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Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello


I haven't heard the 2100s at all to compare, but it looks like the satellites on those are just a couple tweeters while the sub takes care of much of the midrange and bass. You want to keep as much of the sound in the satellites as possible (above around 80hz to 100hz). Below that point, it's very hard to tell where the sound is coming from which is why dedicated subs work so well.

Oh wow, I didn't scroll down before on the pdf files... it looks like they have a lot of the info I've been talking about already there.

Yeah, a system based off a 6.5" sub, 3" midranges, and a couple tweeters... wait... uhhh... micro fullrange drivers.... seems like a better configuraiton that just some 4"-ers and the micros.
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I don't understand what you mean. so which one is beter, the 2100 or 4121? The alteclansings sound better than the logitechs right?
 
Originally posted by: dsj
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello


I haven't heard the 2100s at all to compare, but it looks like the satellites on those are just a couple tweeters while the sub takes care of much of the midrange and bass. You want to keep as much of the sound in the satellites as possible (above around 80hz to 100hz). Below that point, it's very hard to tell where the sound is coming from which is why dedicated subs work so well.

Oh wow, I didn't scroll down before on the pdf files... it looks like they have a lot of the info I've been talking about already there.

Yeah, a system based off a 6.5" sub, 3" midranges, and a couple tweeters... wait... uhhh... micro fullrange drivers.... seems like a better configuraiton that just some 4"-ers and the micros.
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I don't understand what you mean. so which one is beter, the 2100 or 4121? The alteclansings sound better than the logitechs right?
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Well, I can't say for sure what sounds better, but I meant to say that the configuration of the 4121s seems more capable, so if I was just going off that, I'd pick the 4121s.

As for vs the Logitechs, yeah, I think they will sound cleaner and less boomy.
 
If you cannot place the speakers around you like in the Dolby picture, or similar, do not bother with 5.1 . If you cant set it up properly, it will just not give you an immersive sound environment.

How picky are your ears?

Klipsch Ultra 5.1 are 350$. They are the best computer oriented speakers I have heard.
You would get these only if you had 350$ to spend, and speaker stands for the surrounds, or bookshelves are similar surrounding you that you could put the rears onto.

Klipsch Promedia 2.1 is perfect for when you cannot deal with putting speakers around you. These are roughly 150$ last I looked, sometimes 125$

Lastly, you cannot rely on other peoples ears. Sound is something that is very subjective to each individual. We can help you narrow down and weed out the crap choices, but beyond that, its all you.
 
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: dsj
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello


I haven't heard the 2100s at all to compare, but it looks like the satellites on those are just a couple tweeters while the sub takes care of much of the midrange and bass. You want to keep as much of the sound in the satellites as possible (above around 80hz to 100hz). Below that point, it's very hard to tell where the sound is coming from which is why dedicated subs work so well.

Oh wow, I didn't scroll down before on the pdf files... it looks like they have a lot of the info I've been talking about already there.

Yeah, a system based off a 6.5" sub, 3" midranges, and a couple tweeters... wait... uhhh... micro fullrange drivers.... seems like a better configuraiton that just some 4"-ers and the micros.
Click to expand...


I don't understand what you mean. so which one is beter, the 2100 or 4121? The alteclansings sound better than the logitechs right?
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Well, I can't say for sure what sounds better, but I meant to say that the configuration of the 4121s seems more capable, so if I was just going off that, I'd pick the 4121s.

As for vs the Logitechs, yeah, I think they will sound cleaner and less boomy.
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but doesn't the 4121 speakers only go up to 15khz and the 2100 go up to 20khz? and timat, does your 125 dollar klipsch speaker sets include the subwoofer? And future shop and the computer stores in canada don't seem to carry that brand so often.
 
what about labtec speakers? a five speaker set that goes from 20 hz to 48 khz is only 40 dollars.
 
Do speakers break? the store only offers 30 day exchange policy. What's the chance of a speaker working at first then dying after 30 days?
 
Originally posted by: dsj
Do speakers break? the store only offers 30 day exchange policy. What's the chance of a speaker working at first then dying after 30 days?
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The manufacturer may offer a warranty period higher than 30 days.
 
But then I have to pay for the shipping to ship to the manufacturer which would cost 50 dollars. So If I buy the instore product service warranty then they will exchange the speaker for me in the store within 3 years for 25 dollars canadian. Is it worth it?
 
Originally posted by: dsj
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: dsj
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello


I haven't heard the 2100s at all to compare, but it looks like the satellites on those are just a couple tweeters while the sub takes care of much of the midrange and bass. You want to keep as much of the sound in the satellites as possible (above around 80hz to 100hz). Below that point, it's very hard to tell where the sound is coming from which is why dedicated subs work so well.

Oh wow, I didn't scroll down before on the pdf files... it looks like they have a lot of the info I've been talking about already there.

Yeah, a system based off a 6.5" sub, 3" midranges, and a couple tweeters... wait... uhhh... micro fullrange drivers.... seems like a better configuraiton that just some 4"-ers and the micros.
Click to expand...


I don't understand what you mean. so which one is beter, the 2100 or 4121? The alteclansings sound better than the logitechs right?
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Well, I can't say for sure what sounds better, but I meant to say that the configuration of the 4121s seems more capable, so if I was just going off that, I'd pick the 4121s.

As for vs the Logitechs, yeah, I think they will sound cleaner and less boomy.
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but doesn't the 4121 speakers only go up to 15khz and the 2100 go up to 20khz? and timat, does your 125 dollar klipsch speaker sets include the subwoofer? And future shop and the computer stores in canada don't seem to carry that brand so often.
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I wouldn't worry too much about 15khz vs 20khz, especially if you say you don't like really high stuff.

The promedias timat is talking about is this set that includes the sub.

You know, if you're in canada you might want to think about getting some real HT speakers and a cheap receiver. I've heard that some speakers are cheaper in Canada. You might be able to get a decent 2.0 stereo set going with a refub receiver or something off ebay to power them.

It's really hard to get decent bass from bookshelf speakers though. You'd probably have to invest in something like the $125 sub from partsexpress to get decent lows.
 
Originally posted by: dsj
what about labtec speakers? a five speaker set that goes from 20 hz to 48 khz is only 40 dollars.
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Let me clairify what I said about these frequency ranges.... there is no computer speaker set that I know of that's going to get down to 20hz. I spend $430 on a sub to get decent output that low and I got just about the cheapest sub you can get that will go that low.

Cabinet volume is important for subwoofers. My subwoofer weighs about 60 pounds and is 15 ½" wide x 19" high x 21 ½" deep.

When I was talking about frequency ranges, I was answering your original question: "What defines a good speaker". I didn't mean for you to base your computer speaker decision on whatever crap the manufacturer says their speakers do. Go through newegg and see how many speakers say they play up to 20khz. They're not really all doing it.

Audio manufacturers are notorious for giving false specs. For example, this spreadsheet shows manufacturer claimed specs for a bunch or receivers and the actual tested results of the products. The vast majority failed to live up to their ratings with several doing remarkably crappy.

If you go into an electronics store, a ton of receivers will say they are rated at "100 watts per channel", but the vast majority will not really be putting out that much power.

I'm using this to illustrate that you can't go on these manufacturer specs. If you had some site that had independent tests of the frequency ranges of all these specs, I'd say it would be a great resource to help you guide your purchase, but don't go off these numbers they're giving you.

I think labtec has been bought by logitech. I'd get logitech over labtec speakers.
 
Originally posted by: dsj
Do speakers break? the store only offers 30 day exchange policy. What's the chance of a speaker working at first then dying after 30 days?
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Speakers are more prone to breaking when you have the volume up really loud. Breaking can range from blowing a fuse in the sub to melting the sub's voice coil to driving the amp to hard and having it clip and take out the satellites (tweeters are the first to go for this).
 
Originally posted by: dsj
But then I have to pay for the shipping to ship to the manufacturer which would cost 50 dollars. So If I buy the instore product service warranty then they will exchange the speaker for me in the store within 3 years for 25 dollars canadian. Is it worth it?
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You may not have to pay for shipping. I know for example that if my Logitech z-560s had broken, Logitech just makes you cut off the power cord from the sub and you send that to them. They send you a new set once they receive that.
 
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: dsj
what about labtec speakers? a five speaker set that goes from 20 hz to 48 khz is only 40 dollars.
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Let me clairify what I said about these frequency ranges.... there is no computer speaker set that I know of that's going to get down to 20hz. I spend $430 on a sub to get decent output that low and I got just about the cheapest sub you can get that will go that low.

Cabinet volume is important for subwoofers. My subwoofer weighs about 60 pounds and is 15 ½" wide x 19" high x 21 ½" deep.

When I was talking about frequency ranges, I was answering your original question: "What defines a good speaker". I didn't mean for you to base your computer speaker decision on whatever crap the manufacturer says their speakers do. Go through newegg and see how many speakers say they play up to 20khz. They're not really all doing it.

Audio manufacturers are notorious for giving false specs. For example, this spreadsheet shows manufacturer claimed specs for a bunch or receivers and the actual tested results of the products. The vast majority failed to live up to their ratings with several doing remarkably crappy.

If you go into an electronics store, a ton of receivers will say they are rated at "100 watts per channel", but the vast majority will not really be putting out that much power.

I'm using this to illustrate that you can't go on these manufacturer specs. If you had some site that had independent tests of the frequency ranges of all these specs, I'd say it would be a great resource to help you guide your purchase, but don't go off these numbers they're giving you.

I think labtec has been bought by logitech. I'd get logitech over labtec speakers.
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$430 dollars for a SUB? What kind you got? I might consider getting it if you recomend it.
 
Originally posted by: thekillerjks
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: dsj
what about labtec speakers? a five speaker set that goes from 20 hz to 48 khz is only 40 dollars.
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Let me clairify what I said about these frequency ranges.... there is no computer speaker set that I know of that's going to get down to 20hz. I spend $430 on a sub to get decent output that low and I got just about the cheapest sub you can get that will go that low.

Cabinet volume is important for subwoofers. My subwoofer weighs about 60 pounds and is 15 ½" wide x 19" high x 21 ½" deep.

When I was talking about frequency ranges, I was answering your original question: "What defines a good speaker". I didn't mean for you to base your computer speaker decision on whatever crap the manufacturer says their speakers do. Go through newegg and see how many speakers say they play up to 20khz. They're not really all doing it.

Audio manufacturers are notorious for giving false specs. For example, this spreadsheet shows manufacturer claimed specs for a bunch or receivers and the actual tested results of the products. The vast majority failed to live up to their ratings with several doing remarkably crappy.

If you go into an electronics store, a ton of receivers will say they are rated at "100 watts per channel", but the vast majority will not really be putting out that much power.

I'm using this to illustrate that you can't go on these manufacturer specs. If you had some site that had independent tests of the frequency ranges of all these specs, I'd say it would be a great resource to help you guide your purchase, but don't go off these numbers they're giving you.

I think labtec has been bought by logitech. I'd get logitech over labtec speakers.
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$430 dollars for a SUB? What kind you got? I might consider getting it if you recomend it.
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It's made by SVS. I got their "budget model", which is the PB-10 ISD. SVS is one of the most respected sub manufacturers online. If you're in the market for a $400 to $500 sub, I'd suggest also researching the HSU STF-2 or VTF-2 MKII.

I did a lot of research and those seemed like the best options in the pricerange.

Quick generalization: The SVS is great for Hometheater and good for music. The HSU is pretty good for Hometheater and great for music.

I actually got the SVS on pre-order so it was $399 + shipping when I ordered it.

 
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: dsj
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/prodde...FABEB9&sku_id=0665000FS10034139&catid=

If you look at this one for inputs it says no. Does that mean it can recieve 0 channels?
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It's just a typo. It's a 2.1 set so you feed it 2 channels.

The lowest input for a speaker would be 1 for mono.
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2 channels? what about the subwoffer? And I went to future shop to hear their speakers out and only 3 of them works because the other ones aren't properly connected to their pc. the 3 that worked are the altec vs4121, vs2221 and a logitech surround sound set that costs 300 dollars. The 4121 sounded better than the 2221 with clear and more elegant sounds. the logitech one sounded like if the sound was coming from inside a closed room and I'm listening on the other side of the walls. So so far I like the 4121 the best. And there's this one that's 80 dollars by cyber acustics that wasn't powered and plugged. So should I just go for the 4121 and the warranty for 25 dollars?
 
There's also this 2.1 set that's made by bose but didn't have a price tag on it. but It looked like of ugly and the satellite speakers are very very small.
 
and does my soundcard have all of the features like multi channels? I'm getting a new motherboard and cpu early next month.
 
and I noticed that the netting on the 4121 is made of metal. some of the other ones are made of cloth. Does that matter? And the subwoffer on the 4121 is metal instead of wood.
 
what about labtec speakers? a five speaker set that goes from 20 hz to 48 khz is only 40 dollars.
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lol🙂 at what volume is the question🙂 all speakers pretty much can go the whole range. fact that its pretty much inaudible in many parts for cheap speakers doesn't stop the marketing people. bs specs rampant in speakers.
 
I got the 4121 and it says subwoofer not megnitically shielded and I placed it beside my modem and router. Is it still ok? And the subwoofer always shakes so loud, is it supposed to be that way? And there's a knob for the bass and one for the treble, how do I know what that origional piece of music was supposed to sound like when turning those knobs? I don't know how much bass was intended by the composer or orchestra.
 
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