SPECULATION: How do you think Bush would have handled Hitler? (with POLL)

[Braznor]

So how do you think Bush would have handled Hitler if he had been the Prez at that point of time?

And conversely how do you think FDR would handle Al Quaeda if he is the prez now?

And people who think this is a thread discussing the possibility of a Nazi invasion of the U.S. PLEASE STAY THE FVCK OUT OF THIS THREAD.

THIS THREAD IS JUST FOR THE DISCUSSION ABOUT PRESIDENTIAL STYLES OF HANDLING CONFLICTS.

And of course.....



























....no trolling

 

[Steeplerot]

Well, we can look at bush's grandpappy, we know how he handled the nazis.

What is the phrase? Caught red handed trading with the enemy.

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

Bush's daddy traded missles to fun places like iran and sold coke.

Now we have the son wandering around kissing saudi princes whos country blows up our buildings, from a small acorn grows a mighty oak..grove.

*Ahem*

 

[EatSpam]

After Germany declared war on us, Bush would have invaded France. Germany also would have won WWII, easily. Japan would own Hawaii. And the Bush family would be making money hand over fist, no matter what happened.

Quite a different world would exist with an incompetent boob running things.

 

[techs]

If Bush had followed the same actions he took in Iraq then first off Bush would have presented misleading info to get us into the war in Europe.
Then Bush would have sent far too few troops to do the job. Letting the Soviet Union overrun France.
Bush would have allowed the torture of suspected Nazis. So instead of Nazism dying out it would have been re-energized.

 

[phantom309]

He would have invaded Iraq.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: phantom309
He would have invaded Iraq.

QFT

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Well, we can look at bush's grandpappy, we know how he handled the nazis.

What is the phrase? Caught red handed trading with the enemy.

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

Bush's daddy traded missles to fun places like iran and sold coke.

Now we have the son wandering around kissing saudi princes whos country blows up our buildings, from a small acorn grows a mighty oak..grove.

*Ahem*

If you are going to drag his family into this you should note that George H. Bush fought in WWII. His Avenger was shot down over the Pacific while on a bombing run.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Where's the hide in texas while other people fight the war option?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: EatSpam
After Germany declared war on us, Bush would have invaded France. Germany also would have won WWII, easily. Japan would own Hawaii. And the Bush family would be making money hand over fist, no matter what happened.

Quite a different world would exist with an incompetent boob running things.

You do realize after Germany declared war on the United States our first major operation in the European theater was to invade Vichy France in North Africa right?

Way to insert the foot in your mouth

The rest of your response doesnt even warrant a response as it is so ridiculously silly and lacks reasoning.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Well, we can look at bush's grandpappy, we know how he handled the nazis.

What is the phrase? Caught red handed trading with the enemy.

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

Bush's daddy traded missles to fun places like iran and sold coke.

Now we have the son wandering around kissing saudi princes whos country blows up our buildings, from a small acorn grows a mighty oak..grove.

*Ahem*

If you are going to drag his family into this you should note that George H. Bush fought in WWII. His Avenger was shot down over the Pacific while on a bombing run.

Yeah, funny how mr. war on drugs had his ass saved by hemp, something he was against,well in public at least, he did have a little CIA coke empire in s america there for awhile.

 

[WHAMPOM]

George would have invited Adolf to give a speech on the grounds of the White House and held hands with him. Than order an invasion of Canada as his first act as an Axis power.



FDR would have sent a half million troops into Afghanistan after 911, then deposed the gov of Pakistan when Osama took refuge there. After the terrorist groups were in custody, FDR would impose sanctions on Saudi Arabia for supporting and funding them.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: EatSpam
After Germany declared war on us, Bush would have invaded France. Germany also would have won WWII, easily. Japan would own Hawaii. And the Bush family would be making money hand over fist, no matter what happened.

Quite a different world would exist with an incompetent boob running things.

You do realize after Germany declared war on the United States our first major operation in the European theater was to invade Vichy France in North Africa right?

Way to insert the foot in your mouth

The rest of your response doesnt even warrant a response as it is so ridiculously silly and lacks reasoning.

France was a poor choice of countries - I was thinking the whole Freedom Fries thing.

And of course my response was silly. Invading Iraq while neglecting Afghanistan was just plain stupid. I see no reason why Bush would have behaved any differently in WWII.

 

[mc00]

I prefer ANY president than bush or any future bush president...

 

[Martin]

He would have declared war on Germany, then he would have invaded Iraq.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Martin
He would have declared war on Germany, then he would have invaded Iraq.

No, you gotta get it right.


1. Declare war on Japan for their attack

2. Destroyed Japan, but only partially. They must be able to reorganize and still control most of their islands.

3. Aided Hitler using the CIA's precursor (Jews are not evangalicals, therefore not worthy of saving, they will not experience the Rapture)

4. Invaded Iraq to hunt for Japan's WMD plans

5. Buy half of Germany's defense companies, merge them with the Carlyle Group (sp?), then profit on them destroying everybody else.

Final step? Kill Hitler after he tries to kill Bush's dad, insert a puppet government, manipulate the army, then go attack France.

 

[Moonbeam]

How would Herr Dummkopf handle Herr Hitler........geez let me see........

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: EatSpam
After Germany declared war on us, Bush would have invaded France. Germany also would have won WWII, easily. Japan would own Hawaii. And the Bush family would be making money hand over fist, no matter what happened.

Quite a different world would exist with an incompetent boob running things.

You do realize after Germany declared war on the United States our first major operation in the European theater was to invade Vichy France in North Africa right?

Way to insert the foot in your mouth

The rest of your response doesnt even warrant a response as it is so ridiculously silly and lacks reasoning.

Attacking the Nazi's in N. Africa is not "invading France". You deserve an honorary post as a WH Press Secretary..

 

[CanOWorms]

I would hope that he would declare war against both German/Japan/Axis and the "Allied" countries (excluding the Soviets because that would be too much). Germany and Japan were occupied by US forces and their culture experienced a large shift (but it looks like they are somewhat reverting back). France, UK, etc. didn't change much after WW2 in their behavior.

 

[Lemon law]

GWB only knows how to attack the weak---if he were confronted by someone like Hitler---he would be pandering to him.---at least in MHO.

But as far as the rest of the world is concerned---GWB and Hitler are very much the same---it least in terms of the early parts of their Reins---counting on the rest of the world being
too wishy washy to stand up to them and their mighty military machine.---after all, Hitler was already in power for seven years or so before WW2 really started in earnest.

But even before the rest of the world unites against the USA, I am still counting on the American people wising up and limiting the remaining damage GWB does---because unlike GWB--at least Hitler knew how to find competent subordinates.--------an ability entirely and glaringly missing in GWB.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I love Monday morning quarterback what-if threads.

You cannot examine any historical event, or the leaders during that time period, in isolation. WW2 is arguably the greatest failure of diplomacy in modern history. Reparations against Germany after WW1 and European imperialism in the far East are what set the conditions for the rise of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

Similarly, the failure of the Allies to open a western front while the Soviets absorbed the brunt of Nazi aggression is partially to blame for Stalin's increased paranoia towards and animosity against the West, which set the conditions for the Cold War beyond the ideological conflict between communism and democracy. Arguably, Stalin was a greater tyrant then Hitler, yet he was our ally against a common enemy, and proved to be an even greater threat in the long term.

There is no question that WW2 was a just war...does FDR deserve all the credit? Hard to say. Would things have been different in the European theater without the likes of Eisenhower, Bradley and Patton providing visionary military leadership...or MacArthur in the Pacific? Similarly, we have Hitler to thanks for over extending his military and setting the conditions that ultimately enabled an Allied victory. Would we have broken the fighting spirit of the Japanese without the atomic bomb? Again, hard to say.

Let's look at Islamic fundamentalism now, again something that didnt emerge in isolation of other events. The fall of the Ottoman Turkish Empire, and the arbitrary carving up of the Middle East by Europe, is what set the social conditions that entrenched Islamic fundamentalism throughout the region. Cold War politics only further heightened Islamic distrust of the West, which gradually shifted to hatred over decades of failed foreign policy engagements.

Taking all of these things into consideration, Bush failed to react to the world around him, and has perhaps made things worse. Would things be different if FDR, Reagan, Bush I or Clinton were in office...or Al Gore for that matter...again, hard to say?

Would Afghanistan would be different if Patton was on the ground there...or what if Eisenhower was in charge of the Iraq mission?

We can play out such scenarios all day...but they typically don't make for very compelling discussions as there is no factual basis to them, ultimately limiting the debate to partisan jabbing.

 

[OutHouse]

I just finished reading Soldat, its a book written by a German officer who served from 1938 until he was surrendered at the fall of Berlin by the Russians.

Anyway he wrote something I found profound. The Nazis had mass propaganda about how bad communists were treating their people with mass starvation, no technology, false imprisonments...

Well the German people believed every word of it and this was what Hitler used to persuade the German people to Invade Russia. He told them they were liberators, there to free the Russian peasant from the iron heel of communists. However in the background the real reason the Nazi's invaded Russia was for the Lebensraum policy. But they brained washed the German people into something else entirely.

 

[Vic]

I don't think there would have been a lot of difference. Except for the popularity of their presidencies, which has more to do with economic cycle timing than anything else, the policies of FDR and GW are very similar.
Far, far, far too many modern Democrats seem to forget that the Democrats were the party of the Fundamentalist Christian KKK South back in the 1920s and 30s and before.
Who prosecuted the Scopes Trial? William Jennings Bryan, fundamentalist Christian, strong proponent of Prohibition, strong opponent of science and Darwinism, 3-time Democratic presidential candidate, and Secretary of State under Democratic President Woodrow Wilson.
Which party pushed the racist pseudoscientific policy of eugenics as a plank in their very own party platform? You got it.
There have been a multitude of books, from all ends of the political spectrum, detailing how FDR copied his New Deal plan from various economic aspects of fascism (the worldwide viewpoint of fascism being, at the time, pre-WWII, that Mussolini made Italy's trains run on time).

I am not partisan, and I tend to vote Democrat, but it's fascinating how little actual history people here seem to know (except of course for the Napoleonic view, which is that history is version agreed-upon after the fact).

 

[Red Dawn]

Hmmm interesting question. If Bush and his handlers had going to war with Germany and Japan on their agenda (like they did with Iraq) they would have fabricated something to convince the American Public to support it just like they did with Iraq. Actually it might have been better for US and the Allies as we probably would have entered the war earlier. Of course that would mean that Germany probably wouldn't have invaded the Soviet Union and they would have emerged from WWII as the dominant power.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Hmmm interesting question. If Bush and his handlers had going to war with Germany and Japan on their agenda (like they did with Iraq) they would have fabricated something to convince the American Public to support it just like they did with Iraq. Actually it might have been better for US and the Allies as we probably would have entered the war earlier. Of course that would mean that Germany probably wouldn't have invaded the Soviet Union and they would have emerged from WWII as the dominant power.

The Soviets were planning on invading the Germans in 42.
The Germans had a choice of taking them now in 41 or waiting a year and lose the initiative.

I would say we managed to occupy the Germans times in Africa and England in 40-41 the war wouldnt have lasted as long as it did and killed nearly as many people as it did. Soviets would have had the initiative and the manpower advantage in 42.

However it is possible Europe after the war would have looked very red.

The Pacific would have probably lasted much less as well as the Soviets would have crushed the Japanese in China and Manchuria + the Korean Peninsula.

Without Nuclear weapons to deter the Soviets the world could have looked very much different.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

Horrible presidents that I would prefer over Bush Jr.:

1.) His dad
2.) Reagan
3.) Nixon
4.) Pretty much any other really, really crappy president from our nation's history.