Source of NIE leak may have been found

[ProfJohn]

Looks like they may have found the person who selectively leaked parts of the NIE for partisian gain.

From Michael Barone of US News and World Report Link

Where did that selective leak of the National Intelligence Estimate come from? Well, it's beginning to look like it came from a Democratic staffer on the House Intelligence Committee.

Committee Chairman Pete Hoekstra last week suspended and denied classified information to the unnamed staffer. According to Republican Rep. Ray LaHood, the staffer requested a copy of the April NIE three days before part of its contents appeared in the New York Times. LaHood, by the way, is not necessarily a partisan spear chucker; he is close to Speaker Dennis Hastert, but he is one of those members often chosen to preside over divisive debates on important issues because he is perceived to be fair and impartial. As you'll recall, the NYT story quoted the NIE as saying that our military action in Iraq has stirred up more jihadist activity. It conspicuously failed to quote the NIE as saying, as it did, that our withdrawal from Iraq would stir up even more jihadist activity.

If the staffer leaked the NIE to the Times, he could be criminally charged. And, of course, it's outrageous on every level for a staffer to leak classified material for political purposes. Especially a selective leak like this one.

If this is the person who leaked it then they should lose their job and security clearance FOREVER and should face criminal charges. It is not acceptable to release classified information. If the Democrats in congress felt strongly enough that this information should have been released they could have pressed for it to be released through proper channels.

And to you lefties, there will come a day when there is a Democrat President again, remember your actions now, since how you act in matters like this will certainly effect what happens when you are in office again.

 

[shadow9d9]

"And to you lefties," - this is the problem with all of your posts. You need help.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
"And to you lefties," - this is the problem with all of your posts. You need help.

And what is the problem? Please help me since you are so all knowing and powerful.

 

[Genx87]

I think anybody who is leaking classified information republican, democratic, or other should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

I also think any news agency who knowingly published classified information should also be hauled into court. There is a reason why we classify information. Having people running around giving this information away is bad for the govt and the United States as a whole.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I think anybody who is leaking classified information republican, democratic, or other should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

I also think any news agency who knowingly published classified information should also be hauled into court. There is a reason why we classify information. Having people running around giving this information away is bad for the govt and the United States as a whole.

I'm not sure that whoever leaked this deserves to go to jail, but they surely deserve to lose their seat in congress.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
"And to you lefties," - this is the problem with all of your posts. You need help.

I agree, it is extremely Un-American of him in our dire time of War.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Genx87
I think anybody who is leaking classified information republican, democratic, or other should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

I also think any news agency who knowingly published classified information should also be hauled into court. There is a reason why we classify information. Having people running around giving this information away is bad for the govt and the United States as a whole.

I'm not sure that whoever leaked this deserves to go to jail, but they surely deserve to lose their seat in congress.

If the law states jail time is necessary toss them away. It is time to put a clamp down on the non-stop stream of classified information being propagated through our news agencies.

It has got to the point where classified information means nothing.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
"And to you lefties," - this is the problem with all of your posts. You need help.

I agree, it is extremely Un-American of him in our dire time of War.

Mr "phoney war" himself is calling someone un-American. You know, I would never acuse you or anyone else on the left of being un-American, no mater what they say. However, I have no problem looking at comments like this one "The only Terrer I speak about is of Republicans destroying America. " link and declare that you are utterly clueless.

And you pretend to want to be President? When is the last time a "real" candidate acused the other side of trying to destroy America?

EDIT: Removed my personal attack, shame on me.

 

[theeedude]

This should be public information.

 

[Balt]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Genx87
I think anybody who is leaking classified information republican, democratic, or other should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

I also think any news agency who knowingly published classified information should also be hauled into court. There is a reason why we classify information. Having people running around giving this information away is bad for the govt and the United States as a whole.

I'm not sure that whoever leaked this deserves to go to jail, but they surely deserve to lose their seat in congress.

If the law states jail time is necessary toss them away. It is time to put a clamp down on the non-stop stream of classified information being propagated through our news agencies.

It has got to the point where classified information means nothing.

You are overstating it just a tad. Do you really think even .1% of classified information is leaked?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Genx87
I think anybody who is leaking classified information republican, democratic, or other should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

I also think any news agency who knowingly published classified information should also be hauled into court. There is a reason why we classify information. Having people running around giving this information away is bad for the govt and the United States as a whole.

I'm not sure that whoever leaked this deserves to go to jail, but they surely deserve to lose their seat in congress.

If the law states jail time is necessary toss them away. It is time to put a clamp down on the non-stop stream of classified information being propagated through our news agencies.

It has got to the point where classified information means nothing.

You are overstating it just a tad. Do you really think even .1% of classified information is leaked?

I dont know, but if it is .1% that is .1% too much.

 

[Balt]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Genx87
I think anybody who is leaking classified information republican, democratic, or other should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

I also think any news agency who knowingly published classified information should also be hauled into court. There is a reason why we classify information. Having people running around giving this information away is bad for the govt and the United States as a whole.

I'm not sure that whoever leaked this deserves to go to jail, but they surely deserve to lose their seat in congress.

If the law states jail time is necessary toss them away. It is time to put a clamp down on the non-stop stream of classified information being propagated through our news agencies.

It has got to the point where classified information means nothing.

You are overstating it just a tad. Do you really think even .1% of classified information is leaked?

I dont know, but if it is .1% that is .1% too much.

If you want to argue that then go ahead, but like I said making the statement "It has got to the point where classified information means nothing" is ridiculous.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Genx87
I think anybody who is leaking classified information republican, democratic, or other should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

I also think any news agency who knowingly published classified information should also be hauled into court. There is a reason why we classify information. Having people running around giving this information away is bad for the govt and the United States as a whole.

I'm not sure that whoever leaked this deserves to go to jail, but they surely deserve to lose their seat in congress.

If the law states jail time is necessary toss them away. It is time to put a clamp down on the non-stop stream of classified information being propagated through our news agencies.

It has got to the point where classified information means nothing.

You are overstating it just a tad. Do you really think even .1% of classified information is leaked?

I dont know, but if it is .1% that is .1% too much.

If you want to argue that then go ahead, but like I said making the statement "It has got to the point where classified information means nothing" is ridiculous.

There is a near constant flow of stories coming out of washington containing clasified information. Whether it is .1% or 50%, it has got to the point where it appears information being classified means nothing.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Genx87
I think anybody who is leaking classified information republican, democratic, or other should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

I also think any news agency who knowingly published classified information should also be hauled into court. There is a reason why we classify information. Having people running around giving this information away is bad for the govt and the United States as a whole.

I'm not sure that whoever leaked this deserves to go to jail, but they surely deserve to lose their seat in congress.

If the law states jail time is necessary toss them away. It is time to put a clamp down on the non-stop stream of classified information being propagated through our news agencies.

It has got to the point where classified information means nothing.

You are overstating it just a tad. Do you really think even .1% of classified information is leaked?

I dont know, but if it is .1% that is .1% too much.

If you want to argue that then go ahead, but like I said making the statement "It has got to the point where classified information means nothing" is ridiculous.

There is a near constant flow of stories coming out of washington containing clasified information. Whether it is .1% or 50%, it has got to the point where it appears information being classified means nothing.

Blame king geogre for classifing stuff that should have been made public in the first place.

 

[Lemon law]

Yes I somewhat agree that GWB&co. should never have leaked the Valarie Plume identity for petty political punishment.---they did in fact do dire damage to ongoing CIA programs.

But in terms of evaluating the damege done---what secrets that should not be public knowledge were released from the NIE?---the only parties damaged were GWB&co as far as I can see.
Curses---foiled again---more GWB lies debunked for all to see.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Yes I somewhat agree that GWB&co. should never have leaked the Valarie Plume identity for petty political punishment.---they did in fact do dire damage to ongoing CIA programs.

But in terms of evaluating the damege done---what secrets that should not be public knowledge were released from the NIE?---the only parties damaged were GWB&co as far as I can see.
Curses---foiled again---more GWB lies debunked for all to see.

/thread

 

[sandorski]

There are times when the People have a right to know what the President knows. This is one of those times.

 

[hellokeith]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I think anybody who is leaking classified information republican, democratic, or other should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

I also think any news agency who knowingly published classified information should also be hauled into court. There is a reason why we classify information. Having people running around giving this information away is bad for the govt and the United States as a whole.

quoted for truth..

And yet Samuel Berger and Richard Armitage walk freely.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Looks like they may have found the person who selectively leaked parts of the NIE for partisian gain.

From Michael Barone of US News and World Report...

Nice attempt at yet another political hatchet job. Your link is to a credible journal, but it's a single source partisan opinion blog. The political bias is obvious in the rest of his blog, for example, in the paragraph following the one you quoted:

Jane Harman, the ranking Democrat on the committee, has protested strongly against the staffer's suspension. Harman for several years has been a responsible member on the committee. But during the course of this calendar year, she has been making more shrill partisan statements and fewer thoughtful critiques. The most likely reason: pressure from the Democratic left.

More significantly, he includes absolutely zero substantiation of any facts, just a bunch of accusations.

If this is the person who leaked it then they should lose their job and security clearance FOREVER and should face criminal charges.

Getting back to reality for a brief moment, IF the suspended staffer is proven to be the one who leaked the information, considering the nature of the info, maybe he should receive a medal and a hero's feast. The information that was made public just confirmed what almost everyone knew, that the Bushwhackos' bogus war wasn't going the way they portrayed it, and it was spawning more terrorists. The only ones who still don't get that are the Bushwhackos, themselves, who are still in complete denial.

Thomas Jefferson said:

An enlightened citizenry is indispensable for the proper functioning of a republic. Self-government is not possible unless the citizens are educated sufficiently to enable them to exercise oversight.

Part of being enlightened citizens, requires knowing when our leaders are lying. We've had example after example and evidence upon evidence that the Bush adminiistration has lied about this war from day one. If you deny that, you are as much a liar as they are... but that's nothing we didn't know from your previous posts. :roll:

And to you lefties, there will come a day when there is a Democrat President again...

And sooner is better! I want to see the entire administration tried for their TREASON. :|

 

[Craig234]

Here's a problem.

What about whistleblowing?

What is the loyal thing to do when someone knows that a public official is violating the public trust, lying about classified material?

The right wing apparently always sides with the law, supporting the secrets being kept.

They have no apparent solution to the situation above; the public would just be screwed.

Don't get into the details of whether this or that leak was right or wrong, answer the general problem, when it is an especially egregious lie by the public official.

Don't people at some point have a duty higher to the nation and the public than to the official and to the classification law?

If you need a hypotherical, imagine you are a nuclear expert with security clearances, and you find a classified report exposing that President Clinton is being blackmailed for an affair by the Chinese, and is giving them military secrets to pay off the blackmail which you are convinced are going tocost American lives. Imagine further than you cannot fix it withlaw enforcement because it's legal for the president to do this - your only choices are to expose it to the public and violate the classification laws, or nothing.

But try to answer the general issue. In my opinion: leaks for purposes of treason or greed should be dealth with harshly. Leaks for whistleblowing reasons should range from pretty heavy punishment if the behavior is reckless, to giving the person a medal when it serves the public good.

 

[rhatsaruck]

Originally posted by: Craig234

What about whistleblowing?

Exactly. Any reasonable citizen understands the difference between the leaking of the Pentagon Papers and the Valerie Plame incident.

As for PJ, well...

 

[jackschmittusa]

How does "Democratic staffer most likely suspect" belong in the Topic Summary? It a pure guess that this guy did it. So far, there is not a shred of evidence that he was even involved.

Maybe it should have read: Repub revokes Dem staffer's security clearance on a hunch.

 

[Thump553]

Assuming that ProfJohn's theory is correct, I propose that this guy deserve the Congressional Medal of Freedom for helping expose to the AMERICAN public the fraud our elected officials have perpetrated against us.

He or she is certainly more deserving of this medal than Tenent, et al.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
How does "Democratic staffer most likely suspect" belong in the Topic Summary? It a pure guess that this guy did it. So far, there is not a shred of evidence that he was even involved.

Maybe it should have read: Repub revokes Dem staffer's security clearance on a hunch.

Jack the article makes it pretty clear that they suspect a Democratic staffer did the leaking. The thread title is not misleading

I am curious why you would chose this thread to questions to the heading thought, especially with the rash of misleading thread titles we have seen from left minded posters.

"Bush finally admits Iraq similar to Vietnam" except Bush did not such thing, all he said is that a statement comparing the run up in violence to the Tet offensive "could be right" far cry from admitting Vietnam and Iraq are similar

" Is 500,000 dead worth Seven Trillion ($7.2 * 10^12) " not even sure what this post is suppose to suggest, but the 500,000 dead figure is way off the mark, and nearly everyone understands that.

"What the Bush cabal really thinks about Evangelicals" love the use of the war "cabal" in this one.

"Republican senator claims Bush has a "secret plan" to win the war in Iraq." Nice, except the Republican never used the word secret. The "secret plan" line was nothing more than Democratic spin. Notices you posted on that thread, but didn't say anything about the title.

Just about any thread title from Dave, my favorite "the drive for $5 a gallon gas prices"

Your selective outrage is pretty sad in comparison to the outright lies and total misuse of the truth by many members of the board. At least my heading came right out of the article its self. "Where did that selective leak of the National Intelligence Estimate come from? Well, it's beginning to look like it came from a Democratic staffer on the House Intelligence Committee."

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This was terrible! It showed Bush for the liar he is. Can't have the truth out there.