Question Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

[uzzi38]

Man I have been dying to make this one for a while now.

First rumours for RDNA3 are here so new thread time!

Just going to start off with this one for now: kopite7kimi on Twitter: "@VideoCardz Ah, I mean a simple mcm design with 10240 cores is not enough. Because the lift from RDNA2 to RDNA3 is much bigger than from RDNA1 to RDNA2. We should expect many big improvements in GFX11. 🤔" / Twitter

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Or this

Evidence Shows AI-Driven Companies Are Buying up Gaming GPUs

Hopefully we can avoid a repeat of the cryptomining-GPU situation.

www.tomshardware.com

-Ugh god damn it, AI isn't going to be the next crypto for gaming cards, is it?

 

[igor_kavinski]

-Ugh god damn it, AI isn't going to be the next crypto for gaming cards, is it?

Even if it is, what do we buy in an urgency to avoid being deprived? Have a 6800, NIB 6800 XT and a 3090. Wish I could sell both 6800s to get a 7900 XT at least. But I'll be lucky if I can get half price for them.

 

[Heartbreaker]

-Ugh god damn it, AI isn't going to be the next crypto for gaming cards, is it?

Hope not. Bear in mind you can't just run an AI algorithm and generate money. These are going be bought by companies hoping to train some kind of Unique model that other people are will to pay for, which is a much, MUCH more tenuous route to generating money.

 

[jpiniero]

Hope not. Bear in mind you can't just run an AI algorithm and generate money.

You can... it's called the "Stock Market"

 

[Aapje]

AMD just keep squeezing the market for the 7800XT, first by reducing the price on the 7900XT & now the 7900 GRE (6950XT in effect) being $649 doesn't leave much room for their middle cards. I don't think the 7800XT will be much faster if at all faster than the 6800XT, <10% improvement.

There's plenty of room if they sell the 7800 XT for roughly the same price as the 6800 XT is sold now.

 

[Heartbreaker]

You can... it's called the "Stock Market"

How does a buying a GPU make you money on the stock market?

 

[jpiniero]

How does a buying a GPU make you money on the stock market?

You say the word "AI"... and people dump lots of money into your stock.

 

[Heartbreaker]

You say the word "AI"... and people dump lots of money into your stock.

This isn't about pump and dumps for investors.

This is about if there is going to be another mining type run on GPUs.

GPU were directly used to generate Ponzi coins, and sell them for money, leading to all the GPU mining madness.

You can't use GPUs to run AI busywork for money, so it less likely there will be a run on consumer GPUs for AI.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

This isn't about pump and dumps for investors.

This is about if there is going to be another mining type run on GPUs.

GPU were directly used to generate Ponzi coins, and sell them for money, leading to all the GPU mining madness.

You can't use GPUs to run AI busywork for money, so it less likely there will be a run on consumer GPUs for AI.

-Wait till we get Artificial Coin-telligence, it will be the scalping singularity.

 

[Dribble]

-Ugh god damn it, AI isn't going to be the next crypto for gaming cards, is it?

Doubt it, AI needs lots of memory, and most gaming cards don't have enough.

 

[SolidQ]

What do you think about last part?

 

[Heartbreaker]

What do you think about last part?

All I see is a black screen, so likely a YT channel I blocked as one that posts nothing of value or clickbait.

So, I don't think anything except, you are probably posting clickbait.

Why don't you post what you think, instead of clickbait links?

 

[jpiniero]

What do you think about last part?

MLID = Fake Noodz

 

[coercitiv]

What do you think about last part?

Don't think, just believe!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The only time I watch Tom's stuff, is if he has on game devs, engineers, that kind of thing.

I skimmed through the transcript so you don't have to. Claims Nvidia is trickling out supply. That Nvidia is banking on A.I. and the door is wide open for AMD to take market share in gaming. But AMD doesn't want to outgrow capacity, take it from enterprise, or deal with logistical nightmares. That they would be happy with 35-40%. If they hit it out of the park on a future GPU maybe then they will shoot for 50% or more. Says if they drop launch prices on the upcoming cards 10% he thinks gamers are willing to turn to AMD for their next purchase.

His typical sources and speculation horse hockey.

He white knights AMD fairly hard in this one. Saying Nvidia managed to get an it's okay to be bad mindshare. AMD can't for whatever reason, so they would be the bad guy if they were number 1. The whole thing reads like fan fiction.

 

[Heartbreaker]

The whole thing reads like fan fiction.

That is MLID in a nutshell. His stuff mostly seems to "reporting" all kinds of behind the scenes non-verifiable drama that is completely irrelevant and made up. Product decisions aren't some kind of big emotional drama, they are going to largely be decided by number crunchers with spreadsheets.

 

[Tup3x]

PowerColor has page up for 7800 XT.

PowerColor

www.powercolor.com

 

[CouncilorIrissa]

Surprise, surprise! N32 clocks no higher than the N31 does.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Surprise, surprise! N32 clocks no higher than the N31 does.

Overall that makes for a disappointing 7800XT, that will probably only perform similar to 6800XT. With 6800 XT having 20% more CUs (72 vs 60), 7800XT needs 20% gain from IPC and clockspeed, just to break even.

If that really is the 7800 XT, no wonder AMD wanted to clear 6800 XT before the 7800 XT that performs the same showed up.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

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[GodisanAtheist]

Surprise, surprise! N32 clocks no higher than the N31 does.

-Yep, so guess we can expect ~6800 +10% at best from the 7800XT, which will be a performance regression from the 6800XT.

No wonder AMD was so hellbent on making sure the channel was clear for N21 parts.

 

[Heartbreaker]

-Yep, so guess we can expect ~6800 +10% at best from the 7800XT, which will be a performance regression from the 6800XT.

No wonder AMD was so hellbent on making sure the channel was clear for N21 parts.

AMD and NVidia competing to see who can disappoint us more this generation.

 

[gdansk]

Less than 2600MHz as anticipated. Not fixed in anyway? As for the price it'll be $500.
DOA but at least it isn't totally dead.

 

[jpiniero]

Less than 2600MHz as anticipated. Not fixed in anyway? As for the price it'll be $500.
DOA but at least it isn't totally dead.

I imagine they will try $550.

 

[Heartbreaker]

This the disappointment generation, they will charge $600. You should be grateful for a $50 reduction off the original 6800 XT MSRP.