Originally posted by: lupi
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
Originally posted by: lupi
Originally posted by: magomago
This issue of 'liberal' vs 'conservative' imo is really stupid. The real question should be, "Are they qualified and can they execute the job of the supreme court". Period. FWIW, it isn't just the conservatives saying it, we saw the same thing with the democrats
what's her record with cases going to the supreme court.
Better than the average
yeah, that's why this was a headline Sotomayor reversed 60% by high court before she had another overturned in the hartford case.
Originally posted by: Lemon law
The last time I remember a republican President appointing a liberal SCOTUS justice was Earl Warren.
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: senseamp
Who were the 31 racists?
Exactly! Right after the vote, they probably went and burned a few crosses.
Impeach them all.
I knew there were only a couple idiots who would bring up the 31 who didnt vote for her were racists. Senseamp was on the list right behind Jokus.
The 31 were atrocious - they voted against a highly qualified candidate who I'm not crazy about politically, but recognize is well-qualified.
It appears to me that these 31 were doing nothing but playing politics, by trying to manufacture one more 'cause' they 'stood against Obama on'.
I doubt they were racist much. The kind of people we're talking about are more about crass power and money than about something like racism.
They'll pander to the Hispanics, they'll pander to the racists, they'll pander to the anti-racists, it's not about any of the issues as much as the politics, it seems.
Similarly, the parrots here who repeat the talking about about her one speech comment are confronted with the facts of her voting record and not one I've seen answers them.
Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: senseamp
Who were the 31 racists?
Uh, I assume that's sarcasm.
Originally posted by: herkulease
Originally posted by: Lemon law
I still have not found out which republicans voted for Sotomayer, the total count is 99 votes with only the very ill Ted Kennedy not voting.
So far I know the retiring Mel Marinez and Lindey Graham as affirmative republican votes, but I do not know what other Republicans voted for Sotomayer.
the other 7 are
Alexander, Bond, Collins, Grassley,Gregg, Lugar, and Voinocich
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
Originally posted by: lupi
Originally posted by: magomago
This issue of 'liberal' vs 'conservative' imo is really stupid. The real question should be, "Are they qualified and can they execute the job of the supreme court". Period. FWIW, it isn't just the conservatives saying it, we saw the same thing with the democrats
what's her record with cases going to the supreme court.
Better than the average
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: senseamp
Who were the 31 racists?
Good Senators that saw that she is clearly a racists. The only racist is anybody that voted for her as that means they agree with her racists views.
Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
Originally posted by: lupi
Originally posted by: magomago
This issue of 'liberal' vs 'conservative' imo is really stupid. The real question should be, "Are they qualified and can they execute the job of the supreme court". Period. FWIW, it isn't just the conservatives saying it, we saw the same thing with the democrats
what's her record with cases going to the supreme court.
Better than the average
If 60% of your rulings being overturned by the supreme court is average.. then so be it.
Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
Originally posted by: lupi
Originally posted by: magomago
This issue of 'liberal' vs 'conservative' imo is really stupid. The real question should be, "Are they qualified and can they execute the job of the supreme court". Period. FWIW, it isn't just the conservatives saying it, we saw the same thing with the democrats
what's her record with cases going to the supreme court.
Better than the average
If 60% of your rulings being overturned by the supreme court is average.. then so be it.
Originally posted by: Patranus
Huh, more republicans voter for her than Democrats voted for Alito...Only 4 Democtrats voted for him.
But hey, evil Republicans were trying to discriminate against her....right?
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: senseamp
Who were the 31 racists?
Exactly! Right after the vote, they probably went and burned a few crosses.
Impeach them all.
I knew there were only a couple idiots who would bring up the 31 who didnt vote for her were racists. Senseamp was on the list right behind Jokus.
The 31 were atrocious - they voted against a highly qualified candidate who I'm not crazy about politically, but recognize is well-qualified.
It appears to me that these 31 were doing nothing but playing politics, by trying to manufacture one more 'cause' they 'stood against Obama on'.
I doubt they were racist much. The kind of people we're talking about are more about crass power and money than about something like racism.
They'll pander to the Hispanics, they'll pander to the racists, they'll pander to the anti-racists, it's not about any of the issues as much as the politics, it seems.
Similarly, the parrots here who repeat the talking about about her one speech comment are confronted with the facts of her voting record and not one I've seen answers them.
All good points, and all equally true when a GOP president appoints a qualified-yet-conservative justice and the Dems pitch a fit, but of course Craig will never admit to that. 42 Senators, most of them Dems, voted against Alito, and 22 voted against Roberts, all Dems this time. In both cases, the Dems were just playing politics as well.
Originally posted by: Craig234
I admit to that. The disagreement is that you call radical Federalist Society agenda judges 'good'., or your phrase 'qualitfied yet conservative'.
There are plenty of 'qualified yet conservative' judges I would oppose nominating, but admit are qualified and deserve a vote of approval under a Republican president.
Unfortunately, Republicans aren't too good lately at appointing good, 'conservative' judges.
A first filter is they not be members of The Federalist Society - not even former *officials* who 'forgot' they had any connection, like Roberts.
From there, just be qualified, not a radical out to undermine the constitution. That's the problem with Bork - an early Federalist Society nominee with very radical views. I'd go back before that to Nixon, but Nixon's appointees included two attempts to appoint racists who were turned down for good reason, and the atrocious Lewis Powell, a father of the modern sellout Republican party, who wrote the infamous 'Powell Doctrine' months before he was appointed with a plan for the corpotocracy to win over the public opinion.
Far-right Republicans used to be little more politically viable than Libertarians today, but they did quite well for themselves, and quite badly for the country, after that.
But go back before that, and to two other Nixon ppointees, Burger and Blackmun, they were in that categoty of qualified conservative judges without a radical agenda.
So, if you are talking about 'qualified but conservative', you have what you say you would not get. But if about radical Federalist Society judges, you are playing word games.
Originally posted by: FerrelGeek
News Flash - Retiring liberal judge replaced by liberal judge.
Yawn.
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: FerrelGeek
News Flash - Retiring liberal judge replaced by liberal judge.
Yawn.
Replaced by a racist liberal judge.
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: Craig234
I admit to that. The disagreement is that you call radical Federalist Society agenda judges 'good'., or your phrase 'qualitfied yet conservative'.
There are plenty of 'qualified yet conservative' judges I would oppose nominating, but admit are qualified and deserve a vote of approval under a Republican president.
Unfortunately, Republicans aren't too good lately at appointing good, 'conservative' judges.
A first filter is they not be members of The Federalist Society - not even former *officials* who 'forgot' they had any connection, like Roberts.
From there, just be qualified, not a radical out to undermine the constitution. That's the problem with Bork - an early Federalist Society nominee with very radical views. I'd go back before that to Nixon, but Nixon's appointees included two attempts to appoint racists who were turned down for good reason, and the atrocious Lewis Powell, a father of the modern sellout Republican party, who wrote the infamous 'Powell Doctrine' months before he was appointed with a plan for the corpotocracy to win over the public opinion.
Far-right Republicans used to be little more politically viable than Libertarians today, but they did quite well for themselves, and quite badly for the country, after that.
But go back before that, and to two other Nixon ppointees, Burger and Blackmun, they were in that categoty of qualified conservative judges without a radical agenda.
So, if you are talking about 'qualified but conservative', you have what you say you would not get. But if about radical Federalist Society judges, you are playing word games.
An appointee is not radical just because you say so. For example, Bork was endorsed by the ABA with its highest rating when he was nominated, before Ted Kennedy and others succeeded with their smear campaign against him. Bork should've been approved, just like Clinton's and Obama's nominees should've been (and were).
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Originally posted by: Patranus
LOL
I thought the fist Hispanic judge on the Supreme Court was Benjamin N. Cardozo?
Nice to see the Democrats play the race card again.
Originally posted by: Lemon law
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Originally posted by: Patranus
LOL
I thought the fist Hispanic judge on the Supreme Court was Benjamin N. Cardozo?
Nice to see the Democrats play the race card again.
Dimorats and Republirats have played the race card so many damn times in the past
230 years, is it really worth getting Patranus all worked up yet again?
In the grand scheme of things its really really hard to portray Sotomayer as a racist or a radical.
But to racist republicans, anything is fair in love, war, and politics.
And cheer up Petranus, your hero, Chief Justice Roberts administered the oath of office to Sonya today.
The fight is over, Sotomayer is now the newest minted member of SCOTUS. All the moaning and groaning in the world will do nothing to change facts.
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Originally posted by: FerrelGeek
News Flash - Retiring liberal judge replaced by liberal judge.
Yawn.
Yeah, that liberal judge appointed by a Republican..
If anything, that shows that common sense legal theory has a liberal bias.
It shows GOP presidents don't have a litmus test. Plenty of liberal judges have been GOP appointees. I can't remember the last time a Dem president picked a conservative justice.
Ah yes, and I suppose Clarence Thomas and Alberto Gonzales were nominated and race had nothing to do with their nomination? Whatever else I may think of Clarence Thomas, he was far more qualified than Gonzales to be on the SCOTUS.it always seems like the Dems are the ones who keep pushing race into the picture