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The benefits of knowing whats beyond our earth are beyond your imagination... let's start with the basics... Faster inter continential travel, missle defense, satellite communication, avoiding a large object from colliding with the earth, space mineral mining, terraforming of planets and expanding the human race, morale boosting, and lastly the core of the human spirit curiosity.
nuff said
-Max
FrustratedUser
Lifer
All those alternative angles on the feed are awesome.
So
Lifer
So wait...because we don't have cheap transportation to space *NOW* we never will? :roll:
That's like saying in 1975 "because computers are expensive to use, and I can't see how the average joe will make money from them, there's not reason to build or use computers"
Face it, your argument about medical bills is flawed. We both know that if the money didn't got to the space program, it wouldn't suddenly go to the poor, so stop with that sh!t. Besides, the 'povery' problem will always exist, so long as there is one person with one more dollar than another person. In the long run, going to space will raise the standard of living of everyone, wether you want to believe it or not. Nevertheless it's immaterial, because CEASING to explore space will not in any way have any effect on poverty.
SouthPaW1227
Golden Member
The ability to create a computer is monumentally less complex than creating an affordable, reliable, and timely way to transport people to space.
We can't even figure that out on Earth. Look at L.A.
We can't even figure that out on Earth. Look at L.A.
GTaudiophile
Lifer
Just shut up, you troll. You had to come in and thread crap on this momentus day!
If R&D was not continued towards the goal of building a smaller, better, cheaper computer, you wouldn't have them today. Heck, without the Space Program you wouldn't have computers today!
Space is about new frontiers, new horizons, and new dreams. That is where progress begins, not ends.
SouthPaW1227
Golden Member
Wow you folks are hostile. This isn't P&N so don't make it that.
I'm simply saying the NASA Space Program lacks tangible results. I agree that satallites in orbit are a GREAT idea. That part of the program is very worthwhile. But sending a man to the moon to collect some dust isn't exactly beneficial in economic or utilitarian terms. It gives American's pride and bragging rights, but realistically that's about it.
Parts of NASA are beneficial, but sending people to space to "see what we can find" is a bit absurd. All I'm saying is that those millions and millions reaping zero results could quite possibly cure cancer. Instead we're doing "walks" and "fund-raisers" to try and get money to cure one of the world's most harmful diseases while brilliant people walk around in space, but provide no real results for our country.
This issue, just like everything else, is a two-way street.
I'm simply saying the NASA Space Program lacks tangible results. I agree that satallites in orbit are a GREAT idea. That part of the program is very worthwhile. But sending a man to the moon to collect some dust isn't exactly beneficial in economic or utilitarian terms. It gives American's pride and bragging rights, but realistically that's about it.
Parts of NASA are beneficial, but sending people to space to "see what we can find" is a bit absurd. All I'm saying is that those millions and millions reaping zero results could quite possibly cure cancer. Instead we're doing "walks" and "fund-raisers" to try and get money to cure one of the world's most harmful diseases while brilliant people walk around in space, but provide no real results for our country.
This issue, just like everything else, is a two-way street.
So
Lifer
See though, that's simply FALSE. We've gained significant, REAL, TANGIBLE benefits from the manned space program continually since the 1960's. Just because you are unaware of them, doesn't make them nonexistant.
And suggesting that exploration is absurd, is, in of itself, absurd. One could have made that exact argument about going west of the missisippi, or to alaska, but did we go? Thankfully, yes, and the result of that exploration -- the risk of the money spent sending people out and spending money on making the west easy to access? HUGE mineral wealth, which is a major contributor to our predominace as the world's wealthiest nation. We stand to gain even more from space exploration.
SouthPaW1227
Golden Member
^ Valid point, but I'm not buying the manned space program is gonna pan out the way wandering west did.
You're talking about space, not a couple states over.
You're talking about space, not a couple states over.
So
Lifer
Consider the benefit though. In terms of cost to get there / sq. mile of land gained, getting all of mars and / or all of the moon promises to be much cheaper. Assuming that mars has...say 5% of the mineral resources / sq mi. that the west does, it'd make the westward expansion look like a depression.
StrangerGuy
Diamond Member
I will rather have the billions of dollars transferred into NASA than into the silly Iraqi war.
SouthPaW1227
Golden Member
^ Consider the chances man.
Flying to/from work isn't even feasible on Earth. We should figure stuff out here first. Clearly you can't build a highway to Mars so flying is your only option. There's just too many expensive obstacles to overcome to make this feasible. I would wager my great-great-great-great-great-great grandchildren won't see any benefit from this.
Flying to/from work isn't even feasible on Earth. We should figure stuff out here first. Clearly you can't build a highway to Mars so flying is your only option. There's just too many expensive obstacles to overcome to make this feasible. I would wager my great-great-great-great-great-great grandchildren won't see any benefit from this.
SouthPaW1227
Golden Member
Hah! Maybe I missed the mention of "Iraq" in this. I could care less about the war myself. This isn't about a war. This is about NASA.
So
Lifer
Actually...a 'highway' (to orbit) is, feasible. Read up on the 'space elevator' concept...crazy stuff, but it should be feasible in the next ~50yrs.
Also, we are making huge strides in the SSTO (single stage to orbit) runway to space plane concept. I'd say, once we get a scramjet perfected (already have a working prototype, see the x-43A) we can do this. That means that once enough planes are built, it could cost the same to get to the space station as to say, tokyo, by plane.
And, if we could convince the public of the safety of *gasp* nuclear rockets, we could lift huge single payloads into orbit.
And I'd wager that if we clear the political red tape, my grandchildren could be born in a city on mars.
We have the technology to do much of what we dream today, we just haven't put the pieces together.
Phoenix86
Lifer
Then why are you posting about the poor, needy, uninsured, transportation in LA, and the cure for cancer???
Really make your own "Lets spend NASAs money on X,Y,Z thread" if thats what you want to talk about.
I'm glad they were able to launch w/o a hitch. I can't believe we want to take a step back to going to non-reusable vehicles... 🙁
PottedMeat
Lifer
i wonder how much it would cost to bring back the Saturn-V?
wasnt that the most powerful rocket ever built - and had the highest payload capacity?
maybe build a disposable crew module + cargo container and strap those up to the rocket.
So
Lifer
That's not actually far off from one of the proposed solutions, to going back to the moon, although I believe they propose using a smaller booster. The proposal is to launch cargo modules in one flight, and then an improved apollo capsule in another, have them link up in orbit, and then push off to the moon or beyond.
JasonSix78
Platinum Member
When you guys get done bickering, any ideas on what I asked earlier? I am curious to know.
-Jason
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