Question Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

[uzzi38]

Man I have been dying to make this one for a while now.

First rumours for RDNA3 are here so new thread time!

Just going to start off with this one for now: kopite7kimi on Twitter: "@VideoCardz Ah, I mean a simple mcm design with 10240 cores is not enough. Because the lift from RDNA2 to RDNA3 is much bigger than from RDNA1 to RDNA2. We should expect many big improvements in GFX11. 🤔" / Twitter

 

[marees]

FSR 4 int8 version tested by HUB vs XeSS

FSR 4 int8 (for rdna 3 & 2) is better than xess is the conclusion

Minor pixel quality wins of xess loses to overall stability of FSR 4 int8

https://twitter.com/x/status/1973717348990521433

 

[waffleironhead]

Probably never. May turn up on Aliexpress though. Even ebay if someone gets disgusted by them in their pre-built desktop.

Thats a shame. Slot powered card that spanks a rx6500xt, plus twice the vram. Id be all over them to slap into prebuilts.

 

[SolidQ]

Why not RDNA4? and only 8GB vram?

 

[adroc_thurston]

Why not RDNA4? and only 8GB vram?

Cost.
It's HPT2 and a gutted N33 so they were trying to hit the lowest BOM possible.

 

[gdansk]

If you see 'semi custom' when reading about the Steam Machine simply replace 'semi' with 'not'.

They were very lucky to have unicorn-sniffing VC order the original chip that Steam Deck used.

 

[jpiniero]

No price? $400?

 

[regen1]

 

[Racan]

 

[gdansk]

No price? $400?

No price yet because it is Too High™.

 

[coercitiv]

What a cute little PLEX SERVER!!!

Oh, this is the gaming forum. Only 8GB?! Booooo!

 

[Heartbreaker]

No price? $400?

Valve said the same to everyone: "Not Console pricing, Entry level Gaming PC Pricing".

What's a console now? $650 for XBSX...

So more like $800.

 

[NTMBK]

Why not RDNA4? and only 8GB vram?

It's cheap and available. I'm disappointed they didn't go for Strix Halo, but I guess those are far more expensive than this cheap junk.

 

[coercitiv]

So more like $800.

They can sure try.

 

[marees]

What a cute little PLEX SERVER!!!

Oh, this is the gaming forum. Only 8GB?! Booooo!

Should've gone with the max+ 388 for the GabeCube, imo.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Should've gone with the max+ 388 for the GabeCube, imo.

That's very expensive.
But a 6+28 stxH chop could've been a maybe.

 

[marees]

That's very expensive.
But a 6+28 stxH chop could've been a maybe.

Yeah, missed opportunity. A 32gb (16 + 16) ram/vram option would have been better than the current (16 + 8) split too

Plus power/cooling needs might have reduced

I was hoping production box would have cut down stxH

 

[Heartbreaker]

They can sure try.

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How much does it cost to build an SFF PC with the same specs? Even though cheap laptop exist, people still keep building small PCs...

This is a very nicely package SFF PC.

 

[luro]

How much does it cost to build an SFF PC with the same specs? Even though cheap laptop exist, people still keep building small PCs...

This is a very nicely package SFF PC.

More expensive than a regular PC. Especially because of mini ITX mobos and SFX PSUs prices

 

[Covfefe]

More expensive than a regular PC. Especially because of mini ITX mobos and SFX PSUs prices

I would think Steam will get the price lower. This is a mini PC. It doesn't have a mobo or PSU in the traditional sense. Everything is integrated onto one board. There are cost savings versus an ATX PC.

 

[marees]

I would think the opposite. This is a mini PC. It doesn't have a mobo or PSU in the traditional sense. Everything is integrated onto one board. There are cost savings versus an ATX PC.

$700 if you can access PC part picker

https://twitter.com/x/status/1988793343531446361

 

[Vikv1918]

You can buy a $700 laptop with a 4060 that will outperform this. And a laptop has a screen/battery/keyboard on top of nvidia margins.

This needs to be like $500 at most. But even at that price...like why not spend $200 more and build a 9060 XT pc that will run 50% faster and 100% faster in RT?

This product makes no sense to me. I think it's gonna be yet another Valve hardware L.

 

[RnR_au]

This product makes no sense to me. I think it's gonna be yet another Valve hardware L.

Or maybe its supercheap which could be a winner in a cost-of-living crisis and high console prices.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Valve is the most favorably viewed company among PC gamers. That branding will help. Also, should have no problem stealing sales from similarly priced mini PCs.

Perhaps these have the iGPU fused off because it was nerfed? If so, that probably lowered costs further. Even at 30W if it is boosting to 4.8GHz it'll be as fast as a 7400f. Will earn its keep when using FSR or another res scaler.

Spoiler

Their strategy is tightly focused on the TV in the living room. It's why they spent so much time on making certain it'll fit in the entertainment console but still be able to breath.

The biggest issue isn't the 8GB, it's the anti-cheat. Not being able to play Fortnite or BF6 with it OOB is a major reason for many not to buy.

 

[marees]

Or maybe its supercheap which could be a winner in a cost-of-living crisis and high console prices.

Yes a lot depends on the price

https://twitter.com/x/status/1988856364609769532

 

[coercitiv]

Or maybe its supercheap which could be a winner in a cost-of-living crisis and high console prices.

My impression they're trying to hit a low price point and create the "entry-level" Steam box. It needs to show what's possible while also catering to a low-cost crowd that no other OEM would be willing to address. IMHO there's a big difference between the console and the controller / VR glasses, those seem to be midrange+ hardware.

Yes a lot depends on the price

Yeah, people can build something more powerful for $700, but that requires effort and know-how. There's a large audience out there who would rather buy the ready-made product, with software installed and years of support. This type of convenience has a price sticker too.

If I had to guess, I think the price will fall somewhere close to where the DYI crowd would rather build their own. In the case of the tweet you quoted, that would be $549. DOA for the tinkerer, good value for the living room gamer. I expect they're still working on the price, especially considering how volatile RAM and NAND prices are right now. I do think they'll try to aim low though, no other reason to cut so many corners in terms of hardware.

Perhaps these have the iGPU fused off because it was nerfed?

My guess is they bought the cheapest hardware they could from AMD, the one that barely fits the bill for a living room console. If the concept works, they can easily make the premium version with 9060 XT 16GB and better storage. Navi 44 seems perfect for this device.