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QuitBanningMe

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
a review i agree with completely. the movie is horrible.


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I can't say I read all of it but the review just seems to attack Flor's ideaology which is actually the norm at least among Mexican immigrants I've seen.

To say it is bad parenting is probably true but to bash the movie based on that is just :confused:
 

JoeKing

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
a review i agree with completely. the movie is horrible.

posted because linking makes you jump through hoops to get a pass and such, you are free to find it yourself at salon.com

"Spanglish"
Want to know why Bush won? Watch James L. Brooks' smug message drama, which tries to skewer clueless liberal do-gooders but only succeeds in impaling itself. Editor's note: This review reveals key elements of the film's plot.

- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Charles Taylor

I can't trust a critic (can we trust any at all?) that gave a negative to Sideways, Memento, Spider-Man 2, Traffic ect.

while giving Monkeybone a positive.

It's like th reviewer completly forgot the beginning of the movie. How the entire context of the film is setup. It's Flor's daughter, Cristina's story, her college application to some Ivy League school (yale? harvard?). Notice at the very beginning we hear the voice over of some random prospective applicant saying something along the lines of "Since I was president of my class while holding a 4.2 gpa avg..." to which the reader immediatly rejects the application. Then we see her pick up Cristina's story and is drawn in, intrigued by something out of the "norm" And continues reading...

This is one of the few times I don't mind a voice over. Normally I think it's a cheap way to get a story someplace quickly without much time developing. But here the voice over is the story.

Flor's sacrafice at the end was to leave a comfy job, go back to working two jobs, be worried about money, because she didn't want her daughter to end up... like.... wait for it.... wait for it.... Deb. Instead we see that by not taking the easy way out Christina's not only a "better" person from it seemingly being a shoe into the college her application was sent to, but she says she's learned so much she knows she can succeed even if she is not accepted.


And Tea Leoni was hot in that movie! Oblivious and neurotic :thumbsup:
 

PricklyPete

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Sep 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
a review i agree with completely. the movie is horrible.

posted because linking makes you jump through hoops to get a pass and such, you are free to find it yourself at salon.com

"Spanglish"
Want to know why Bush won? Watch James L. Brooks' smug message drama, which tries to skewer clueless liberal do-gooders but only succeeds in impaling itself. Editor's note: This review reveals key elements of the film's plot.

- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Charles Taylor

I can't trust a critic (can we trust any at all?) that gave a negative to Sideways, Memento, Spider-Man 2, Traffic ect.

while giving Monkeybone a positive.

It's like th reviewer completly forgot the beginning of the movie. How the entire context of the film is setup. It's Flor's daughter, Cristina's story, her college application to some Ivy League school (yale? harvard?). Notice at the very beginning we hear the voice over of some random prospective applicant saying something along the lines of "Since I was president of my class while holding a 4.2 gpa avg..." to which the reader immediatly rejects the application. Then we see her pick up Cristina's story and is drawn in, intrigued by something out of the "norm" And continues reading...

This is one of the few times I don't mind a voice over. Normally I think it's a cheap way to get a story someplace quickly without much time developing. But here the voice over is the story.

Flor's sacrafice at the end was to leave a comfy job, go back to working two jobs, be worried about money, because she didn't want her daughter to end up... like.... wait for it.... wait for it.... Deb. Instead we see that by not taking the easy way out Christina's not only a "better" person from it seemingly being a shoe into the college her application was sent to, but she says she's learned so much she knows she can succeed even if she is not accepted.


And Tea Leoni was hot in that movie! Oblivious and neurotic :thumbsup:

I couldn't agree with you more. I read that whole review and it was absolutely rubbish. That critic has way to narrow of a focus on what "success" means in life. I am around way to many neurotic "successful white people" who are unbelievably selfish and self-absorbed. I hate to be labeled with them. I think this movie makes a great point of showing that there are more important things to focus on in life than to sacrifice it all just for money or the best education.

 

0roo0roo

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Sep 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
a review i agree with completely. the movie is horrible.


.

I can't say I read all of it but the review just seems to attack Flor's ideaology which is actually the norm at least among Mexican immigrants I've seen.

To say it is bad parenting is probably true but to bash the movie based on that is just :confused:


read the rest i guess. its not just about bad parenting, but simply a bad script based on delusional ideas. "Offensive because it turns liberal self-abasement into self-congratulation." so its not exactly about her parenting.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spanglish/ for more horror

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/17/movie...e619&ei=5083&partner=Rotten%20Tomatoes
Ms. Leoni hurtles through her performance with crisp timing and impressive resolve, which makes Mr. Brooks's sadistic betrayals of her seem all the more cruel. The demonization of Deborah, though, is no lapse or accident; it is crucial to the self-pitying, self-serving politics of "Spanglish," a film whose pious liberalism is less than skin deep. It is a movie that simultaneously idealizes motherhood and demonizes mothers, in a way that smacks both of vengeful antifeminism and racist condescension.


and on and on... i really can't see why anyone would think tea leoni was good in this film. looked horrible. was made to look horrible. was made to play an unrealistic whiny one dimensional b*tch you just want to strangle and kill.
 

JoeKing

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Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
a review i agree with completely. the movie is horrible.


.

I can't say I read all of it but the review just seems to attack Flor's ideaology which is actually the norm at least among Mexican immigrants I've seen.

To say it is bad parenting is probably true but to bash the movie based on that is just :confused:


read the rest i guess. its not just about bad parenting, but simply a bad script based on delusional ideas. "Offensive because it turns liberal self-abasement into self-congratulation." so its not exactly about her parenting.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spanglish/ for more horror

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/17/movie...e619&ei=5083&partner=Rotten%20Tomatoes
Ms. Leoni hurtles through her performance with crisp timing and impressive resolve, which makes Mr. Brooks's sadistic betrayals of her seem all the more cruel. The demonization of Deborah, though, is no lapse or accident; it is crucial to the self-pitying, self-serving politics of "Spanglish," a film whose pious liberalism is less than skin deep. It is a movie that simultaneously idealizes motherhood and demonizes mothers, in a way that smacks both of vengeful antifeminism and racist condescension.


and on and on... i really can't see why anyone would think tea leoni was good in this film. looked horrible. was made to look horrible. was made to play an unrealistic whiny one dimensional b*tch you just want to strangle and kill.

that wasn't the goal? :confused:

I've met a few soccer moms that were almost as bad as she was.
 

DT4K

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Jan 21, 2002
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It started out fairly entertaining with a very different sense of humor that I enjoyed a lot. But then it got progressively worse. By the end, I thought it was a terrible movie.