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ultimatebob

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chrome is the worst piece of adware on the internet

Perhaps, but Chrome + AdBlock is awesome :)

I really hope that this is the final nail in the coffin for Sourceforge. They really need to die a painful death for trying to bundle adware with open source software!
 

Anubis

No Lifer
Aug 31, 2001
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tbqhwy.com
Perhaps, but Chrome + AdBlock is awesome :)

I really hope that this is the final nail in the coffin for Sourceforge. They really need to die a painful death for trying to bundle adware with open source software!

as awesome as it may be any other browser + addblocking is at least equal to it and isn't bundled in every install on the planet
 

ninaholic37

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Apr 13, 2012
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Sourceforge was always a pretty awesome place for me. I found a ton of useful projects there that were free (as in beer) to use. I dunno what all this packaging ads thing is about, maybe I don't see the "big green download button" because I'm using an adblocker. Every site seems to throw more ads / downloaders in your face as it gets bigger, I think that is the way the world is heading. As long as there's a way to get what I actually want, the ads don't really mean much to me. I agree that the 90s were the best time when most sites were simple HTML.
 
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We've got 7 EqualLogic's and I've personally updated each one of them at least twice. Never had to take them offline. They have dual controllers and one controller is updated while the other runs. The SAN fails over to the recently updated controller then the 2nd one is updated. There is a blip in connectivity while that happens...was only a few seconds for us. Never even had to take our production environment down.
Every now and then I've seen some clients hiccough during a failover.

One time I wound up with a bunch of CentOS systems (running in a VMWare environment) that decided their file systems were read-only. Voodoo.
 

AnonymouseUser

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May 14, 2003
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Sourceforge was always a pretty awesome place for me. I found a ton of useful projects there that were free (as in beer) to use. I dunno what all this packaging ads thing is about, maybe I don't see the "big green download button" because I'm using an adblocker. Every site seems to throw more ads / downloaders in your face as it gets bigger, I think that is the way the world is heading. As long as there's a way to get what I actually want, the ads don't really mean much to me. I agree that the 90s were the best time when most sites were simple HTML.

It wasn't just ads on the download pages, they took control of accounts and bundled adware into the installers.

http://petapixel.com/2015/05/29/sourceforge-accused-of-bundling-gimp-with-adware/
 

gorcorps

aka Brandon
Jul 18, 2004
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Sourceforge was always a pretty awesome place for me. I found a ton of useful projects there that were free (as in beer) to use. I dunno what all this packaging ads thing is about, maybe I don't see the "big green download button" because I'm using an adblocker. Every site seems to throw more ads / downloaders in your face as it gets bigger, I think that is the way the world is heading. As long as there's a way to get what I actually want, the ads don't really mean much to me. I agree that the 90s were the best time when most sites were simple HTML.

The problem was not just with the ads, but as I understand it sourceforge was creating their own installers to try and get other software installed during the gimp installation. Have you ever tried to install a program and during the install there's a checkbox for "install the ASK toolbar" that's checked by default? If you didn't notice it and kept going with the install you'd have more shit on your PC than you wanted. Sourceforge was getting money by 3rd parties to include things like that in the installers.

Sourceforge was basically adding those types of installers on their own without the permission of the people who developed the programs.
 

AdamK47

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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The problem was not just with the ads, but as I understand it sourceforge was creating their own installers to try and get other software installed during the gimp installation. Have you ever tried to install a program and during the install there's a checkbox for "install the ASK toolbar" that's checked by default? If you didn't notice it and kept going with the install you'd have more shit on your PC than you wanted. Sourceforge was getting money by 3rd parties to include things like that in the installers.

Sourceforge was basically adding those types of installers on their own without the permission of the people who developed the programs.

That's pretty slimy, but not too surprising. It's amazing the business practices people tolerate on the Internet today that would have caused furious complaints if implemented 10 to 15 years ago.
 

ninaholic37

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Apr 13, 2012
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It wasn't just ads on the download pages, they took control of accounts and bundled adware into the installers.

http://petapixel.com/2015/05/29/sourceforge-accused-of-bundling-gimp-with-adware/
The problem was not just with the ads, but as I understand it sourceforge was creating their own installers to try and get other software installed during the gimp installation. Have you ever tried to install a program and during the install there's a checkbox for "install the ASK toolbar" that's checked by default? If you didn't notice it and kept going with the install you'd have more shit on your PC than you wanted. Sourceforge was getting money by 3rd parties to include things like that in the installers.

Sourceforge was basically adding those types of installers on their own without the permission of the people who developed the programs.
Ah, I was hoping it wasn't that bad. Thanks for the info. That sucks!

I did get tricked once by toolbars, never again! :awe:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=33666604
 

imagoon

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Feb 19, 2003
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SAN firmware can be a pain. We had an Equalogic SAN at a place I worked and the big selling point with these was how it was super easy to just add more enclosures live and everything just converges together. You can make it redundant, or just use more spindles, grow the arrays across the new enclosure etc all live... BUT... and a big BUT, it only worked if the firmware versions matched. Unless you buy two enclosures at the exact same time, of course they're not going to match, the newer one will have a newer firmware. The only way to update the firmware was to take it offline. Who the hell takes storage offline, ever? Well we had to. Totally defeats the whole purpose of having a feature that makes adding a new unit seamless, because it sure as hell is not seamless if the firmware update requires a reboot.

There was also a certain firmware version that if you updated it, it would start to corrupt data. Scary stuff. We got lucky and they were not at that version yet when we updated, but another one of our clients got hit.

I'm going to stick with my 24 bay enclosure running Linux and mdadm raid TYVM. Cheaper, easier to operate, and less points of failure.

Properly built, rebooting a SAN controller is a nonissue. I would also agree with Dave, for a low performance array, software RAID like MDADM is fine. Your mdadm RAID will also be lower reliability over all and actually has more points of failure than a true built SAN would. Few examples for you: 1 controller, 1 bank of RAM, single data path if using SATA drives anywhere, single data bus to name few. A more complex SAN will have 2 or more complete controllers that will contain redundant CPUs, redundant buses, redundant RAM, redundant cache, redundant IO Engines, redundant network pathing, redundant pathing to the disks, redundant paths to the disk enclosures to name a few.