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Sorry, you need to donate for good politics.

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Craig234

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We need to get money out of politics. Thanks to the corrupt Republicans getting the 5 Justices on the court who protected that money, we need a constitutional amendment.

Until that happens, while money is in politics, you need to donate for good politics. The people need to.

You need to donate for good jourmalism.

I'm pissed. I spent no money at the local pizza place last night, and they did NOT send a pizza. That's outrageous. I expect them to send a pizza for free.

OK, not let's try the same fine logic on other issues:

I didn't get honest good journalism tailored to MY interests for free.

I *could* donate to, say, Democracy Now! that is the product I want.

I didn't get politicians who represent MY interests for free.

I *could* donate to the campaigns I'd like to elect.

Why are these things any different than the pizza? The fact is, most of America's wealth lies in the hands of the special interests who WILL donate it to get THEIR interests.

Media will be dominated by people who want to make the most money off you - any catering to your interests is only for the purpose of increasing their profit.

Politicians will be dominated by people who get the special interest donations - however much they say things to get your vote.

It's that simple, really. When the elections are a product for sale, the high payer gets them. Same for the media.

If the people support good honest media, if the people support the campaigns of good policitians, enough, they can get them.

But they have to realize that the notion of 'we shouldn't HAVE to pay for these things' isn't correct when they are for sale. And it's very expensive to have others own them.

I just made a donation to Democracy Now!, after seeing more of their very good journalims I want available. It needs to be funded to be available.

I heard a statistic that only 0.26% of voters donate $200 to political campaigns. So those who donate the 'real money' have extreme influence, and that's very few people.

On the other hand, you can see countless cases where $1 million in donations gets hundreds of millions back in benefits - at the expense of the taxpayers.

The average citizen should understand citizens need to think differently about donating and donate to the media and candidates who are fighting the corrupt interests.

Otherwise, our country is not a real democracy, only a facade as the people do elect their choice, but from a slate limited to those who are selected by special interests.

They get a government who is opposing their interests when they're at odds with the interests who pay the bills.

How do we change the public opinion convincing more people to pay for the politicians and media they want?

Free pizzas, free journalism in the public interests, and free politicians in the public interest don't show up much.

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When one stops automatically blaming the other side and implying that their side can do no wrong.

Then money becomes less important and the responding fo the will of the people is what a politician will listen to.
 
EagleKeeper said:
When one stops automatically blaming the other side and implying that their side can do no wrong.

Then money becomes less important and the responding fo the will of the people is what a politician will listen to.
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Your response has nothing to do with the issue of money, and is ignorant of the fact of the role of money - the corrupt agenda it has and the amout it dominates elections.
 
EagleKeeper said:
When one stops automatically blaming the other side and implying that their side can do no wrong.

Then money becomes less important and the responding fo the will of the people is what a politician will listen to.
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this. with staunch, blind supporters, the politicians laugh all the way to the bank while trampling on your civil liberties.

the only 'us vs them' mentalities these people care about are themselves and their elite backers vs everyone else who is an expendable piece of garbage to them.
 
So...we need to keep money out of politics but we need to put money into politics in order to do so? lol
 
Why not take the powers away from the government that lobbyists love?

The people who support these amendments to ban campaign contributions don't seem to realize the immorality of the government forcing, at gunpoint, people to give something for nothing.

Imagine how much richer my dad would be if he didn't have to pay for those dickheads cops and for a damn empire that makes us less safe. No one should be forced to pay for anyone's protection. Fuck having a standing military and fuck the police.
 
Did you guys even read it?

Craig is saying donate to Ron Paul, since he isn't one of the politicians that mega corporations, and corrupt media, and corrupt government etc want.
 
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I was responding to the poster above me, not to the OP. 😉
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Ah ok. Whew. Bolded it already, someone else already did give me a reason.

Actually the lobbying is a bit tricky.

It's not as simple as 'ban lobbying', because ultimately 'petitioning the government' is and should be a right of the people - which is a form of 'lobbying'.

And it's not as if the lobbyists blatantly bribe the Congressmen for specific votes.

It needs a more nuanced solution at ending inappropriate domination by money.

Even the biggest and most corrupt interests deserve some ability to have input to the government - the issue is that the lawmakers should weigh the public interest more.

I don't really see an alternative now but the constitutional amendment to declare corporations are not people with constitutional right, so the money can be regulated.

The people should be the 800 pound gorilla dominating the priorities of Congress, instead they're a tiny fraction of the money and therefore the influence.

This has been almost a silent war by the wealthy interests, hardly mentioned in media.
 
SilthDraeth said:
Did you guys even read it?

Craig is saying donate to Ron Paul, since he isn't one of the politicians that mega corporations, and corrupt media, and corrupt government etc want.
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That is an outstanding reason to vote for Ron Paul.

His absurdly radical harmful policy preferences are a counter-reason not to.
 
SilthDraeth said:
Did you guys even read it?

Craig is saying donate to Ron Paul, since he isn't one of the politicians that mega corporations, and corrupt media, and corrupt government etc want.
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He is saying anyone who does not vote for the angelic democrats is actually voting for those darned corrupt republicans.
 
Craig234 said:
EagleKeeper said:
When one stops automatically blaming the other side and implying that their side can do no wrong.

Then money becomes less important and the responding of the will of the people is what a politician will listen to.
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Your response has nothing to do with the issue of money, and is ignorant of the fact of the role of money - the corrupt agenda it has and the amout it dominates elections.
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You choose to automatically blame the Republicans for all the evil.

As a result those that think the Republicans are not evil and possibly that the Dems are evil; will attempt to counteract the impression. Money buys a lot of pull; bigotry needs to be counteracted strongly.

Maybe by trying to debate the issues and not be holier than thou; the politicians will listen.
but is you choose to brand them each will respond in kind.

Now if you can demonstrated that there is no $$ flowing to the Democrats from your corporate enemies; then stand on the soapbox and I will willingly applaud.
Otherwise you are being a hypocrite and a mouthpiece; forgetting to look in the mirror.
 
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Craig is correct that its money that is corrupting politics. But do we need to remove lobbyists as the solution?

Maybe we voters need a basic Grover Norquest type, who both basically track who got the money and which politician sold his soul to a lobbyist and voted against the public interests.

Of course we have such organizations, some honest and others false flonts. The problem is the American sheeple do not pay enough attention to the honest ones. But if the American voter did their homework and had zero tolerance for politicians who sold their souls to a lobbyist, such politicians would simply not get reelected.
 
EagleKeeper said:
You choose to automatically blame the Republicans for all the evil.

As a result those that think the Republicans are not evil and possibly that the Dems are evil; will attempt to counteract the impression. Money buys a lot of pull; bigotry needs to be counteracted strongly.
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No, I don't. I blamed Republicans for the Supreme Court Justices protecting the money.
 
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Lemon law said:
Craig is correct that its money that is corrupting politics. But do we need to remove lobbyists as the solution?

Maybe we voters need a basic Grover Norquest type, who both basically track who got the money and which politician sold his soul to a lobbyist and voted against the public interests.

Of course we have such organizations, some honest and others false flonts. The problem is the American sheeple do not pay enough attention to the honest ones. But if the American voter did their homework and had zero tolerance for politicians who sold their souls to a lobbyist, such politicians would simply not get reelected.
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You're right, but we need to consider the practical issue that if people aren't going to be 'diligent citizens', we need to consider other options.

Our goal is to have democracy work, not to simply have excuses that blame the citizens and a terribly broken democracy.
 
SilthDraeth said:
Did you guys even read it?

Craig is saying donate to Ron Paul, since he isn't one of the politicians that mega corporations, and corrupt media, and corrupt government etc want.
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me and SO have done it three times each so far this year.

im glad RP has craig's support.
 
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