Exactly how does that work.

I am assuming that they calibrate it immediately afterwards as *documented* proof that it is correct. With all these state's and municipalities budget's going in the tank, they prob want to make it as hard as possible for you to fight the ticket.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: minendo
Can someone explain to me how radar calibration occurred 2 minutes after my ticket was printed?

I was reviewing the citation and noticed that my ticket was printed at 21:43 but also printed on the ticket was the radar calibration time of 21:45. Exactly how does that work.

I am assuming that they calibrate it immediately afterwards as *documented* proof that it is correct. With all these state's and municipalities budget's going in the tank, they prob want to make it as hard as possible for you to fight the ticket.

I would think that the point is calibrating it after the fact is a no-no. It does nothing to prove the cited speed was accurate in the first place.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: minendo
Can someone explain to me how radar calibration occurred 2 minutes after my ticket was printed?

I was reviewing the citation and noticed that my ticket was printed at 21:43 but also printed on the ticket was the radar calibration time of 21:45. Exactly how does that work.

I am assuming that they calibrate it immediately afterwards as *documented* proof that it is correct. With all these state's and municipalities budget's going in the tank, they prob want to make it as hard as possible for you to fight the ticket.

I would think that the point is calibrating it after the fact is a no-no. It does nothing to prove the cited speed was accurate in the first place.

That was my thought as well. It doesn't prove that it was calibrated prior to clocking me.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: minendo
Can someone explain to me how radar calibration occurred 2 minutes after my ticket was printed?

I was reviewing the citation and noticed that my ticket was printed at 21:43 but also printed on the ticket was the radar calibration time of 21:45. Exactly how does that work.

I am assuming that they calibrate it immediately afterwards as *documented* proof that it is correct. With all these state's and municipalities budget's going in the tank, they prob want to make it as hard as possible for you to fight the ticket.

I would think that the point is calibrating it after the fact is a no-no. It does nothing to prove the cited speed was accurate in the first place.

Sorry, I meant it more as documented proof that it is calibrated after each stop and therefore correct each time. It makes a paper trail.

 

[LS21]

dont put on a front license plate less reflection shooting from the front

ive seen many self-represent themselves in arguments over calibration. no-go

best chances is to pay for dirt lawyer or take (good) chance that cop wont show up

 

[jlee]

Radars do not get calibrated/set/adjusted/etc by the officer. They are tested to confirm that they are in proper working condition. That's how it goes up here, anyway. The state lab tests/calibrates them on an annual basis.

Originally posted by: LS21
dont put on a front license plate less reflection shooting from the front

ive seen many self-represent themselves in arguments over calibration. no-go

best chances is to pay for dirt lawyer or take (good) chance that cop wont show up

Dude, I can pick up bicycles. Your front license plate is not a major concern...unless you don't have one. NH is a two-plate state and you can get stopped for it.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: minendo
Can someone explain to me how radar calibration occurred 2 minutes after my ticket was printed?

I was reviewing the citation and noticed that my ticket was printed at 21:43 but also printed on the ticket was the radar calibration time of 21:45. Exactly how does that work.

I am assuming that they calibrate it immediately afterwards as *documented* proof that it is correct. With all these state's and municipalities budget's going in the tank, they prob want to make it as hard as possible for you to fight the ticket.

I would think that the point is calibrating it after the fact is a no-no. It does nothing to prove the cited speed was accurate in the first place.

That was my thought as well. It doesn't prove that it was calibrated prior to clocking me.

Just as a for instance, if you were to fight the ticket and say, I don't think the radar gun was calibrated correct, then the cop, could say according to protocol blah blah blah, I recalibrate the gun after each detection/stop as I clearly documented on the defendant's ticket.

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: minendo
Can someone explain to me how radar calibration occurred 2 minutes after my ticket was printed?

I was reviewing the citation and noticed that my ticket was printed at 21:43 but also printed on the ticket was the radar calibration time of 21:45. Exactly how does that work.

I am assuming that they calibrate it immediately afterwards as *documented* proof that it is correct. With all these state's and municipalities budget's going in the tank, they prob want to make it as hard as possible for you to fight the ticket.

Yup, this is true. When I went to fight my ticket, I proved that it was physically impossible for a the signal to magically go over a hill (he clocked me at a distance wher eit was out of his line of sight). Judge just went, "It's lidar...do you have any proof that lidar cannot do that?" Being and engineer, I just responded, "It's physics". HE just responded, "sure, but do you have any proof?".

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: minendo
Can someone explain to me how radar calibration occurred 2 minutes after my ticket was printed?

I was reviewing the citation and noticed that my ticket was printed at 21:43 but also printed on the ticket was the radar calibration time of 21:45. Exactly how does that work.

I am assuming that they calibrate it immediately afterwards as *documented* proof that it is correct. With all these state's and municipalities budget's going in the tank, they prob want to make it as hard as possible for you to fight the ticket.

Yup, this is true. When I went to fight my ticket, I proved that it was physically impossible for a the signal to magically go over a hill (he clocked me at a distance wher eit was out of his line of sight). Judge just went, "It's lidar...do you have any proof that lidar cannot do that?" Being and engineer, I just responded, "It's physics". HE just responded, "sure, but do you have any proof?".

I guess you didn't prove it, then, did ya?

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: minendo
Can someone explain to me how radar calibration occurred 2 minutes after my ticket was printed?

I was reviewing the citation and noticed that my ticket was printed at 21:43 but also printed on the ticket was the radar calibration time of 21:45. Exactly how does that work.

shouldnt matter as long as there was a previous calibration performed within 60 days prior.

 

[mugs]

Was there a date with the timestamp? Maybe the calibration was done the day before. Maybe it wasn't actually a calibration, it was a verification that the result was accurate.

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: minendo
Can someone explain to me how radar calibration occurred 2 minutes after my ticket was printed?

I was reviewing the citation and noticed that my ticket was printed at 21:43 but also printed on the ticket was the radar calibration time of 21:45. Exactly how does that work.

I am assuming that they calibrate it immediately afterwards as *documented* proof that it is correct. With all these state's and municipalities budget's going in the tank, they prob want to make it as hard as possible for you to fight the ticket.

I would think that the point is calibrating it after the fact is a no-no. It does nothing to prove the cited speed was accurate in the first place.

That was my thought as well. It doesn't prove that it was calibrated prior to clocking me.

Just as a for instance, if you were to fight the ticket and say, I don't think the radar gun was calibrated correct, then the cop, could say according to protocol blah blah blah, I recalibrate the gun after each detection/stop as I clearly documented on the defendant's ticket.

does not really matter...calibration for radar is done monthly, not daily. Lidar can "recalibrate" itself because it's dsp requires it to have a certain amount of "prior info" to get an accurate reading. The only way to get off by "calibration" is to prove that the officer was never trained to use the gun properly and to do so, you need to file for discovery. In that case, the officer will know what you are trying to do and he can easily do the same.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Gibson486
Yup, this is true. When I went to fight my ticket, I proved that it was physically impossible for a the signal to magically go over a hill (he clocked me at a distance wher eit was out of his line of sight). Judge just went, "It's lidar...do you have any proof that lidar cannot do that?" Being and engineer, I just responded, "It's physics". HE just responded, "sure, but do you have any proof?".

I guess you didn't prove it, then, did ya?

It's traffic court, you're guilty unless you can find a technicality. Breaking the laws of physics isn't a technicality.

 

[allisolm]

Originally posted by: minendo
Can someone explain to me how radar calibration occurred 2 minutes after my ticket was printed?

I was reviewing the citation and noticed that my ticket was printed at 21:43 but also printed on the ticket was the radar calibration time of 21:45. Exactly how does that work.

It's just an extension of the AnandTech Forums Timewarp.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: allisolm

Originally posted by: minendo
Can someone explain to me how radar calibration occurred 2 minutes after my ticket was printed?

I was reviewing the citation and noticed that my ticket was printed at 21:43 but also printed on the ticket was the radar calibration time of 21:45. Exactly how does that work.

It's just an extension of the AnandTech Forums Timewarp.

When you get it set up so I can oversleep and still be early for work, let me know and I'll buy you a :beer:!

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: minendo
Can someone explain to me how radar calibration occurred 2 minutes after my ticket was printed?

I was reviewing the citation and noticed that my ticket was printed at 21:43 but also printed on the ticket was the radar calibration time of 21:45. Exactly how does that work.

I am assuming that they calibrate it immediately afterwards as *documented* proof that it is correct. With all these state's and municipalities budget's going in the tank, they prob want to make it as hard as possible for you to fight the ticket.

I would think that the point is calibrating it after the fact is a no-no. It does nothing to prove the cited speed was accurate in the first place.

That was my thought as well. It doesn't prove that it was calibrated prior to clocking me.

Just as a for instance, if you were to fight the ticket and say, I don't think the radar gun was calibrated correct, then the cop, could say according to protocol blah blah blah, I recalibrate the gun after each detection/stop as I clearly documented on the defendant's ticket.

My intention of this thread was not necessarily to fight the ticket, but inquire as to how a radar was calibrated two minutes after my citation was printed.

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: minendo
Can someone explain to me how radar calibration occurred 2 minutes after my ticket was printed?

I was reviewing the citation and noticed that my ticket was printed at 21:43 but also printed on the ticket was the radar calibration time of 21:45. Exactly how does that work.

I am assuming that they calibrate it immediately afterwards as *documented* proof that it is correct. With all these state's and municipalities budget's going in the tank, they prob want to make it as hard as possible for you to fight the ticket.

Yup, this is true. When I went to fight my ticket, I proved that it was physically impossible for a the signal to magically go over a hill (he clocked me at a distance wher eit was out of his line of sight). Judge just went, "It's lidar...do you have any proof that lidar cannot do that?" Being and engineer, I just responded, "It's physics". HE just responded, "sure, but do you have any proof?".

I guess you didn't prove it, then, did ya?

guess I did not . I thought a simple picture of where I got my ticket, an ariel view and simple trig would work. Nope...he just babbled on about how Lidar can do that stuff and how I need to show evidence that lidar cannot do that.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: minendo
Can someone explain to me how radar calibration occurred 2 minutes after my ticket was printed?

I was reviewing the citation and noticed that my ticket was printed at 21:43 but also printed on the ticket was the radar calibration time of 21:45. Exactly how does that work.

I am assuming that they calibrate it immediately afterwards as *documented* proof that it is correct. With all these state's and municipalities budget's going in the tank, they prob want to make it as hard as possible for you to fight the ticket.

I would think that the point is calibrating it after the fact is a no-no. It does nothing to prove the cited speed was accurate in the first place.

That was my thought as well. It doesn't prove that it was calibrated prior to clocking me.

Just as a for instance, if you were to fight the ticket and say, I don't think the radar gun was calibrated correct, then the cop, could say according to protocol blah blah blah, I recalibrate the gun after each detection/stop as I clearly documented on the defendant's ticket.

My intention of this thread was not necessarily to fight the ticket, but inquire as to how a radar was calibrated two minutes after my citation was printed.

I really wasn't saying you were, I was just giving a possible explanation for why they were documenting such information. Tight times go both ways. They know people don't want to lose extra money to a ticket and are therefore more likely to fight it and of course they sure as hell don't want to lose out on some quick easy dough.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Dumb questions:

Were you speeding?
Does your ticket correctly identify your speed?

If both answers above are yes, pay the ticket and move on.

People like you drive me nuts. On travel, a co-worker almost didn't sign all the papers at the car rental (you know, the papers that everyone signs) because he read them and it said he was liable for any unpaid tickets. He actually wasted my time asking about why he has to sign the damned thing.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Dumb questions:

Were you speeding?
Does your ticket correctly identify your speed?

If both answers above are yes, pay the ticket and move on.

People like you drive me nuts. On travel, a co-worker almost didn't sign all the papers at the car rental (you know, the papers that everyone signs) because he read them and it said he was liable for any unpaid tickets. He actually wasted my time asking about why he has to sign the damned thing.

Oh christ, here we go. He specifically stated he wasn't asking in order to fight the ticket.

Turn off your "personal responsibility speech" bot. kthxbai

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Dumb questions:

Were you speeding?
Does your ticket correctly identify your speed?

If both answers above are yes, pay the ticket and move on.

People like you drive me nuts. On travel, a co-worker almost didn't sign all the papers at the car rental (you know, the papers that everyone signs) because he read them and it said he was liable for any unpaid tickets. He actually wasted my time asking about why he has to sign the damned thing.

I figured one of the holier-than-thou asshats would show up. Never once did I state I was not speeding nor did I ask how to fight the ticket. Read the thread and you will see that I even stated my intentions were not to discuss fighting the ticket.

 

[radarmaven]

It's likely that the radar being used went through an automatic self-test (calibration sequence) after you were stopped, which would account for the time disparity. Or the officer could have instructed the unit to self-test after he'd returned to his vehicle, by pressing a button, then noted the time.

The Stalker Dual/DSR line of radar, for instance, automatically self-tests every 15 minutes. That was done to meet Florida requirements. Other current-generation DSP-driven radar work similarly.

 

[invidia]

Does anyone know those solar-panel traffic radars that shows your speed and turns red whenever you hit above the speed limit?

Well, I was at this traffic light with some other cars and there was one of these solar radar machines to the front on the side of me. No cars were behind me nor coming up. It had me going at 20 mph when I wasn't moving.

 

[radarmaven]

Could've been reading almost anything within range--usually 400 to 1100 feet--that was moving or even vibrating. Aside from vehicles, this includes road signs and other reflective objects that typically move in reaction to winds.