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Sowing the Seeds of Ignorance . . .

CaptnKirk

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And Gain Support for a Flawed Policy

Bush wouldn't do anything like that would he . . . again ?

Washington Post Editorial
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Late February is now the time frame mentioned by the White House for unveiling President Bush's plan to privatize Social Security. The timing is no accident. By waiting until then, the president will conveniently avoid having to include the cost of privatization - as much as $2 trillion in new government borrowing over the next 10 years - in his 2006 budget, expected in early February.

In this and other ways, the administration is manipulating information - a tacit, yet devastating, acknowledgement, we believe, that an informed public would reject privatizing Social Security. For the record:

The administration has suggested that it would be justified in borrowing some $2 trillion to establish private accounts because doing so would head off $10 trillion in future Social Security liabilities. It's bad enough that the $10 trillion is a highly inflated figure, intended to overstate a problem that is reasonably estimated at $3.7 trillion or even considerably less. Worse are the true dimensions of the administration's proposed ploy, which were made painfully clear in a memo that was leaked to the press last week. Written in early January by Peter Wehner, the president's director of strategic initiatives and a top aide to Karl Rove, the president's political strategist, the memo states unequivocally that under a privatized system, only drastic benefit cuts - not borrowing - would relieve Social Security's financial problem. "If we borrow $1-2 trillion to cover transition costs for personal savings accounts" without making benefit cuts, Mr. Wehner wrote, "we will have borrowed trillions and will still confront more than $10 trillion in unfunded liabilities. This could easily cause an economic chain reaction: the markets go south, interest rates go up, and the economy stalls out."

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BBond

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His grandfather dealt with the Nazis rather than lose a dollar. His brother robbed Silverado Savings to the tune of ONE BILLION DOLLARS. Bush ran dry hole oil well companies hsi "investors" would mail him large checks for where they actually made money by losing money because of the oil deregulation George H.W. Bush along with some powerful oil industry friends pushed through that made losing money on oil profitable, Bush's buddy Ken Lay cost Americans hundreds of billions in retirement money on a scheme hatched as Lay and other energy industry CEOs got together with Cheney to write U.S. energy policy, Bush emptied the U.S. Treasury into his friends' pockets after stealing an election he lost by over 500,000 votes. Now Bush is pushing a plan that will make it possible for him and his criminal enterprise masquerading as a government to get their hands on the $2 trillion SS surplus as well as another $2 trillion in loans.

We have the highest budget deficit in U.S history. Estimates which include the cost of the Iraq debacle are over $600 billion.

No, Bush wouldn't do anything like that...again.

The Bush family is a criminal enterprise that has somehow duped millions of what used to be free thinking Americans into supporting them in their crime spree.

 

yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
Aug 20, 2000
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Originally posted by: BBond
His grandfather dealt with the Nazis rather than lose a dollar. His brother robbed Silverado Savings to the tune of ONE BILLION DOLLARS. Bush ran dry hole oil well companies hsi "investors" would mail him large checks for where they actually made money by losing money because of the oil deregulation George H.W. Bush along with some powerful oil industry friends pushed through that made losing money on oil profitable, Bush's buddy Ken Lay cost Americans hundreds of billions in retirement money on a scheme hatched as Lay and other energy industry CEOs got together with Cheney to write U.S. energy policy, Bush emptied the U.S. Treasury into his friends' pockets after stealing an election he lost by over 500,000 votes. Now Bush is pushing a plan that will make it possible for him and his criminal enterprise masquerading as a government to get their hands on the $2 trillion SS surplus as well as another $2 trillion in loans.

We have the highest budget deficit in U.S history. Estimates which include the cost of the Iraq debacle are over $600 billion.

No, Bush wouldn't do anything like that...again.

The Bush family is a criminal enterprise that has somehow duped millions of what used to be free thinking Americans into supporting them in their crime spree.
LOL, welcome back BBond. It would take a poster of your caliber to sum up all the countlessly disproven conspiracy theories of the last four years in one post.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: BBond
His grandfather dealt with the Nazis rather than lose a dollar. His brother robbed Silverado Savings to the tune of ONE BILLION DOLLARS. Bush ran dry hole oil well companies hsi "investors" would mail him large checks for where they actually made money by losing money because of the oil deregulation George H.W. Bush along with some powerful oil industry friends pushed through that made losing money on oil profitable, Bush's buddy Ken Lay cost Americans hundreds of billions in retirement money on a scheme hatched as Lay and other energy industry CEOs got together with Cheney to write U.S. energy policy, Bush emptied the U.S. Treasury into his friends' pockets after stealing an election he lost by over 500,000 votes. Now Bush is pushing a plan that will make it possible for him and his criminal enterprise masquerading as a government to get their hands on the $2 trillion SS surplus as well as another $2 trillion in loans.

We have the highest budget deficit in U.S history. Estimates which include the cost of the Iraq debacle are over $600 billion.

No, Bush wouldn't do anything like that...again.

The Bush family is a criminal enterprise that has somehow duped millions of what used to be free thinking Americans into supporting them in their crime spree.
LOL, welcome back BBond. It would take a poster of your caliber to sum up all the countlessly disproven conspiracy theories of the last four years in one post.

Yeah, it seems Bob has trouble with reality so he relies on conspiracy and hate.

CsG
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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Has anybody noticed it is always a liberal who says people are being fed ignorance, lies, and are being turned into sheeple?

Then they expect you to listen to them, and believe them as your savior?

Seems kind of ironic if you ask me.

 

conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: Genx87
Has anybody noticed it is always a liberal who says people are being fed ignorance, lies, and are being turned into sheeple?

Then they expect you to listen to them, and believe them as your savior?

Seems kind of ironic if you ask me.
Has anybody noticed it is always a conservative who says people are traitors or communists or liberals if they don't follow this administration?

Then they expect you to listen to them, and believe them as your savior?

Seems kind of ironic if you ask me.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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Has anybody noticed it is always a conservative who says people are traitors or communists or liberals if they don't follow this administration?

Then they expect you to listen to them, and believe them as your savior?

Seems kind of ironic if you ask me.

Quite lame

Expected more out of you.


 

conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: Genx87
Has anybody noticed it is always a conservative who says people are traitors or communists or liberals if they don't follow this administration?

Then they expect you to listen to them, and believe them as your savior?

Seems kind of ironic if you ask me.
Quite lame

Expected more out of you.
Didn't expect anything but that from you, though.

Or does this not ring any bells?

Originally posted by: Genx87
So, OK what I am getting here anyone who here is down for socialist aspects of modern society is a communist. So thus all shades of socialism is actually it's most extreme form communism so anyone who isn't an true anarchist is a commie, right?

Yes
 

jpeyton

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Moderator
Aug 23, 2003
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Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: BBond
His grandfather dealt with the Nazis rather than lose a dollar. His brother robbed Silverado Savings to the tune of ONE BILLION DOLLARS. Bush ran dry hole oil well companies hsi "investors" would mail him large checks for where they actually made money by losing money because of the oil deregulation George H.W. Bush along with some powerful oil industry friends pushed through that made losing money on oil profitable, Bush's buddy Ken Lay cost Americans hundreds of billions in retirement money on a scheme hatched as Lay and other energy industry CEOs got together with Cheney to write U.S. energy policy, Bush emptied the U.S. Treasury into his friends' pockets after stealing an election he lost by over 500,000 votes. Now Bush is pushing a plan that will make it possible for him and his criminal enterprise masquerading as a government to get their hands on the $2 trillion SS surplus as well as another $2 trillion in loans.

We have the highest budget deficit in U.S history. Estimates which include the cost of the Iraq debacle are over $600 billion.

No, Bush wouldn't do anything like that...again.

The Bush family is a criminal enterprise that has somehow duped millions of what used to be free thinking Americans into supporting them in their crime spree.
LOL, welcome back BBond. It would take a poster of your caliber to sum up all the countlessly disproven conspiracy theories of the last four years in one post.
Do you have a reading disability?

Here is a summary of all the PNAC posts in this thread to date: troll troll troll conspiracy theory troll troll troll I can't actually form a reply concerning the title post troll troll troll
 

catnap1972

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Aug 10, 2000
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Genx87
Has anybody noticed it is always a liberal who says people are being fed ignorance, lies, and are being turned into sheeple?

Then they expect you to listen to them, and believe them as your savior?

Seems kind of ironic if you ask me.
Has anybody noticed it is always a conservative who says people are traitors or communists or liberals or terrorists if they don't follow this administration?

Then they expect you to listen to them, and believe them as your savior?

Seems kind of ironic if you ask me.

Fixed it for you (you forgot one) :)
 

yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
Aug 20, 2000
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432
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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: BBond
His grandfather dealt with the Nazis rather than lose a dollar. His brother robbed Silverado Savings to the tune of ONE BILLION DOLLARS. Bush ran dry hole oil well companies hsi "investors" would mail him large checks for where they actually made money by losing money because of the oil deregulation George H.W. Bush along with some powerful oil industry friends pushed through that made losing money on oil profitable, Bush's buddy Ken Lay cost Americans hundreds of billions in retirement money on a scheme hatched as Lay and other energy industry CEOs got together with Cheney to write U.S. energy policy, Bush emptied the U.S. Treasury into his friends' pockets after stealing an election he lost by over 500,000 votes. Now Bush is pushing a plan that will make it possible for him and his criminal enterprise masquerading as a government to get their hands on the $2 trillion SS surplus as well as another $2 trillion in loans.

We have the highest budget deficit in U.S history. Estimates which include the cost of the Iraq debacle are over $600 billion.

No, Bush wouldn't do anything like that...again.

The Bush family is a criminal enterprise that has somehow duped millions of what used to be free thinking Americans into supporting them in their crime spree.
LOL, welcome back BBond. It would take a poster of your caliber to sum up all the countlessly disproven conspiracy theories of the last four years in one post.
Do you have a reading disability?

Here is a summary of all the PNAC posts in this thread to date: troll troll troll conspiracy theory troll troll troll I can't actually form a reply concerning the title post troll troll troll
BWAHAHAHAHA! jpeyton asking someone else if they have a reading disability. That's priceless. :D

The topic of this thread should be, "Yet Another Editorial/Op-Ed Piece With No Factual Basis". For decades people have had the knowledge that without intervention, SS is heading south. Senator Kerry simultaneously agrees and disagrees with this pronounciation, while voting against putting the funds in a 'lockbox'. How about someone posts a thread on the facts and figures on the subject instead of Bush-bashing opinions?

BOBDN's post is just typical and I wished to welcome him back in his fine form. Grandfather collaborated with the Nazis. Lay and Bush were buddies with Cheney writing the policy to let him pull it off. Bush going to war to enrich his 'buddies'. Bush stealing the election - which one, BBond? 2000, 2004 or both? What a joke. :D
 

digitalsm

Diamond Member
Jul 11, 2003
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Heres a novel idea.

Decrease spending.

Will it happen?

No, because of political reasons. Politicians arent there for the good of the country they are there for the good of themselves.
 

SuperTool

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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The same administration that hid the real cost of their Medicare prescription drug benefit until after the law was signed. And I am supposed to trust anything they say about SS? Their phony arguements and numbers aren't worth the paper they are written on.
 

digitalsm

Diamond Member
Jul 11, 2003
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Originally posted by: SuperTool
The same administration that hid the real cost of their Medicare prescription drug benefit until after the law was signed. And I am supposed to trust anything they say about SS? Their phony arguements and numbers aren't worth the paper they are written on.

Neither had anything the federal govt has done now, or ever(in the modern era).

Its like you think the current admin is the first(or last) to do this, or are the only politican(or party) doing it.

 

SuperTool

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: SuperTool
The same administration that hid the real cost of their Medicare prescription drug benefit until after the law was signed. And I am supposed to trust anything they say about SS? Their phony arguements and numbers aren't worth the paper they are written on.

Neither had anything the federal govt has done now, or ever(in the modern era).

Its like you think the current admin is the first(or last) to do this, or are the only politican(or party) doing it.

I am talking about the current administration and its proposals wrt to social security. If you want to talk about some other administration or proposal, start another thread.
Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, well you aint fooling me again ;)
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Soo, uhh, guys, are you disputing the authenticity of the memo in the OP, the reasoning behind it, or just attacking BBond, arguing like the pundit in the Tom Tomorrow thread?

Wehner's math seems to make more sense than Bush's, bless his pointy little head...

Or is this a new way to borrow our way out of debt?
 

AnitaPeterson

Diamond Member
Apr 24, 2001
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Genx87
Has anybody noticed it is always a conservative who says people are traitors or communists or liberals if they don't follow this administration?

Then they expect you to listen to them, and believe them as your savior?

Seems kind of ironic if you ask me.
Quite lame

Expected more out of you.
Didn't expect anything but that from you, though.

Or does this not ring any bells?

Originally posted by: Genx87
So, OK what I am getting here anyone who here is down for socialist aspects of modern society is a communist. So thus all shades of socialism is actually it's most extreme form communism so anyone who isn't an true anarchist is a commie, right?

Yes



Ding! Ding!
0WNAGE ALERT!
 

aidanjm

Lifer
Aug 9, 2004
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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Soo, uhh, guys, are you disputing the authenticity of the memo in the OP, the reasoning behind it, or just attacking BBond, arguing like the pundit in the Tom Tomorrow thread?

Wehner's math seems to make more sense than Bush's, bless his pointy little head...

Or is this a new way to borrow our way out of debt?

It's their standard red herring tactic, attack the poster rather than deal with the contents of the post.