speed questions

DGolem

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I'm a little behind on how some of the clock settings work on newer systems in relation to the bus but I've done some research, mostly on anandtech, and I think I've figured most of it out. I just need to be told if I'm right or not....

Ok when you're setting the cpu's MHz speed you set the clock and the multiplier. The clock settings not only determines the cpu's speed but the motherboard's bus speed as well while the multiplier only affects the cpu. How can you tell if the motherboard's FSB is going to be the same as your cpu's clock speed, double it, or any other multiplied amount? For example my current motherboard is an MSI K7T Turbo2 and claims to have a 200/266MHz system bus. So I take it since my cpu is currently set to 133mhz X 10 (i think it was 10) then the FSB is doubled that and is running at 266MHz? By knowing what FSB speeds the motherboard claims to run at you can tell if it's 1x or 2x or is there another way? (a 1x would claim to run a 100/133 FSB I suppose)

And is the Front Side Bus speed all I need to be concerned about..... is it the only bus speed affected by clock settings? Are there other parts of the bus I should know about?

Finally, I need to decide on some new ram. I already know I want 512mb and I'm going to try and spend around $100 dollars on pricewatch. I'm definitely not getting rdram for a couple reasons one being my mobo doesn't even support rimms..... so I'm going to get a dimm either sdram or ddr sdram but I need some info. First of all, since SDRAM dimm chip = 168 pin and DDR SDRAM dimm chip = 184 pin does that mean I have to make sure my mobo supports ddr before I try and buy any? I have a feeling mine can't since the specs only mention 6 168 pin slots, nothing about 184 pin. Is there a limit set by motherboards as to how fast they'll let their ram go? For example could I buy a pc150 (150mhz) sdram chip and expect it to run that fast on any motherboard I stick it into, assuming I have the jumper/dip switches/bios settings right? Does dividing the number after PC by 16 give you the MHz speed on ddr ram? I'm guessing since the number is in megabytes per second dividing by 16 bytes give you megahertz per second right? If that's true I'm wondering why they even bother with that number since the MHz is the only property to change with each speed while the 128 bit bandwidth remains the same. Why not just use mhz like they did with SDR?

Sorry for asking so many noobish questions but it's been awhile since my last upgrade......:eek:
 

IRJack

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Lots o' Q's.... I'll try to A most of them.....

Proc Speed: Your are correct that your cpu speed is derived from the FSB x multiplier. I believe your board uses a KT133A chipset, which supports the 200/266 FSB - this is 100Mhz DDR and 133Mhz DDR - DDR = Double Data Rate. The bus clock speed is still 100 or 133, but data is transferred twice per clock instead of only one time (SDR - Single Data Rate). That's where the 200/266 come in. Your cpu speed will be derived using the 100 or 133 number, not the 200 or 266. So you're running at 133 x 10 = 1.33 Ghz.

If this is a KT133A board, you're limited to SDRAM (168 pin) memory. No DDR support on the RAM. You could run pc100 or pc133. Pc150 is only useful if you intend to overclock via the bus speed.

FSB speed on this board will also affect your pci bus speed. PCI should be 33Mhz and if you're running 133, there's 1/4 divider used for PCI (133 / 4 = 33). Some newer boards have a PCI speed lock at 33Mhz option, but this probably isn't the case with your board. Overclocking the PCI will overclock any pci card as well as your HDD and CDROM interfaces. These guys typically don't like extra speed :).

Memory bandwidth is calculated like so: (Speed) x (bus width/8) x (transfers per clock). So if you're running pc133, (133mhz) X (64bits/8 bits per byte) X (1) = 1064 Mbytes/sec.
Whereas pc1600 (100Mhz DDR) is : (100Mhz) X (64bits/8bits per byte) X (2 transfers per clock) = 1600 Mbytes/sec. The trend with SDR RAM was that the number following the "pc" was the speed in Mhz. With DDR, the trend changed to "pc" followed by the bandwidth in Mbytes/sec. ie. pc1600 = 1600Mbytes/sec, pc2700 = 2700Mbytes/sec.

Hope this helps you out.
 

DGolem

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Thanks IRJack, those answers are exactly what I was looking for :).

Thanks AndyHui I read the DDR faq but I must have missed the ram considerations one so I'll read that too. Also I noticed the DDR faq didn't mention pin numbers so that was something I wanted to be sure on. Think it should be added?

The reason I'm trying to make sure I understand everything correctly is because someone I know needs a ram upgrade. Last time I upgraded ram pc133 was the best I could afford so none of the other types were important anyway. Before that I didn't build computers and the one I bought came with simms which I'm glad I never had to learn about:cool:. I think the prices dropped alot after RAMBUS got in trouble and couldn't charge royalties anymore..... That's another reason I don't want rimms because rambus is a little evil IMO:).

This person I knew was complaining about the computer acting slow and choking up in internet browsing and games to the point where it wouldn't render a new frame for about a minute so I looked and noticed the hdd light going off a LOT even when levels in GTAIII were already loaded. It's got to be a swap problem caused by lack of ram. This comp only has 128mb pc100 running win xp pro and a 5200 rpm hdd is bound to slow things down when it swaps. Nothing else could be bottlenecking it anymore than that since it has a 950mhz TBird and a Guillemot Geforce256. So i think i'll go for 512mb pc150 ram which is only $72 without shipping on pricewatch. It's generic of course but it's not like i'm going to overclock it......
 

AndyHui

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Thanks fo the suggestion, DGolem. I will fix the FAQ soon.
 

DGolem

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lol, I didn't realize you were the faq editor until just now. I guess I should have looked below your name :). Anyway, glad I could help.