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Spain derails plot for another bombing in Madrid

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6282532/

MADRID, Spain - The suspected leader of a militant Muslim cell plotted to deal Spain the ?biggest blow of its history? ? a suicide truck bomb laden with half a ton of explosives aimed at killing the country?s top judges investigating Islamic terror and destroying their case files, officials said Wednesday.

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I thought withdrawing from Iraq would have appeased the Islamifascists somewhat?

What's going on with this world lately? You can't even appease a terrorist anymore. ;)
 

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6282532/

MADRID, Spain - The suspected leader of a militant Muslim cell plotted to deal Spain the ?biggest blow of its history? ? a suicide truck bomb laden with half a ton of explosives aimed at killing the country?s top judges investigating Islamic terror and destroying their case files, officials said Wednesday.

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I thought withdrawing from Iraq was supposed to get Spain a pass from the Islamifascists?

What's going on with this world lately? You can't even trust a terrorist anymore. ;)

You confused Iraq with Afghanistan. Don?t feel bad though, it?s a common mistake amongst Americans. ;)

Madrid bombing was a retaliation for Spain?s involvement in Afghanistan as indicated by al-Qaida?s video tape found shortly after the bombing. Spain?s new government remained committed to fighting terrorism, hence the abiding threats.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Siwy
You confused Iraq with Afghanistan. Don?t feel bad though, it?s a common mistake amongst Americans. ;)

Madrid bombing was a retaliation for Spain?s involvement in Afghanistan as indicated by al-Qaida?s video tape found shortly after the bombing. Spain?s new government remained committed to fight terrorism, hence the abiding threats.

Well said. :thumbsup:

I would add that Spain never appeased terrorists. They had been against the Iraq fiasco the whole time. They kicked their government out because it attempted to manipulate them a la Bush junta.
 

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Darn those stupid Spaniards for pulling their troops out from Iraq, obviously they would not have this terrarist problem if they had sent their entire army to Iraq :confused:
 

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Darn those stupid Spaniards for pulling their troops out from Iraq, obviously they would not have this terrarist problem if they had sent their entire army to Iraq


Yeah, the OP doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me either.
 

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We lied about WMDs, the Spanish voters replaced their elected officials for blindly following. It's called democracy, we should try it here some time.
 

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You confused Iraq with Afghanistan. Don?t feel bad though, it?s a common mistake amongst Americans.

Madrid bombing was a retaliation for Spain?s involvement in Afghanistan as indicated by al-Qaida?s video tape found shortly after the bombing. Spain?s new government remained committed to fighting terrorism, hence the abiding threats.

That must be why Spain left Iraq?

So what happens when they ask you to leave Spain?
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Genx87
So what happens when they ask you to leave Spain?

The same thing that happens when you ask them to stop fighting terrorism. Hint: they are still fighting terrrorism.
 

Genx87

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When the Spaniards high tailed it out of Iraq. Nothing sent more chills down the backs of the terrorists.
 

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Originally posted by: Todd33
We lied about WMDs, the Spanish voters replaced their elected officials for blindly following. It's called democracy, we should try it here some time.

I agree, the crack for votes system that we have now doesn't seem to be working well for the dems.
 

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Todd33
We lied about WMDs, the Spanish voters replaced their elected officials for blindly following. It's called democracy, we should try it here some time.

I agree, the crack for votes system that we have now doesn't seem to be working well for the dems.

What do you do read some little story and then use it as the basis for every reply to every thread? Get off the crack thing, it's old and not relevant.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Todd33
We lied about WMDs, the Spanish voters replaced their elected officials for blindly following. It's called democracy, we should try it here some time.

I agree, the crack for votes system that we have now doesn't seem to be working well for the dems.

What do you do read some little story and then use it as the basis for every reply to every thread? Get off the crack thing, it's old and not relevant.

He didn't get the reputation as one of P&N's biggest trolls by posting gems, that's for sure. ;)
 
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Originally posted by: Siwy
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6282532/

MADRID, Spain - The suspected leader of a militant Muslim cell plotted to deal Spain the ?biggest blow of its history? ? a suicide truck bomb laden with half a ton of explosives aimed at killing the country?s top judges investigating Islamic terror and destroying their case files, officials said Wednesday.

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I thought withdrawing from Iraq was supposed to get Spain a pass from the Islamifascists?

What's going on with this world lately? You can't even trust a terrorist anymore. ;)

You confused Iraq with Afghanistan. Don?t feel bad though, it?s a common mistake amongst Americans. ;)

Madrid bombing was a retaliation for Spain?s involvement in Afghanistan as indicated by al-Qaida?s video tape found shortly after the bombing. Spain?s new government remained committed to fighting terrorism, hence the abiding threats.
Are you speaking of this tape (which was actually an audio tape, not a video tape)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...1,_2004_Madrid_attacks

Al-Qaida suspicions
Immediately following the attacks, commentators began to suggest that al-Qaida, and not ETA, could have been responsible. Arnaldo Otegui, leader of Batasuna, said he could not believe the attacks were the work of ETA, "even as a hypothesis" and suggested that the "Arab resistance" was the most probable perpetrator. On the evening of 11 March, Acebes told a news conference that a van, stolen on February 28 and containing several detonators and an Arabic-language cassette tape with Koranic verses, had been found in the town of Alcalá de Henares, where three of the four bombed trains originated and all four stopped. However, the tape was commercially available and contained no material specific to the attacks; thus it could have been planted to confuse the investigators.

Al-Qaida had certainly shown an interest in Spain in the period preceding the attacks. In November 2001, Spanish authorities arrested eight men suspected of being al-Qaida operatives, one of whom reportedly had past links with Basque ETA. Osama bin Laden issued a public threat in October 2003 to carry out suicide bombings against any countries joining the US-led invasion of Iraq: "We reserve the right to retaliate at the appropriate time and place against all countries involved, especially Britain, Spain, Australia, Poland, Japan and Italy." At the time, Spain had some 1,300 soldiers stationed on Iraqi soil. In addition, bin Laden had spoken earlier of wishing to return the southern Spanish region of Andalusia to Muslim control, reversing the Reconquista of 1492.

Precedent
Information made public on 12 March by the Norwegian Defence Research Establishment (FFI) revealed that intelligence agencies had known for two months that a terrorist attack was being planned against a country entering into an election period. However, they mistakenly believed that country to be Iraq. The supporting documents, written in Arabic, belonged to a senior al-Qaida leader, Yusuf al-Airi, and had been obtained by the FFI over the Internet, after his death in May 2003.

According to the FFI Muslim fundamentalism expert Thomas Hegghammer, the documents described in detail the tactics and strategies that were to be employed. The tactic was to break the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq by performing successive strikes on the co-operating member states, starting with the one which would most easily lose its resolve to keep its troops stationed in Iraq, and then following on with the rest. The Iraq war was very unpopular in Spain, and so this would make a likely first target.

Now what was it were you saying about Americans? If I get no response from you, I'll understand completely. ;)
 
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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Todd33
We lied about WMDs, the Spanish voters replaced their elected officials for blindly following. It's called democracy, we should try it here some time.

I agree, the crack for votes system that we have now doesn't seem to be working well for the dems.

What do you do read some little story and then use it as the basis for every reply to every thread? Get off the crack thing, it's old and not relevant.

He didn't get the reputation as one of P&N's biggest trolls by posting gems, that's for sure. ;)
Typical content-free post by the usual suspects. Returning to the topic at hand.
 

Tom

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There was a video tape found. I don't know if this is the one Siwy meant or not.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3613775.stm#

edit- here is another link..

http://www.rantburg.com/poparticle.asp?HC=&ID=30482


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"After determining that the situation has not changed and that your new government launched its mandate by a crackdown against Muslims and the dispatching of additional troops to Afghanistan, the Ansar al-Qaeda and death brigades have decided to follow the path of Jihad and resistance," the suspects said in their recorded video message, a transcript of which was released by the ministry.

I have not as yet found a complete transcript or the video itself.

 
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Originally posted by: Tom
There was a video tape found. I don't know if this is the one Siwy meant or not.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3613775.stm#

Yes, there was one found. It was never authenticated and was supposedly from the "leader" of Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades, a man who EU intelligence had never even heard of. Additionally, the video tape never mentions Afghanistan. A 5-page statement subsequently mailed to London does mention Afghanistan, but it also mentions Iraq, Palestine, and Kashmir.
 

Tom

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I added some stuff to my original post you should look at if you wish.


"a man who EU intelligence had never even heard of. "

uh, maybe that's why they succeeded ?
 
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Originally posted by: Tom
There was a video tape found. I don't know if this is the one Siwy meant or not.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3613775.stm#

edit- here is another link..

http://www.rantburg.com/poparticle.asp?HC=&ID=30482


quote-
"After determining that the situation has not changed and that your new government launched its mandate by a crackdown against Muslims and the dispatching of additional troops to Afghanistan, the Ansar al-Qaeda and death brigades have decided to follow the path of Jihad and resistance," the suspects said in their recorded video message, a transcript of which was released by the ministry.

I have not as yet found a complete transcript or the video itself.

From your own link:

The video showed three armed, masked men, one of whom read out a statement containing the ultimatum in the name of "the Al Mufti and Ansar al-Qaeda brigades". The videotape, demanding the "immediate" withdrawal of Spanish troops from "Muslim lands"-a reference to the US-led forces in Iraq and Afghanistan-was found in the ruins of the apartment where the seven Islamic militants committed collective suicide. According to the transcript, the Islamists gave the Spanish government a one-week ultimatum to withdraw its troops from "Muslim bases immediately and unconditionally" or face Jihad.
This is actually a different tape from the one I mentioned previously and is more likely to be authentic.
 

Tom

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the part you bolded is not a quote, it's an interpretation. The other one which only says "Afghanistan" is reportedly a quote.


There is an enormous difference between an actual transcript, and an interpretation, where a 3rd party possibly decided that "Muslim lands" means what they want it to mean to support their case.
 
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Originally posted by: Tom
the part you bolded is not a quote, it's an interpretation. The other one which only says Afghanistan is reportedly a quote.
"Muslim lands" is in quotes.

BTW, maybe you should tell the Spanish government they are stupid and can't read, as they withdrew troops from Iraq after the Madrid bombing but not Afghanistan. They still have troops there.

 

Tom

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Tom
the part you bolded is not a quote, it's an interpretation. The other one which only says Afghanistan is reportedly a quote.
"Muslim lands" is in quotes.

BTW, maybe you should tell the Spanish government they are stupid and can't read, as they withdrew troops from Iraq after the Madrid bombing but not Afghanistan. They still have troops there.


You assume they were responding to the terrorists, which I do not believe they were. Hence I do not call them stupid.


edit- and see what I added to previous message about "muslim lands"