You are one sorry person. You really need to grow up. You'd think at your age you would have gone beyond 2nd grade behavior.
You are one sorry person. You really need to grow up. You'd think at your age you would have gone beyond 2nd grade behavior.
Its great that Obama is doing this. Too bad nobody will be able to afford it since his spending is going to bankrupt us and if he nationalizes healthcare nobody will get advanced care like this anyway.
Says the critic with the IQ of a sea slug. That's the second time in this thread you've attacked me, personally, without a single syllable addressing the OP's topic or what I said in my reply. Since you're obviously memory challenged, I'll repeat what I said that you still haven't addressed:
Try replying to what I actually posted.
Umm... Exactly whose limits do you think the OP was talking about in his title?
And while we're at it, exactly whose "choice to prohibit this" do you think Kadrin meant in his post?
Strange that I see nothing relating to Bush, or his ban on stem cell research, or Obama's action lifting that ban, or any reply to any post regarding those issues in your personal attack on me. :roll:
Pot, meet kettle.
Corn
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Originally posted by: Harvey
Umm... Exactly whose limits do you think the OP was talking about in his title?
And while we're at it, exactly whose "choice to prohibit this" do you think Kadrin meant in his post?
Strange that I see nothing relating to Bush, or his ban on stem cell research, or Obama's action lifting that ban, or any reply to any post regarding those issues in your personal attack on me. :roll:
Pot, meet kettle.
Silly me, I had thought the topic of this discussion was removing limits on federal funding of embryonic stem cell research. Evidently I was wrong and instead the topic was really Bush and his gang committting "treason, murder, torture, crimes against humanity, war crimes and war profiteering and shredded the rights guaranteed to every American citizen by the U.S. Constitution".
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"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
You were saying?
I'm good with this. Although it is distracting us from talking about the real issues, like Rush Limbaugh.
Yep. Silly you. My first post in this thread quoted replied directly to spidey07's post:
My second post in this thread quoted replied directly to Kadarin's post:
Then, there were two extraneous personal attacks by Fear No Evil and two from you, neither of which even attempted to address the OP's topic or any on topic reply in the thread.
Evidently, you were. But since you were man enough to admit it, if you're so concerned about stem cell research, you could always try to post something about it... for a change.
Originally posted by: Harvey
Strange that I see nothing relating to Bush, or his ban on stem cell research, or Obama's action lifting that ban, or any reply to any post regarding those issues in your personal attack on me. :roll:
Pot, meet kettle.
I am pretty sure someone in this thread has made it clear by now that Bush didn't ban stem cell research. In fact, he passed the first bill to even allow federal funding for embyonic stem cell research. The problem with it is he limited that funding in way HE FELT would prevent the harvesting of new stem cell lines from living emryos. Labs were only allowed to use that fed funding to conduct research on the already exisiting lines.
Bush was very strong on his anti-abortion stance, so it should be no surprise he did it that way. It basically removed the potential for tying his name to anything possibly dealing with the destruction of embryos.
embryonic stem cells have the ability to differentiate into ANY tissue. adult stem cells have a limited range, in comparison. ie hemapoeitic cells (adult stem cells) produce blood in our bone marrow, as well as osteoplasts (bone cells) and a couple others. They cannot turn into neurons, or other cells belonging to different tissues in our body.
ORLY???
Bush didn't ban all embryonic stem cell research. He just barred funding it for any stem cell lines not already existing at the time which greatly limited further development in its tracks.
It wasn't suprising. It was just stupid... but that was George W. Bush, top to bottom, beginning to end.
Restrictions in FEDERAL FUNDING, is the key. As I said, in response to "Strange that I see nothing relating to Bush, or his ban on stem cell research, or Obama's action lifting that ban", he didn't ban stem cell research.
Furthermore, I think it is quite a jump to conclude the limits on federal funding greatly limited development. There have been great strides made in stem cell research over recent years. Would more fed funding help? Probably. Should it have to rely on it? No, it shouldn't.
hit send early..woops
Corn
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Originally posted by: Harvey
Yep. Silly you. My first post in this thread quoted replied directly to spidey07's post:
My second post in this thread quoted replied directly to Kadarin's post:
Then, there were two extraneous personal attacks by Fear No Evil and two from you, neither of which even attempted to address the OP's topic or any on topic reply in the thread.
Evidently, you were. But since you were man enough to admit it, if you're so concerned about stem cell research, you could always try to post something about it... for a change.
Go ahead and continue to justify yourself derailing the thread if you must. It doesn't change the fact that you did. As AFMatt has already pointed out, your postings on this topic have been show to be near complete faslehoods and without correction give the false impression that Bush banned embryonic stem cell research. When called out on it, you further misrepresented what Bush did. Wow, thanks for your contribution to the topic Harvey.
Oh, and allow me to pull from your playbook and parse your words too:
thats already enough reason for the fed to supports it.
infrastructure spending on technological advancement in the field of science is a aboslute necessity for our society.
It's nice that you finally got back at least close to the topic, but in a word, BULLSHIT! Aside from the few remaining Bushwhacko apologist tards, most people are aware that the verbal shorthand stating that he "banned stem cell research" refers to the fact that he placed sever restrictions on Federal funding for embryonic stem cell research to the point where few research projects were able to continue and then only because they were privately funded.
That is just the general construction among sentient individuals and throughout the news media. There are other sources for stem cells, but embryonic stem cell research is still the most promising and the most advanced, at least for now. If you're still a bit slow, I'll make it a little easier for you.
ABC News reports
From the New York Times"
The LA Times reports:
And just so you won't feel completely ignored, even Faux News refers to Bush's actions as a "ban" on stem cell funding:
If your problem is that I wasn't spefic about those details, now I have done so. It shouldn't be necessary to burden every post with excessive details and definitions that have already been noted and understood in a thread... unless, of course, your purpose is to derail the thread with some irrelevant, extraneous nit picking as way to distract from the issue or to attack those with whom you disagree. :roll:
You might want to give Obama your crystal ball. So many of you P&Ners seem to know exactly how the future will unfold and conveniently forget when it unfolds differently.
halik
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Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Originally posted by: spidey07
Don't get me wrong. I'm all for stem cell research and any other medical research. But not with gubment money. From the article -
"Work didn't stop. Indeed, it advanced enough that this summer, the private Geron Corp. will begin the world's first study of a treatment using human embryonic stem cells, in people who recently suffered a spinal cord injury. "
<cue up Christopher Reed breaking open fetuses and drinking the stem cells>
NIH/NSF funds more basic science research which helps to understand these cells a lot better. Private research is more concerned about therapeutic advancements. Very rarely will you see a private firm fund basic science research.
They work in concert, not against each other.
Also Econ101. Medical research is generally a public good as such it will be underproduced by the free market (market failure). It is the job of the government to fix and prevent market failures.
It goes along the lines of defense, law enforcement, clean environment - it's the job of government to provide these goods, because the free market wouldn't due to the free rider problem.
Originally posted by: AFMatt
Originally posted by: Harvey
Strange that I see nothing relating to Bush, or his ban on stem cell research, or Obama's action lifting that ban, or any reply to any post regarding those issues in your personal attack on me. :roll:
Pot, meet kettle.
I am pretty sure someone in this thread has made it clear by now that Bush didn't ban stem cell research. In fact, he passed the first bill to even allow federal funding for embyonic stem cell research. The problem with it is he limited that funding in way HE FELT would prevent the harvesting of new stem cell lines from living emryos. Labs were only allowed to use that fed funding to conduct research on the already exisiting lines.
Bush was very strong on his anti-abortion stance, so it should be no surprise he did it that way. It basically removed the potential for tying his name to anything possibly dealing with the destruction of embryos.
BS excuse. What happened to the embryos when they were thrown away unused?
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A far more significant move than it originally appeared. NPR had a feature a week or two back with a professor from Harvard who runs one of the very few non-federally funded stem cell research labs in the US. As that professor pointed out, the real dificulty and expense is that they could not use ANY equipment that ever had any federal funding. They had to have seperate microscopes, etc. instead of using the existing ones.
Hopefully the American Taliban never again gains the power it had in our government over the last eight years, and hopefully losing those eight years (plus whatever time it takes to catch up) will not permanently cripple American medical science.
Hopefully the American Taliban never again gains the power it had in our government over the last eight years, and hopefully losing those eight years (plus whatever time it takes to catch up) will not permanently cripple American medical science.
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