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Spain hit by 12 bombs in the last 3 days
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DashRiprock
Member
These recent attacks have nothing to do with appeasing terrorists or Iraq, they're from separatists Basques.
ReiAyanami
Diamond Member
You are the same folk that associates Iraq with 9/11. the true reason why the previous right wing government was thrown out was because they LIED to the people and tried to cover things up. the people revolted and threw out the LYING LIARS. too bad it doesn't work the same way here (this thing called democcracy). too bad it was interpreted the wrong way
ETA has been around for decades and decades, next thing you know, you'll be saying FARC is an Al Qaeda offshoot
The terrorists likely did this for two reasons:
1. To undermine confidence in the gov't, because your argument is going to be on everyone's lips.
2. To provoke violent retribution by the government (who will by trying to shake the public's view of them as appeasers), and thus shore up their own support among the Basque people.
1. To undermine confidence in the gov't, because your argument is going to be on everyone's lips.
2. To provoke violent retribution by the government (who will by trying to shake the public's view of them as appeasers), and thus shore up their own support among the Basque people.
misle
Diamond Member
You maybe correct about the previous administration, but I was under the impression that they were up in the polls before the Train attacks. And due to those attacks and threats of more attacks, the Spainish population voted for the Anti-Iraq administration.
I have not mentioned anything about Al Qaeda. I have not even implied they are related. I am saying that if you let one terrorist group walk all over you, you better be ready for more, because a line is forming.
As other people have already pointed out. This has nothing to do with Iraq or the war on terror (At least not from a U.S point of view), this is a local issue. Basques have been doing this for ages now. And have been resorting to what some would call terrorist attacks, since the late 1960s, if I remember correctly. And they will most likely keep doing it untill they gain the automony/independence some of them seek. Granted, blowing sh!t up is a piss poor way of handling the issue, but hey, some of them seem to think it's a good idea.
misle
Diamond Member
Thank you. I pointed that out as well. Let me attempt to explain better, since some of you haven't figured it out:
Train bombings supposedly by Al Qaeda caused an administration change and caused Spain to pull out of Iraq. This means that this instance of Terrorism worked. -> Blow sh!t up, get what you want.
Now, another terrorist group (not related to Iraq or Al Qaeda) is doing the same fvcking thing! They are also expecting to get what they want because Spain appeased one terrorist group, so why not them as well?
Got it? Good.
Damn, didn't think it would be that freaking hard to figure out.
judasmachine
Diamond Member
the seperatists have been attacking them since long before the whole iraq thing.
Perhaps you should read up a bit about the Basques, this blowing things up thing and generally pissing the Spanish government off, isn't new. Even if the Iraq war hadn't happend and even if Al Qaeda hadn't attacked the U.S. Spain would still have these people to deal with. What Al Qaeda did is completely irrelivant to this issue of the Basques. Their problem with the Basques predates the whole Al Qaeda thing.
misle
Diamond Member
Okay, I understand your point. I guess that I'm assuming that the Basques have not attacked in this manner before, i.e.: bombing transit related locations (gas stations) during rush hour, as they doing now.
I'm saying that Al Qaeda bombed trains, killing innocent people, and they got what they wanted. Now Basques are bombing gas stations during rush hour, killing & wounding innocent people. They might think that if they step up there attacks to the levels of Al Qaeda, they will get what they want.
I am not aware of the severity of their previous attacks, so I might be off base.
Mean MrMustard
Diamond Member
OMFG!
How many times do we have to go over this!
They didn't pull out to 'appease' the terrorists. They pulled out because they shouldn't have been there in the first place.
BEFORE THE WAR: The people of Spain were wholeheartedly against invading Iraq. The gov't went in anyway.
DURING THE WAR: The people of Spain were wholeheartedly against invading Iraq. They had elections and bitch-slapped the then-current gov't officials for NOT LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE.
The newly elected officials pulled out as they said they would. This was of course mandated by the people overwhelmingly.
Do you notice a trend?
There is and was no appeasement in any sense, by the people of Spain. It would have only been appeasement if they were for the war in the first place and then changed their minds FOR FEAR they would be retaliated against.
That's possible, who knows. Just wanted to make sure you knew that one problem (The Basques) isn't necessarily connected to the other problem (Al Qaeda).
Too be honest, it's been a long time since I read up on the Basques. But it wouldn't surprise me if the severity has increased.
Who the hell is al quaeda? lmao. Is there even such a thing? or just another coined words used to suit their mass propagandas for a real cover up? there is always someone pointing their finger at someone else just so we don't get suspicious, and lose our rights to questions them as well.
misle
Diamond Member
Well, you are in Indiana, which is a little closer to Spain than Missouri, so I guess you would know about the sentiment in Spain better, right? 😛
I'm basing my argument on stories like this:
"Among the few that did well were Spain's Socialists, who recently withdrew troops from Iraq after a backlash over a March 11 terrorist attack."
As reported by CNN.
And:
"The government was swept from power amid public disenchantment with its policy on Iraq and its conduct following the Madrid train bombings, in which 200 people were killed and 1,400 injured."
As reported by the UK's Telegraph
They could be wrong, but they are saying the reason the Socialists party won was because of the bombings...
Hrm...Now that I think about it. Most of the past attacks I remember were against military and political targets.
But as for causing the death of innocent people. If you look back far enough, both sides have blood on their hands. Things like this are never simple, there's always a history behind these things. People don't just start blowing things up without a reason (Good or bad). Also, it's become far to easy for the side in power to label the other side 'terrorists'. In todays world, the word 'terrorist' is just the modern day version(at least the way it's being used) of 'heretic', in my opinion anyway...
Hayabusa Rider
Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
The old party was not kicked out of fear regarding terrorists, but out of anger for doing something that the people of Spain did not want. If they were afraid of terrorists, they would have withdrawn from Afghanistan at the same time. You may recall they did the opposite, and troops will still remain that are attached to the UN after December. You are projecting onto the Spanish who have had well documented polls showing what they thought of Iraqi involvment before the war. It seems you are confusing correlation with causation.
Mean MrMustard
Diamond Member
Now, you're getting the picture.😀
You have to be kidding if you didn't know or didn't think the Spanish people were overwhelmingly against this war?!
Of course, the socialist won. They said they would pull out of Iraq. That's what people wanted in the first place.
Appeasement requires the change of mind to avoid trouble. The Spanish (the people) have been very consistent.
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