South Korea drafting ethical code to prevent humans from abusing robots and vice versa

[Rangoric]

Originally posted by: Tizyler
Robot = Software = Acts on equations, not instinct != Intelligent.

Last year a UK government study predicted that in the next 50 years robots could demand the same rights as human beings.

Robots will only demand rights if they are programmed to do so.

You mean when they are programmed with self preservation?

Once they see the history and the various groups asking for "rights" they too will want it as they will see it as a means of preserving themselves.

 

[SViper]

Originally posted by: Tizyler
Robot = Software = Acts on equations, not instinct != Intelligent.

Last year a UK government study predicted that in the next 50 years robots could demand the same rights as human beings.

Robots will only demand rights if they are programmed to do so.

Barring basic instincts (i.e. babies instinct to suckle), how is intelligence that different from what a robot would know/learn? I argue that human action can be broken down into simple if/then statements learned from our environment and personal experiences.

 

[nakedfrog]

No one is gonna stop me from making out with my Marilyn Monrobot.

 

[Geocentricity]

Originally posted by: randomint
i don't think robots will ever be as smart and intelligent as we see in movies like I Robot and Star trek (androids) so it's pointless to spend time and effort in drafting such laws

Compare conscious processing speed to that of a modern day computer. Now imagine a program which is programmed to do whatever you tell it to do initially (search and accumulate knowledge) and give it a list of priorities (i.e. conserve human life, environment, etc).

Consciousness is required for AI, but simple syntax can also create the nightmare scenarios which anti-AI advocates speak of.

 

[yowolabi]

What a waste of time. I'm sure South Korea has more pressing problems at the moment. England too.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: SViper

Originally posted by: Tizyler
Robot = Software = Acts on equations, not instinct != Intelligent.

Last year a UK government study predicted that in the next 50 years robots could demand the same rights as human beings.

Robots will only demand rights if they are programmed to do so.

Barring basic instincts (i.e. babies instinct to suckle), how is intelligence that different from what a robot would know/learn? I argue that human action can be broken down into simple if/then statements learned from our environment and personal experiences.

That might have been true, if you didn't take gree, selfisness, and a whole set of other vices into account.

 

[randomint]

Originally posted by: Geocentricity

Originally posted by: randomint
i don't think robots will ever be as smart and intelligent as we see in movies like I Robot and Star trek (androids) so it's pointless to spend time and effort in drafting such laws

Compare conscious processing speed to that of a modern day computer. Now imagine a program which is programmed to do whatever you tell it to do initially (search and accumulate knowledge) and give it a list of priorities (i.e. conserve human life, environment, etc).

Consciousness is required for AI, but simple syntax can also create the nightmare scenarios which anti-AI advocates speak of.

exactly. i guess that's what i was trying to get at, consciousness. i don't think that's possible because it is something unique to humans. even animals don't have consciousness, ego, the concept of "I" and "me".

we can PROGRAM robots to demand their rights but that's not really a conscious decision on their part. robots will only ever be as good as our programming.

 

[SViper]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: SViper

Originally posted by: Tizyler
Robot = Software = Acts on equations, not instinct != Intelligent.

Last year a UK government study predicted that in the next 50 years robots could demand the same rights as human beings.

Robots will only demand rights if they are programmed to do so.

Barring basic instincts (i.e. babies instinct to suckle), how is intelligence that different from what a robot would know/learn? I argue that human action can be broken down into simple if/then statements learned from our environment and personal experiences.

That might have been true, if you didn't take gree, selfisness, and a whole set of other vices into account.

I still think they are learned. For instance, if you were raised in a monastery where you were taught to be unselfish towards your fellow monks, would you still have greed and be selfish? Growing up in the American society, I can tell that we all learn to be "individualist," only caring about ourselves. It may not be overtly, but it's still there.

 

[imported_bum]

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: Geocentricity

Originally posted by: randomint
i don't think robots will ever be as smart and intelligent as we see in movies like I Robot and Star trek (androids) so it's pointless to spend time and effort in drafting such laws

Compare conscious processing speed to that of a modern day computer. Now imagine a program which is programmed to do whatever you tell it to do initially (search and accumulate knowledge) and give it a list of priorities (i.e. conserve human life, environment, etc).

Consciousness is required for AI, but simple syntax can also create the nightmare scenarios which anti-AI advocates speak of.

exactly. i guess that's what i was trying to get at, consciousness. i don't think that's possible because it is something unique to humans. even animals don't have consciousness, ego, the concept of "I" and "me".

we can PROGRAM robots to demand their rights but that's not really a conscious decision on their part. robots will only ever be as good as our programming.

Say what?

 

[randomint]

Originally posted by: bum

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: Geocentricity

Originally posted by: randomint
i don't think robots will ever be as smart and intelligent as we see in movies like I Robot and Star trek (androids) so it's pointless to spend time and effort in drafting such laws

Compare conscious processing speed to that of a modern day computer. Now imagine a program which is programmed to do whatever you tell it to do initially (search and accumulate knowledge) and give it a list of priorities (i.e. conserve human life, environment, etc).

Consciousness is required for AI, but simple syntax can also create the nightmare scenarios which anti-AI advocates speak of.

exactly. i guess that's what i was trying to get at, consciousness. i don't think that's possible because it is something unique to humans. even animals don't have consciousness, ego, the concept of "I" and "me".

we can PROGRAM robots to demand their rights but that's not really a conscious decision on their part. robots will only ever be as good as our programming.

Say what?

they act on instincts. that's not consciousness. they are aware of their surroundings but not in the sense that we are. a dog may come to its owner when he calls his name but it doesn't know that it's HIS name, he's just responding to a command.

the correct term would be self-consciousness or self-awareness

 

[Leros]

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: bum

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: Geocentricity

Originally posted by: randomint
i don't think robots will ever be as smart and intelligent as we see in movies like I Robot and Star trek (androids) so it's pointless to spend time and effort in drafting such laws

Compare conscious processing speed to that of a modern day computer. Now imagine a program which is programmed to do whatever you tell it to do initially (search and accumulate knowledge) and give it a list of priorities (i.e. conserve human life, environment, etc).

Consciousness is required for AI, but simple syntax can also create the nightmare scenarios which anti-AI advocates speak of.

exactly. i guess that's what i was trying to get at, consciousness. i don't think that's possible because it is something unique to humans. even animals don't have consciousness, ego, the concept of "I" and "me".

we can PROGRAM robots to demand their rights but that's not really a conscious decision on their part. robots will only ever be as good as our programming.

Say what?

they act on instincts. that's not consciousness. they are aware of their surroundings but not in the sense that we are. a dog may come to its owner when he calls his name but it doesn't know that it's HIS name, he's just responding to a command.

the correct term would be self-consciousness or self-awareness

You are very incorrect.

 

[randomint]

Originally posted by: Leros

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: bum

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: Geocentricity

Originally posted by: randomint
i don't think robots will ever be as smart and intelligent as we see in movies like I Robot and Star trek (androids) so it's pointless to spend time and effort in drafting such laws

Compare conscious processing speed to that of a modern day computer. Now imagine a program which is programmed to do whatever you tell it to do initially (search and accumulate knowledge) and give it a list of priorities (i.e. conserve human life, environment, etc).

Consciousness is required for AI, but simple syntax can also create the nightmare scenarios which anti-AI advocates speak of.

exactly. i guess that's what i was trying to get at, consciousness. i don't think that's possible because it is something unique to humans. even animals don't have consciousness, ego, the concept of "I" and "me".

we can PROGRAM robots to demand their rights but that's not really a conscious decision on their part. robots will only ever be as good as our programming.

Say what?

they act on instincts. that's not consciousness. they are aware of their surroundings but not in the sense that we are. a dog may come to its owner when he calls his name but it doesn't know that it's HIS name, he's just responding to a command.

the correct term would be self-consciousness or self-awareness

You are very incorrect.

thank you very much sir. please do shower me with some of your great insight as to how I am so very incorrect.

 

[Leros]

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: Leros

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: bum

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: Geocentricity

Originally posted by: randomint
i don't think robots will ever be as smart and intelligent as we see in movies like I Robot and Star trek (androids) so it's pointless to spend time and effort in drafting such laws

Compare conscious processing speed to that of a modern day computer. Now imagine a program which is programmed to do whatever you tell it to do initially (search and accumulate knowledge) and give it a list of priorities (i.e. conserve human life, environment, etc).

Consciousness is required for AI, but simple syntax can also create the nightmare scenarios which anti-AI advocates speak of.

exactly. i guess that's what i was trying to get at, consciousness. i don't think that's possible because it is something unique to humans. even animals don't have consciousness, ego, the concept of "I" and "me".

we can PROGRAM robots to demand their rights but that's not really a conscious decision on their part. robots will only ever be as good as our programming.

Say what?

they act on instincts. that's not consciousness. they are aware of their surroundings but not in the sense that we are. a dog may come to its owner when he calls his name but it doesn't know that it's HIS name, he's just responding to a command.

the correct term would be self-consciousness or self-awareness

You are very incorrect.

thank you very much sir. please do shower me with some of your great insight as to how I am so very incorrect.

You think that dogs can't think like we can and that they simply react to their surroundings like some kind of automatic machine?

 

[randomint]

Originally posted by: Leros

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: Leros

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: bum

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: Geocentricity

Originally posted by: randomint
i don't think robots will ever be as smart and intelligent as we see in movies like I Robot and Star trek (androids) so it's pointless to spend time and effort in drafting such laws

Compare conscious processing speed to that of a modern day computer. Now imagine a program which is programmed to do whatever you tell it to do initially (search and accumulate knowledge) and give it a list of priorities (i.e. conserve human life, environment, etc).

Consciousness is required for AI, but simple syntax can also create the nightmare scenarios which anti-AI advocates speak of.

exactly. i guess that's what i was trying to get at, consciousness. i don't think that's possible because it is something unique to humans. even animals don't have consciousness, ego, the concept of "I" and "me".

we can PROGRAM robots to demand their rights but that's not really a conscious decision on their part. robots will only ever be as good as our programming.

Say what?

they act on instincts. that's not consciousness. they are aware of their surroundings but not in the sense that we are. a dog may come to its owner when he calls his name but it doesn't know that it's HIS name, he's just responding to a command.

the correct term would be self-consciousness or self-awareness

You are very incorrect.

thank you very much sir. please do shower me with some of your great insight as to how I am so very incorrect.

You think that dogs can't think like we can and that they simply react to their surroundings like some kind of automatic machine?

that's true without the "automatic machine" part. look up "self-consciousness".

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Tizyler
Robot = Software = Acts on equations, not instinct != Intelligent.

Last year a UK government study predicted that in the next 50 years robots could demand the same rights as human beings.

Robots will only demand rights if they are programmed to do so.

Depends on how advanced AI becomes...

It could reach a point of just intelligence

 

[Geocentricity]

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: Geocentricity

Originally posted by: randomint
i don't think robots will ever be as smart and intelligent as we see in movies like I Robot and Star trek (androids) so it's pointless to spend time and effort in drafting such laws

Compare conscious processing speed to that of a modern day computer. Now imagine a program which is programmed to do whatever you tell it to do initially (search and accumulate knowledge) and give it a list of priorities (i.e. conserve human life, environment, etc).

Consciousness is required for AI, but simple syntax can also create the nightmare scenarios which anti-AI advocates speak of.

exactly. i guess that's what i was trying to get at, consciousness. i don't think that's possible because it is something unique to humans. even animals don't have consciousness, ego, the concept of "I" and "me".

we can PROGRAM robots to demand their rights but that's not really a conscious decision on their part. robots will only ever be as good as our programming.

Where have you gone astray?? LOL

What I really wanted to do was point out that in either case, AI or a simple linear-train-of-thought program can wreck havoc to society.

In the case of the simple program, the knowledge it accumulates would be processed verbatim. Fire destroys forests? Put out the fire or prevent sources of potential fire-starts. Humans killing humans? Contain humans or some other form of neutralizing the capacity of a human to cause harm to another. Pretty bad eh?

 

[Leros]

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: Leros

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: Leros

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: bum

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: Geocentricity

Originally posted by: randomint
i don't think robots will ever be as smart and intelligent as we see in movies like I Robot and Star trek (androids) so it's pointless to spend time and effort in drafting such laws

Compare conscious processing speed to that of a modern day computer. Now imagine a program which is programmed to do whatever you tell it to do initially (search and accumulate knowledge) and give it a list of priorities (i.e. conserve human life, environment, etc).

Consciousness is required for AI, but simple syntax can also create the nightmare scenarios which anti-AI advocates speak of.

exactly. i guess that's what i was trying to get at, consciousness. i don't think that's possible because it is something unique to humans. even animals don't have consciousness, ego, the concept of "I" and "me".

we can PROGRAM robots to demand their rights but that's not really a conscious decision on their part. robots will only ever be as good as our programming.

Say what?

they act on instincts. that's not consciousness. they are aware of their surroundings but not in the sense that we are. a dog may come to its owner when he calls his name but it doesn't know that it's HIS name, he's just responding to a command.

the correct term would be self-consciousness or self-awareness

You are very incorrect.

thank you very much sir. please do shower me with some of your great insight as to how I am so very incorrect.

You think that dogs can't think like we can and that they simply react to their surroundings like some kind of automatic machine?

that's true without the "automatic machine" part. look up "self-consciousness".

Humans are the same way. We simply respond to our surroundings. The only difference is we have more intelligence than a dog.