Source, justice department unlikley to prosecute over torture.

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Corn
I posted the following in another discussion, but I'll repeat it here because I'm a dick.

I believe I predicted some months back that no prosecution of Bush would ever take place. Anyone who suggests that the Obama and his Justice Dept is too busy to prosectute what most of the liberal morons believe to be a slam dunk case is as absurd as it is amusing. Obama is not going to prosecute because he's gonna torture if he hasn't already done so. I'm sure he's already regretting the release of the so-called torture memos because even though he's a lefty, he's not a complete idiot. He knows he's a 1 term President and payback is a bitch.

Silly liberals.

The only torture Obama will be dishing out is winning a second term.

I'll enjoy watching you crumble.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

In other words they can't win because they most likely can't make a criminal case out of it.

"serious lapses of judgment" is a long ways from criminal intent.

In other words, you can stop trying to spin this because, as usual, you don't know jack shit, but it isn't stopping you from blowing your typical smoke and bullshit.

The report is from the Office of Professional Responsibility, which is an internal ethics unit within the Justice Department, and the scope of its mandate and authority is very narrow. Their investigations are limited to determining whether the actions of the attorneys are within ethical guidelines, and this report is the beginning, not the end of the trail of disclosures.

The Office of Professional Responsibility is specifically NOT charged with deteriming whether their actions violate criminal statutes. That is the job of Attorney General Holder who has stated that he will consider the facts disclosed in the report and whether they constitute or support allegations of criminality by these attorneys or anyone else within the Bush administration.

The same facts can also be considered in any investigations by any Congressional committees who are likely to investigate the charges of torture against the Bushwhackos. Those investigations would be independent of the Attorney General's office, but the A.G. could use any further evidence the committees find that support criminal charges.

This is NOT over.

 

[OCGuy]

Of course they wont. There are too many people on both sides of the aisle that had knowledge of what was going on.

 

[Xellos2099]

The enemy combatant we capture are technically not POW since they do not belong to any sovereign nation's army. Thus, the Geneva convention ruling on the treatment of the POW doesn't really apply here.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099

The enemy combatant we capture are technically not POW since they do not belong to any sovereign nation's army. Thus, the Geneva convention ruling on the treatment of the POW doesn't really apply here.

Your conclusion does NOT follow from your premise. It just happens to be one of the lame excuses floated by the lying POS Bushwhacko traitors, torturers and murderers who hijacked our Contitution and tore it and us a new asshole for eight years. :thumbsdown: :|

 

[Beattie]

Wow, not prosecuting someone that didn't do anything illegal? crazy.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Beattie

Wow, not prosecuting someone that didn't do anything illegal? crazy.

Who are you saying "didn't do anything illegal?" If you're talking about the attorneys who are the subject of this report, the Office of Professional Responsibility is supposed to address ONLY whether their actions violate ethical guidelines. It has no authority to recommend whether specific criminal charges should be filed.

This is NOT over.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Beattie

Wow, not prosecuting someone that didn't do anything illegal? crazy.

Who are you saying "didn't do anything illegal?" If you're talking about the attorneys who are the subject of this report, the Office of Professional Responsibility is supposed to address ONLY whether their actions violate ethical guidelines. It has no authority to recommend whether specific criminal charges should be filed.

This is NOT over.

lol it was over a long time ago. all there is going to be is some threats for grandstandign ove rit.

but thats it.


oh sure some other country might try something but the people who should be charged with anything (bush, cheney and not the lawyers etc) are going to be fine.

obama is a lot of things. a idiot is not one. to try to push this to far is just going to cause mor problems for him then anything else. he has other battles he wants to fight then punish bush and company

 

[Lemon law]

We really have two possibilities, (1) some entity within the USA may or may not criminally prosecute some within GWB&co with the probability of criminal prosecution rising as more information comes in, and (2) some foreign entity deciding the prosecute some within GWB&co for crimes with the probability rising
not only as more information comes out but also rising if the USA fails to act.

Italy is already prosecuting some CIA figures for the crimes of rendition on Italian soil.

And a request for the extradition of certain GWB&co officials from a foreign entity will really cause the shit to hit the fan.

Harvey is right, this issue is far from over.

 

[Robor]

Disappointing... :-/

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
We really have two possibilities, (1) some entity within the USA may or may not criminally prosecute some within GWB&co with the probability of criminal prosecution rising as more information comes in, and (2) some foreign entity deciding the prosecute some within GWB&co for crimes with the probability rising
not only as more information comes out but also rising if the USA fails to act.

Italy is already prosecuting some CIA figures for the crimes of rendition on Italian soil.

And a request for the extradition of certain GWB&co officials from a foreign entity will really cause the shit to hit the fan.

Harvey is right, this issue is far from over.

Huh? We arent extraditing anyone. They are show trials.

 

[Lemon law]

I wonder what OCguy's point is in saying, "Huh? We arent extraditing anyone. They are show trials."

Wrong again, foreign entities have yet to send the USA that indictment for GWB&co torture officials YET.

When and if that happens, it totally changes the situation. As I said earlier, I would happily send our rascals to some foreign entity to be tried.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Did anyone actually believe this was ever going to end up in the courts?

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Did anyone actually believe this was ever going to end up in the courts?

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In a word YES.

Any fool who says no self admits that only raw and unchecked might makes right. Thereby self admitting anything, any depravity should be permitted and there ain't nothing we can do about it.

I for one say piss on that, it only leads to inhumanity and futility.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I wonder what OCguy's point is in saying, "Huh? We arent extraditing anyone. They are show trials."

Wrong again, foreign entities have yet to send the USA that indictment for GWB&co torture officials YET.

When and if that happens, it totally changes the situation. As I said earlier, I would happily send our rascals to some foreign entity to be tried.

Sorry, but no President past or present will be extradited. It is not going to happen.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I wonder what OCguy's point is in saying, "Huh? We arent extraditing anyone. They are show trials."

Wrong again, foreign entities have yet to send the USA that indictment for GWB&co torture officials YET.

When and if that happens, it totally changes the situation. As I said earlier, I would happily send our rascals to some foreign entity to be tried.

Sorry, but no President past or present will be extradited. It is not going to happen.

IF he's called to trial, he doen't have to be extradited, one foot inside of Canada and he's going to trial.

The international court doesn't really care about if you extradite him or not, if he is wanted he will eventually be brought forth, just like the Nazi prison guard that the US doesn't really want to extradite.

I have a feeling that if it would happen, the US would extradite him or lose all support in all areas and be sanctioned, you know, the game the US plays so well can be used against the US too.

 

[railer]

common sense prevails over idiotic partisan politics.


good, now let's move on.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I wonder what OCguy's point is in saying, "Huh? We arent extraditing anyone. They are show trials."

Wrong again, foreign entities have yet to send the USA that indictment for GWB&co torture officials YET.

When and if that happens, it totally changes the situation. As I said earlier, I would happily send our rascals to some foreign entity to be tried.

Sorry, but no President past or present will be extradited. It is not going to happen.

IF he's called to trial, he doen't have to be extradited, one foot inside of Canada and he's going to trial.

The international court doesn't really care about if you extradite him or not, if he is wanted he will eventually be brought forth, just like the Nazi prison guard that the US doesn't really want to extradite.

I have a feeling that if it would happen, the US would extradite him or lose all support in all areas and be sanctioned, you know, the game the US plays so well can be used against the US too.

Sorry John, but I know the lay of the land here better than you. If someone wants him they're going to have to fight us. As far as sanctions, just who is going to do it? China abuses tens of thousands per year and no one dares tell them to stop. Just who is going to do to the US what they fear to do to China?

Neither Russia nor China has an interest in this. If Spain wants to do so, we'll survive. Doesn't mean I think he should be held blameless, but from a practical POV it isn't going to happen if it doesn't happen here, and I just don't see it.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I wonder what OCguy's point is in saying, "Huh? We arent extraditing anyone. They are show trials."

Wrong again, foreign entities have yet to send the USA that indictment for GWB&co torture officials YET.

When and if that happens, it totally changes the situation. As I said earlier, I would happily send our rascals to some foreign entity to be tried.

Sorry, but no President past or present will be extradited. It is not going to happen.

IF he's called to trial, he doen't have to be extradited, one foot inside of Canada and he's going to trial.

The international court doesn't really care about if you extradite him or not, if he is wanted he will eventually be brought forth, just like the Nazi prison guard that the US doesn't really want to extradite.

I have a feeling that if it would happen, the US would extradite him or lose all support in all areas and be sanctioned, you know, the game the US plays so well can be used against the US too.

What country is actually going to look at the United States and say "hand us one of your former Presidents, or we're going to impose economic sanctions on you"? Be realistic, what country will actually do that.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

What country is actually going to look at the United States and say "hand us one of your former Presidents, or we're going to impose economic sanctions on you"? Be realistic, what country will actually do that.

They wouldn't have to impose sanctions. If Spain indicts any of the Bushwhackos for war crimes, torture, etc., they could be arrested in any nation that is a member of the EU. The could also be cited by the International Court of Justice, in which case, any country that is a signatory to the Geneva Conventions is mandated to turn them over for trial at the Hague.

If American administration officials and political representatives are too weak willed to call the Bushwhackos out as the criminals they are, I hope the rest of the planet will stand up and hold them accountable for their crimes.

 

[waggy]

Do you really think that IF indicted they are going to leave the country? really?

NOBODY is going ptu sanctions on the US all it will do is hurt them and not the US.

 

[bozack]

glad to see the right choice is being made.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

What country is actually going to look at the United States and say "hand us one of your former Presidents, or we're going to impose economic sanctions on you"? Be realistic, what country will actually do that.

They wouldn't have to impose sanctions. If Spain indicts any of the Bushwhackos for war crimes, torture, etc., they could be arrested in any nation that is a member of the EU. The could also be cited by the International Court of Justice, in which case, any country that is a signatory to the Geneva Conventions is mandated to turn them over for trial at the Hague.

If American administration officials and political representatives are too weak willed to call the Bushwhackos out as the criminals they are, I hope the rest of the planet will stand up and hold them accountable for their crimes.

Keep dreaming. The best that might happen is that Bybee or Yoo might be sanctioned. Even that is politically motivated bullshit.

It's like Fitzmass all over again. Except you won't even get a Scooter this time.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I wonder what OCguy's point is in saying, "Huh? We arent extraditing anyone. They are show trials."

Wrong again, foreign entities have yet to send the USA that indictment for GWB&co torture officials YET.

When and if that happens, it totally changes the situation. As I said earlier, I would happily send our rascals to some foreign entity to be tried.

You really think Obama is going to turn a former President over to another country for a trial???

Are you that stupid??

What is going to stop the guy who follows Obama from doing the same to Obama??

Give Obama a few year in office and he'll come to his senses and let this quietly go away. The first time he is forced to order some action that walks the line between legal and illegal he'll change his way of thinking.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Harvey
They wouldn't have to impose sanctions. If Spain indicts any of the Bushwhackos for war crimes, torture, etc., they could be arrested in any nation that is a member of the EU. The could also be cited by the International Court of Justice, in which case, any country that is a signatory to the Geneva Conventions is mandated to turn them over for trial at the Hague.

If American administration officials and political representatives are too weak willed to call the Bushwhackos out as the criminals they are, I hope the rest of the planet will stand up and hold them accountable for their crimes.

God man!! Take your head out of your ass and use it for once.

Do you really think any country is going to allow a former President of the United States to be arrested on their soil?? Are you that fucking stupid??

So Bush visits France for the 70th anniversary of D-Day and some police office is just going to walk up to him and say "You are under arrest" and the Secret Service is going to let this happen???

Or the President of France is going to sit back and allow this to happen??

Are you out of your fucking mind!!! Think for once!!!!!


BTW Obama knows full well that anything that happened to Bush/ Cheney could happen to him in the future. That more than anything ensures that no foreign country or organization is going to take ANY type of action against Bush, Cheney etc.